marylander1940 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 17 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: It's a good start Yes, most foreign Strippers and Escorts I meet are successfully managing to survive and thrive with visas That's what they tell others to avoid being reported! Do you ask for papers before paying them? Confirmed, they do jobs most Americans just can't do! Edited January 26 by marylander1940 Marc in Calif and pubic_assistance 1 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 43 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: they do jobs most Americans just can't do! Foreigners are being exploited as cheap labor. There are plenty of American citizens who CAN do the work, they just don't. Because NOT WORKING is an option here. I remember traveling around Turkey, I was marveling at the attention to detail in the gardens everywhere. A tour guide explained that when women lost their husband (or other bread-winner) and needed a source of income, they were assigned a job as gardener. You don't see litter laying around, weeds or dead plants in these very practical small cities in Turkey. We should learn from these places, that sitting on your ass, getting fat and selling drugs should NOT be an optional lifestyle. Get able-bodied people to work and you don't need to exploit so many poor foreigners. (Which is the actual reason they were allowed to flood in) Edited January 26 by pubic_assistance grammar + ApexNomad, marylander1940, BSR and 1 other 2 2
marylander1940 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Foreigners are being exploited as cheap labor. There are plenty of American citizens who CAN do the work, they just don't. Because NOT WORKING is an option here. Agree on this! 7 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: We should learn from these places, that sitting on your ass, getting fat and selling drugs should NOT be an optional lifestyle. Get able-bodied people to work and you don't need to exploit so many poor foreigners. (Which is the actual reason they were allowed to flood in) I guess you're talking about Americans sitting on the couch and selling meth, oxy, etc. Able-bodied in a country where obesity is a clear sign of poverty? pubic_assistance 1
caliguy Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 14 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Foreigners are being exploited as cheap labor. There are plenty of American citizens who CAN do the work, they just don't. Because NOT WORKING is an option here. I agree that they're totally being exploited for cheap labor. Americans will work but not for next to nothing wages which doesn't afford you shit in today's high cost of living. Farmers and factories could go all automation but they'd just prefer subsidies and cheap labor. That's probably going to change at least. If you really wanted to fix the immigration problem then they'd go after these welfare queen slave wage employers. Not that complicated. Edited January 26 by caliguy pubic_assistance 1
caliguy Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 11 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: Agree on this! I guess you're talking about Americans sitting on the couch and selling meth, oxy, etc. Maybe they could escort or start a only fans account if they haven't totally destroyed their bodies to get by. We could start an employment I mean pimp agency for them. What do you think?🤔 Edited January 26 by caliguy pubic_assistance 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 26 Posted January 26 31 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: I guess you're talking about Americans sitting on the couch and selling meth, oxy, etc. Yes. Exactly. I grew up in the "rust belt". I still have friends and family there. People are sitting on the couch and doing meth because they are depressed. They are depressed about having NO opportunity. They have no opportunity because all the labor jobs are gone. My hometown went from 15 factories to ZERO. Unemployment went from 3% to 50%. Even the hospital had to close because everyone who uses it was on welfare. There are certainly people who would work, if they could find work. Without getting political...I will say the US (everyone) has ignored this problem for decades. Providing American citizens with enough welfare to survive while simultaneously exploiting poor undocumented immigrants is a terrible, terrible plan. I will not comment on who's to blame...but I will say it's certainly not a single entity. It's layers of incompetence and neglect. By neglecting a HUGE problem like this, there is certainly going to be a tremendous amount of fallout that will affect all immigration issues across the board. + DrownedBoy, BSR, + Charlie and 1 other 2 2
pubic_assistance Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, marylander1940 said: The visa waiver which is the most form of tourist visa is 3 months. I was referring to a B2 Visa which is awarded in 6 month increments with an understanding that you MUST leave in between stays. There is no specific requirement for time between stays but it is generally accepted that one sixth month visit PER YEAR is viewed as a non issue by immigration authorities. Edited January 26 by pubic_assistance grammar Luv2play 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 26 Posted January 26 To continue this conversation without breaking the NO POLITICS rule, it will be necessary to not point fingers at a politician. Once you blame a specific person or party, your comment becomes politically charged. Tricky to do with a topic that is so influenced by politics. But do try to stick to the issue and talk about policy without blaming a specific member of a political party or the party itself. Post edited to remove a comment it had quoted. CoM Mods + Vegas_Millennial and Marc in Calif 1 1
+ DrownedBoy Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I am wondering if unscrupulous clients will take advantage of this situation. ICE is planning to open an "illegal immigrant hotline" and encouraging people to report anyone suspicious. How many people might hire, say, a Latino, and after they had their fun, tell them to leave without their money, else they'll call ICE? And in what places would that be a credible threat? marylander1940, Luv2play, pubic_assistance and 1 other 4
GTMike Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 2:17 PM, Vegas_Millennial said: It's a good start In regards to "500" being deported and response. Not sure "narratives" in conversations are even vaguely tethered with facts and/or based on reality in many cases. And further the CY 2020 - CY 2022 years were affected by the logistical operations and from the Pandemic that altered trendlines Edited January 27 by GTMike Just adding to original comment + Vegas_Millennial, Luv2play, marylander1940 and 1 other 4
+ Pensant Posted January 27 Posted January 27 10 hours ago, marylander1940 said: That happened to Gabriel Cross! Now he was a hottie! pubic_assistance and marylander1940 2
Lotus-eater Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: I am wondering if unscrupulous clients will take advantage of this situation. ICE is planning to open an "illegal immigrant hotline" and encouraging people to report anyone suspicious. How many people might hire, say, a Latino, and after they had their fun, tell them to leave without their money, else they'll call ICE? And in what places would that be a credible threat? How would his legal status be ascertained? Or just assume that he's here illegally and 2 scenarios come to mind: 1. If he's here illegally, then he might flee without payment (but the client may be blacklisted on provider forums). 2. If he's here legally, then pay him extra so that he leaves peacefully (and doesn't have the client blacklisted on provider forums). + Vegas_Millennial 1
marylander1940 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 58 minutes ago, GTMike said: In regards to "500" being deported and response. Not sure "narratives" in conversations are even vaguely tethered with facts and/or based on reality in many cases. Unfortunately, facts don't matter! pubic_assistance 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 27 Posted January 27 6 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: I am wondering if unscrupulous clients will take advantage of this situation. ICE is planning to open an "illegal immigrant hotline" and encouraging people to report anyone suspicious. How many people might hire, say, a Latino, and after they had their fun, tell them to leave without their money, else they'll call ICE? And in what places would that be a credible threat? If so, it wouldn't be limited to escorts. For example, someone could hire a cab, and then refuse to pay the driver who speaks with a foreign accent lest they threaten to call ICE. I don't see any major changes coming on the behavior of clients.
+ augustus Posted January 27 Posted January 27 15 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: There are plenty of American citizens who CAN do the work, they just don't. Because NOT WORKING is an option here. You can say that again. Then they go through life mentally crippled and can't handle stressful situations. pubic_assistance 1
marylander1940 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Talk about ethnic profiling.... Navajo Nation leaders raise alarm over reports of Indigenous people being questioned and detained during immigration sweeps | CNN WWW.CNN.COM At least 15 Indigenous people in Arizona and New Mexico have reported being stopped at their homes and workplaces, questioned or detained by federal law... Marc in Calif, CuriousByNature, + BOZO T CLOWN and 5 others 1 1 1 3 1 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, marylander1940 said: Talk about ethnic profiling.... Navajo Nation leaders raise alarm over reports of Indigenous people being questioned and detained during immigration sweeps | CNN WWW.CNN.COM At least 15 Indigenous people in Arizona and New Mexico have reported being stopped at their homes and workplaces, questioned or detained by federal law... How does this incident affect our hobby? I'm not seeing the relation to the topic of this thread, unless you're suggesting American Indians have a propensity to be prostitutes at higher rates than other Americans. Edited January 27 by Vegas_Millennial pubic_assistance, Lotus-eater, + BOZO T CLOWN and 2 others 1 3 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 27 Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: How does this incident affect our hobby? I'm not seeing the relation to the topic of this thread, unless you're suggesting American Indians have a propensity to be prostitutes at higher rates than other Americans. Agreed. It's also CNN...so I wouldn't be quick to believe the article anyway. + ApexNomad, marylander1940, + Vegas_Millennial and 4 others 4 1 1 1
mike carey Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Moderator's Note Folks, there's a whole topic to be had out there on the wider implications of any initiatives that seek to address irregular immigration and as we've seen elsewhere it's contentious. We've had a fair amount of general discussion, some of which has crossed, or come close to the line of being political. It's now time for us to refocus on the subject of this topic, the effect these initiatives might have on hiring. Please limit yourselves to that. The moderators will be going back and reviewing earlier posts for instances where posters have gone too far. Thank you for your cooperation. + ApexNomad, MikeBiDude, + DrownedBoy and 3 others 3 2 1
+ DrownedBoy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/27/2025 at 12:45 AM, Vegas_Millennial said: If so, it wouldn't be limited to escorts. For example, someone could hire a cab, and then refuse to pay the driver who speaks with a foreign accent lest they threaten to call ICE. I don't see any major changes coming on the behavior of clients. I should clarify. The kind of "client" who would screw with a Latino wouldn't be a regular. They'd be those guys who endlessly text and screw with escorts. I can see some doing this. But the biggest effect I think are the platforms themselves - RentMen, RentMasseur, MintBoys, etc. I hate to say it, but undocumented escorts on there are very low hanging fruit for authorities. I wouldn't be surprised if ICE agents book providers, then arrest them for deportation. This will lead to a high turnover rate from foreign providers, and more precautions on facial pictures. Every week, more RM ads go faceless. pubic_assistance 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 28 Posted January 28 24 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said: I wouldn't be surprised if ICE agents book providers, then arrest them for deportation. It would much easier and more plentiful low hanging fruit if an ICE agent ordered a lunch at a deli, then arrested for deportation the cook or dishwasher for unsafe food handling practices. Immigration enforcement is not what's going to kill or dampen our hobby. My Goodness, the creation of Grindr had a bigger affect on our hobby when it took hookers out of the local bars and trade magazines. + BOZO T CLOWN, + DrownedBoy, Lotus-eater and 3 others 1 2 2 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: This will lead to a high turnover rate from foreign providers... Men who seek out young Asians working illegally at massage parlors, for example, might notice their choices limited. I have never been one to frequently patronize English-as-a-2nd-language providers here in the States, so I don't forsee a change in the hobby for me. Maybe it's just the search settings I use, but I don't notice too many "foreign" looking providers in my searches when traveling in various U.S. cities. Edited January 29 by Vegas_Millennial marylander1940, + BOZO T CLOWN and + DrownedBoy 2 1
marylander1940 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Men who seek out young Asians working illegally at massage parlors, for example, might notice their choices limited. I have never been one to patronize English as a 2nd language providers here in the States, so I don't forsee a change in the hobby for me. Maybe it's just the search settings I use, but I don't notice too many "foreign" looking providers in my searches when traveling in various U.S. cities. Foreign looking? How does an American usually look? I don't care what language they speak as long as: 🍑 😏 🍆 💪💦 ! Edited January 28 by marylander1940 Marc in Calif, pubic_assistance and + BOZO T CLOWN 1 1 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, marylander1940 said: Foreign looking? How does an American usually look? I don't care what language they speak as long as: 🍑 😏 🍆 💪 ! EXACTLY! Thus the reason for quotation marks in my original post. Hence my point that ICE agents booking certain escorts with intention of deportation is not low hanging fruit or worth the agency's time Edited January 29 by Vegas_Millennial marylander1940, Marc in Calif, + DrownedBoy and 2 others 1 3 1
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