Overnight Rate

[pubic_assistance]

38 minutes ago, MscleLovr said:

As two intelligent and reasonable people, I feel you have to agree to disagree on the above issue.

I don't think @ApexNomad does disagree with me. He's stuck on a tangent and can't get off his emotional trigger about a provider laughing.

 

Edited March 2 by pubic_assistance

[SirBillybob]

On 4/15/2024 at 11:33 PM, Guest said:

What is the most you have ever paid for an overnight?

Zero extra. If they wanted to remain and I didn’t insist on paying the negotiated short-time fee for them to leave prior to bedtime, then they were welcome to stay for breakfast. 

Edited March 2 by SirBillybob

[+ ApexNomad]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I don't think @ApexNomad does disagree with me. He's stuck on a tangent and can't get off his emotional trigger about a provider laughing.

 

Feel free to address me directly the next time you’re concerned about my emotional well-being. Odd that you have so much to say on this topic when you’ve admitted you don’t do overnights. What’s telling is that whenever a conversation challenges you, you fall back on your classic playbook of deflection and snide attacks. Such disdain.

[Km411]

1 hour ago, ApexNomad said:

What’s telling is that whenever a conversation challenges you, you fall back on your classic playbook of deflection and snide attacks. Such disdain.

🤔 While I don’t always agree with @pubic_assistanceI’ve always appreciated his honesty, directness, and conviction. So rare. In fact, I was going to include a discussion of this on another thread about favorite posters this morning. Dodged a bullet 😂 

[+ ApexNomad]

9 minutes ago, Km411 said:

🤔 While I don’t always agree with @pubic_assistanceI’ve always appreciated his honesty, directness, and conviction. So rare. In fact, I was going to include a discussion of this on another thread about favorite posters this morning. Dodged a bullet 😂 

Where it often dovetails is that it’s never just an agree to disagree, is it? It’s the cheap shots and throwaway lines—“So gross to treat human beings with such disdain” or alleging emotional triggers. I’m going by the evidence presented by the poster.  We have different views. We expressed them. I agree with him on a lot, and I disagree with him on some things. Absolutely fair! But honesty, directness, and conviction aren’t inherently admirable when they cover for condescension and cheap shots. But if that’s what you value, carry on.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Odd that you have so much to say on this topic when you’ve admitted you don’t do overnights

I made it clear that I don't do overnights.

I was speaking about the issue from the perspective of the struggle of placing value.

Nobody has a clear answer.

So dialogue is required.

Sorry if you felt my effusive commitment to helping young providers succeed, stepped on some toes.

Edited March 2 by pubic_assistance
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[ncc1701d]

On 3/1/2025 at 1:48 PM, ApexNomad said:

Maybe that’s the difference. I’m not hiring men so young or inexperienced that the concept of an overnight and what to charge is so foreign to them. Even if a provider is unsure, the simplest and most professional approach would have been to throw out a number and work with the client right there. This wasn’t a one-time inquiry from a stranger—it was a regular client expressing interest in spending more time and more money. That alone should have signaled to the provider that this was an opportunity to build on an existing relationship, not a situation to leave open-ended.

Clients aren’t going to wait indefinitely while a provider figures out their business model. A confident, prepared professional—regardless of experience—knows how to have that conversation in the moment. Hesitation or deflection sends a message, and in this case, it told the client that the provider wasn’t ready to handle a straightforward request. That says a lot.

I'm with Archangel...i feel like if i explain to him my thinking of the rates, he will think i'm trying to bargain his rate down, and end up souring otherwise a very fun short hire. I'm of the mindset that they set their price, i set my expectations, and if the 2 don't match, we dont meet ....simple

[Archangel]

3 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

But honesty, directness, and conviction aren’t inherently admirable when they cover for condescension and cheap shots.

[Archangel]

@Km411– There’s a distinction between what’s what allowed and what’s good. It might be allowed per the rules to be crassly and even rudely direct, but it doesn’t foster goodwill or camaraderie. You’re free to say many things, but it doesn’t mean you should; and oftentimes it’s best if some things are simply left unsaid. What’s to be gained by voicing an indirect insult (or a direct one)? Tearing down someone to build yourself up might be allowed, but is that really what you want to do? I suppose some do, but in my book that’s what we call bullying. Making other people feel bad, especially by resorting to personal attacks, direct or otherwise, is just bullying. I don’t value it. There’s too much nastiness in the world already at the hands of insecure bullies to say it’s okay. Again, it might be allowed, but certainly doesn’t mean it’s a good, valuable thing.

[mike carey]

Gentlemen,

As has been noted, there is a difference between what is allowed and what is conducive to an agreeable ambience in a thread or in the forum as a whole. The latter is far more open to reasonable disagreement as to what it looks like, but at times we can become overly focussed on the details rather than how it looks to a casual disinterested observer.

We've seen an active and interesting debate about some particular matters, but they are starting to become a separate topic in its own right and to diverge from the subject of the thread. To avoid descending into any acrimony or into personal judgments, it's time to thank those who have contributed to an interesting side-debate and move on from it and any lack if civility that some members may have felt, and resume discussing the topic at hand.