*United Healthcare CEO killed

[Lotus-eater]

50 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

He’s made an open plea meaning no plea deal for a lighter sentence. I understand this was done to head off a state prosecution and the possibility of consecutive sentences. We’ll see how that goes. 

Quashing the NY murder case also means that the defense only has to seek sentencing leniency from a federal judge rather than facing a separate, mandatory life sentence for a state murder conviction, and he will end up in federal prison where conditions are generally better than state prison.

[Luv2play]

On 8/14/2026 at 11:07 PM, Lotus-eater said:

Quashing the NY murder case also means that the defense only has to seek sentencing leniency from a federal judge rather than facing a separate, mandatory life sentence for a state murder conviction, and he will end up in federal prison where conditions are generally better than state prison.

It still must be tough contemplating the fact that the next and best quarter of a century of your life is going to be behind bars.

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2 hours ago, Luv2play said:

It still must be tough contemplating the fact that the next and best quarter of a century of your life is going to be behind bars.

Probably not as tough as it is for Brian Thomson, now rotting in his grave. And probably not as tough as it is for his 2 children, who will now go through the rest of their lives without their father thanks to Mangione.
Luigi Mangione had a privileged life, born into a rich family and with classic good looks. He grew up in a wealthy, leafy Maryland suburb, went to prep schools and an Ivy League university. Rather than be a productive member of society, he chose to stalk and target an innocent man because of some perceived grievance. He shot him multiple times in the back, killing him. It was a cold-blooded murder.
There should be a picture of Mangione in every on-line and paperback dictionary under the definition of "coward".
It is sickening to watch his supporters, and especially his fangirls shout out their love and affection for this lowlife.
Since the death penalty was taken off the table, one can only hope that he will not be released until he is a very old man.

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[wsc]

4 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Probably not as tough as it is for Brian Thomson, now rotting in his grave. And probably not as tough as it is for his 2 children, who will now go through the rest of their lives without their father thanks to Mangione.
Luigi Mangione had a privileged life, born into a rich family and with classic good looks. He grew up in a wealthy, leafy Maryland suburb, went to prep schools and an Ivy League university. Rather than be a productive member of society, he chose to stalk and target an innocent man because of some perceived grievance. He shot him multiple times in the back, killing him. It was a cold-blooded murder.
There should be a picture of Mangione in every on-line and paperback dictionary under the definition of "coward".
It is sickening to watch his supporters, and especially his fangirls shout out their love and affection for this lowlife.
Since the death penalty was taken off the table, one can only hope that he will not be released until he is a very old man.

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If you continue to keep your feelings all bottled up, they will just eat away at you.

[Luv2play]

I’m not going to argue that Mangione  was right in killing Brian Thomson. I am also not going to portray Thomson as a sympathetic character in terms of his record at the helm of his company. The fact that his killing provoked a widespread reaction in the American population against health insurers like Thomson is telling.

As for his kids, they are as privileged as Mangione and live off the misfortune of many of their late father’s clients. And like most kids, they couldn’t reasonably expect to live the rest of their lives with their father. That’s not the way Mother Nature works. 

[BSR]

1 hour ago, Luv2play said:

As for his kids, they are as privileged as Mangione and live off the misfortune of many of their late father’s clients. And like most kids, they couldn’t reasonably expect to live the rest of their lives with their father. That’s not the way Mother Nature works. 

Wow, I think you went way overboard here.  First, kids don’t pick their parents, nor are they responsible for their father’s misdeeds.  A debate about what exactly Brian Thompson was guilty of could run a hundred pages in the old P&R category.

Even a 70yo whose 95yo father dies suffers pain, grief, and loss — all the more so for a 16yo and 19yo.  I’ll give Brian Thompson the benefit of a doubt and assume he was a decent father.  Even if he were a less than great father, he was the only one those two teenagers had.

Dismissing the trauma they must have suffered and still suffer from their father’s murder because they’re privileged and because, suck it up, most kids outlive their father … sorry, that is just insufferably harsh.

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[+ Travis69]

For the right amount of money I am sure he can get a pardon.

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, Travis69 said:

For the right amount of money I am sure he can get a pardon.

Plenty of examples of that in recent years! 

[Luv2play]

I’m not familiar enough with US federal criminal cases about the sentencing process. Will the family have the right to give victim impact statements?
If so, it will be instructive to see if the immediate family members choose to do so. 

[BuffaloKyle]

12 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

I’m not familiar enough with US federal criminal cases about the sentencing process. Will the family have the right to give victim impact statements?
If so, it will be instructive to see if the immediate family members choose to do so. 

Yes. Can be letters submitted to the judge beforehand or given orally at the sentencing.

Edited Sunday at 10:08 PM by BuffaloKyle

[CuriousByNature]

19 hours ago, Luv2play said:

And like most kids, they couldn’t reasonably expect to live the rest of their lives with their father. That’s not the way Mother Nature works. 

Most kids can reasonably expect a lot more time with their father, and not have him blown away by some cowardly entitled maniac.

[caliguy]

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

30 minutes ago, caliguy said:

And your point is?

a. It is jutifiable to stalk and murder an innocent man if you don't like his company's policies.
b. Ken Kippenstein is an idiot.
c. Both a & b.

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[KeepItReal]

I will never understand how some people's minds work.  When there is a mass shooting and the body count piles up it is all "thoughts and prayers - the poor man has a mental illness". But when a guy in pain from proven medical needs lashes out and shoots one rich guy whose company admits they routinely withhold coverage to people like him...he's a "monster and a maniac".  Don't get me wrong- I am not approving of the actions either of them took, just looking for a little consistency in how we think about these crimes and responses.

[marylander1940]

9 hours ago, caliguy said:

First of all, thank you for sharing this information!

A lot needs to change when it comes to our healthcare system but there's a way to do it by organizing, voting, and putting your money where your mouth is, for instance many Americans have left UnitedHealthcare plans on their own.

 

9 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

And your point is?

a. It is jutifiable to stalk and murder an innocent man if you don't like his company's policies.
b. Ken Kippenstein is an idiot.
c. Both a & b.

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Nobody should suffer violence in the name of achieving a political goal. What Mangione did was a cold-blooded murder of another human being and there's no way to justify that under the premises of any cause.

Again...nobody should be shot in the back for any reason!

I don't understand why some folks on my side of the aisle think Luigi was a hero, he wasn't only wrong but let's always remember we're outgunned by far, WE should be the ones always defending rule of law. If the other side choses behaving like Mangione we're all going be doomed! 

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[caliguy]

43 minutes ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

And your point is?

a. It is jutifiable to stalk and murder an innocent man if you don't like his company's policies.
b. Ken Kippenstein is an idiot.
c. Both a & b.

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Thomson was instrumental in using AI to create a system with a 90% error rate. Innocent or guilty is all relative depending on which side of the Isle you belong to. Also another argument for expanding Medicare. 

 

 

[caliguy]

1 minute ago, marylander1940 said:

First thank you for sharing this information!

A lot needs to change when it comes to our healthcare system but there's a way to do it by organizing, voting, and putting your money where your mouth is, for instance many Americans have left UnitedHealthcare plans on their own.

 

Nobody should suffer violence in the name of achieving a political goal. What Mangione did was a cold-blooded murder of another human being and there's no way to justify that under the premises of any cause.

Again...nobody should be shot in the back for any reason!

I don't understand why some folks on my side of the aisle think Luigi was a hero, he wasn't only wrong but let's always remember we're outgunned by far, WE should be the ones always defending rule of law. If the other side choses behaving like Mangione we're all going be doomed! 

Yep. This may just be the catalyst for change that we need. People are fed up and if anything it shows just how much. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

23 minutes ago, caliguy said:

Thomson was instrumental in using AI to create a system with a 90% error rate. Innocent or guilty is all relative depending on which side of the Isle you belong to. Also another argument for expanding Medicare. 

 

 

"Thomson was instrumental in using AI to create a system with a 90% error rate."
Really? And from where did you dig that fact up? Ken Kippenstein talking points? The same guy who couldn't even spell Thomson?

"Innocent or guilty is all relative depending on which side of the Isle you belong to."
Actually, it's not relative. Mangione pled guilty. He admitted in federal court to the murder,

"Also another argument for expanding Medicare." 
Expansion of Medicare is likely too political to be discussed here on COM. If not, that topic should not be mixed in with a thread about the murder of Brian Thomson. Start a separate thread.
And if you think a tweet by an idiot like Kippenstein or the cold-blooded murder of Brian Thomson is going to spur on your cause, you are sadly mistaken.

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[Luv2play]

5 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

And your point is?

a. It is jutifiable to stalk and murder an innocent man if you don't like his company's policies.
b. Ken Kippenstein is an idiot.
c. Both a & b.

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Those denials led to countless people suffering and dying. It’s easy for a CEO to dictate policies from his desk and fashion them to deny people who are insured clients their access to treatment for life threatening conditions. 
 

My point is there has to be accountability and when the average citizen doesn’t see it happening, then don’t be surprised if someone reacts violently.I’m not advocating vigilantism but when it happens, understand the root causes.
 

As for his kids, spare me the hand wringing. Their father had been legally separated from their mother since 2018 and they lived in separate homes. Who knows how much time they spent with their father. 
 

But young men spend more time with their peers and less with their families. And a high powered executive works long hours at the office and travels a lot if his company is national in scope. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

27 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

Those denials led to countless people suffering and dying. It’s easy for a CEO to dictate policies from his desk and fashion them to deny people who are insured clients their access to treatment for life threatening conditions. 
 

My point is there has to be accountability and when the average citizen doesn’t see it happening, then don’t be surprised if someone reacts violently.I’m not advocating vigilantism but when it happens, understand the root causes.
 

As for his kids, spare me the hand wringing. Their father had been legally separated from their mother since 2018 and they lived in separate homes. Who knows how much time they spent with their father. 
 

But young men spend more time with their peers and less with their families. And a high powered executive works long hours at the office and travels a lot if his company is national in scope. 

All of your wild assumptions "trying to understand the root causes" of Brian Thomson's murder are mind-boggling.
First of all, you know nothing about his relationship with his children. He lived separately from his wife, but bought a home less than a mile away so he could be involved in his kids' lives. According to his estranged wife, "Brian was an incredible loving father to our two sons and will be greatly missed."  That sentiment was also echoed by Thomson's sister-in-law. Do you know more about his relationship with his children than his estranged wife and sister-in-law?
Using your logic, should we also expect violence (murder) against tobacco company executives? How about executives of food companies that make: ultra processed foods? Sugary drinks? Foods high in fat and cholesterol? Gun manufacturers? Aren't they also responsible for the deaths of many Americans? Where does it end?
You can speculate forever, but that doesn't change the facts. Many children lose their fathers. Not many of them lose their father to a crazed, cold-blooded murderer. That is something they will have to live with forever.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/brian-thompson-wife-unitedhealthcare

https://people.com/brian-thompson-healthcare-ceo-dedicated-father-family-says-8756058

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[wsc]

13 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

All of your wild assumptions "trying to understand the root causes" of Brian Thomson's murder are mind-boggling.
First of all, you know nothing about his relationship with his children. He lived separately from his wife, but bought a home less than a mile away so he could be involved in his kids' lives. According to his estranged wife, "Brian was an incredible loving father to our two sons and will be greatly missed."  That sentiment was also echoed by Thomson's sister-in-law. Do you know more about his relationship with his children than his estranged wife and sister-in-law?
Using your logic, should we also expect violence (murder) against tobacco company executives? How about executives of food companies that make: ultra processed foods? Sugary drinks? Foods high in fat and cholesterol? Gun manufacturers? Aren't they also responsible for the deaths of many Americans? Where does it end?
You can speculate forever, but that doesn't change the facts. Many children lose their fathers. Not many of them lose their father to a crazed, cold-blooded murderer. That is something they will have to live with forever.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/brian-thompson-wife-unitedhealthcare

https://people.com/brian-thompson-healthcare-ceo-dedicated-father-family-says-8756058

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I share your disdain for the murderer and disgust with those who champion his action. I can sympathize with his frustration with his insurance provider but can only condemn his extreme response.

However, I don't see your cited examples of similar "villains" as truly parallel examples.  Smokers chose to use the product that made them sick*, people who ingest the processed foods, sugary drinks, fat-filled and high cholesterol products choose to do so, and gun manufacturers make a legitimate product with legitimate uses, sometimes misused by some.

You might as well include car and truck makers whose products are driven into crowds by crazed people, or those pilots who give sky diving lessons to people whose parachutes sometimes sadly fail.

Where does it all end? It won't. Stupid and evil people will always be with us. The only approach that might mitigate the massacres and dissuade some of the crazies is to let them see the consequences of the evil actions of others being held accountable, as we are now seeing with Mangione. His vocal and emotional cadre of supporters are misguided at best and complicit at worst. Acceptance of responsibility and condemnation of evil actions -not thoughts- are the way forward.

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars but in our selves.

 

*The lies and concealments of the manufactures have been uncovered and dealt with in numerous and chastening lawsuits and prosecutions.

 

[marylander1940]

14 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Using your logic, should we also expect violence (murder) against tobacco company executives? How about executives of food companies that make: ultra processed foods? Sugary drinks? Foods high in fat and cholesterol? Gun manufacturers? Aren't they also responsible for the deaths of many Americans? Where does it end?
 

 

Great point! 

I certainly share the frustrations with our healthcare system mostly because of how it has affected some relatives and close friends, but there's a process to improve things in a civilized society and starts with doing your homework picking a more suitable healthcare company based on our needs. 

Unfortunately, to some folks it's always someone else's fault. 

Not dragging this out of subject but I remember in the late 90's lawsuits against McDonald's from people who got fat because of eating there. 

14 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

You can speculate forever, but that doesn't change the facts. Many children lose their fathers. Not many of them lose their father to a crazed, cold-blooded murderer. That is something they will have to live with forever.

 

Not only that but I'm sure there are going to be movies about his crime, they will always be reminded by something or someone about their father's murder. I doubt they will ever get closure. 

I'm also concerned about more copycat killers, unbalanced folks who might commit murder for a cause just to get caught and be famous. 

27 minutes ago, wsc said:

I share your disdain for the murderer and disgust with those who champion his action. I can sympathize with his frustration with his insurance provider but can only condemn his extreme response.

However, I don't see your cited examples of similar "villains" as truly parallel examples.  Smokers chose to use the product that made them sick*, people who ingest the processed foods, sugary drinks, fat-filled and high cholesterol products choose to do so, and gun manufacturers make a legitimate product with legitimate uses, sometimes misused by some.

You might as well include car and truck makers whose products are driven into crowds by crazed people, or those pilots who give sky diving lessons to people whose parachutes sometimes sadly fail.

Where does it all end? It won't. Stupid and evil people will always be with us. The only approach that might mitigate the massacres and dissuade some of the crazies is to let them see the consequences of the evil actions of others being held accountable, as we are now seeing with Mangione. His vocal and emotional cadre of supporters are misguided at best and complicit at worst. Acceptance of responsibility and condemnation of evil actions -not thoughts- are the way forward.

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars but in our selves.

 

*The lies and concealments of the manufactures have been uncovered and dealt with in numerous and chastening lawsuits and prosecutions.

 

His supporters are playing with fire.. I doubt they'll ever commit acts of violence themselves but the fact they consider a cold-blooded planned assassination of someone very few people knew about because after being killed embodied everything wrong with the system makes me wonder their cognitive capabilities.