acaressandakiss Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I’ll be traveling to NYC this weekend and I’m considering hiring a masseur. When a masseur says they offer erotic massage what exactly does that include? Does the erotic services vary individually by provider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 23 minutes ago, acaressandakiss said: I’ll be traveling to NYC this weekend and I’m considering hiring a masseur. When a masseur says they offer erotic massage what exactly does that include? Does the erotic services vary individually by provider? There is a very simple and universally understood answer to that question. It can be found here: And here: Edited March 26 by Vegas_Millennial Simon Suraci, Rod Hagen and marylander1940 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56harrisond Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 + Vegas_Millennial, Rod Hagen and Simon Suraci 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninsoma Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 This topic has come up many times. The real answer is that there is no "agreed upon" or standard definition. If you want to know more about what a specific masseur offers, you need to ask him and/or check what his clients have had to say about him. Simon Suraci, + Vegas_Millennial, Medin and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 56 minutes ago, acaressandakiss said: Does the erotic services vary individually by provider? Yes + Italiano, pubic_assistance, + azdr0710 and 4 others 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie21 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Yes this is highly regulated. The Association for Sexwork Knowledge (ASK) has a pamphlet that stipulates the exact content of an erotic massage. The pamphlet describes that all erotic massages must include at least 3 touches of the client’s genitals (and the final or 3rd touch has to keep hold until the client climaxes or the time runs out). A minimum of one nipple must be tweaked and at least one ball gently cupped or caressed. If the client has a non standard number of nipples or balls the masseur has to ensure that 50% of the total ball / nipples available have to be touched. Clients with a preference for bum work should indicate this either verbally or by parting their legs wider than table width. If the client does this then the pamphlet requires that the masseur insert a lubed finger (spit acceptable if no lube is available) past the first knuckle. The pamphlet is called Hire for Intimate Massage. In short it’s the ASK HIM document 😉 Rod Hagen, jayjaycali, jeezifonly and 22 others 3 1 3 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, maninsoma said: This topic has come up many times. The real answer is that there is no "agreed upon" or standard definition. If you want to know more about what a specific masseur offers, you need to ask him and/or check what his clients have had to say about him. In some cases also depends on how doable the client looks. Not everyone gets special treatment. Edited March 26 by marylander1940 + DrownedBoy, Medin, pubic_assistance and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 41 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: There is a very simple and universally understood answer to that question. It can be found here: And here: Yes, just like Uber and so many others. Maybe the mgt should automatically combine threads like this one about zombie subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderoz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Hence, YMMV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunwoodyGuy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 It means you should be clear in advance what your hopes and expectations are, because chances are the masseur defines "erotic" differently than you do. BaronArtz, marylander1940, Rod Hagen and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Gator Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I have had erotic massages that I would define as sensual (very little MT if any, massaging my genitals but no HE) to 'full service' (whatever 'service' I wanted from the masseur, he was open to providing). So the definition is not really defined by the client or any website - it's defined by the provider himself. Ask him up front what 'erotic' entails vs 'sensual'. A little side note: About twenty years ago I bought window blinds from Home Depot, with a 'lifetime guarantee' for free repairs or replacement. Within two years, one of the window blinds were not working properly, so I called their service department (with all my documentation in hand) and asked for a service rep to come out to my home to repair or replace - for free. They told me my 'lifetime' guarantee expired - they defined 'lifetime' as 12 months. So they were really offering a one-year guarantee on their product, but falsely advertising it as 'lifetime'. After hanging up from them, I called the consumer division of my state AG's office. I provided them with all my receipts and paper work guaranteeing me the 'lifetime warranty'. They quickly resoved this with Home Depot for me - and let them know they can't advertise 'lifetime guarantee' in our state if it's only for 12 months. + Vegas_Millennial and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Hagen Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, DunwoodyGuy said: It means you should be clear in advance what your hopes and expectations are, because chances are the masseur defines "erotic" differently than you do. Mike drop! :-) + KensingtonHomo, Jamie21, pubic_assistance and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc in Calif Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Rod Hagen said: Mike drop! 🙂 Who's "Mike" and why did you just drop him? 😁 Rod Hagen, JeffsterLA and CuriousByNature 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchal Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Here's one masseur's recent blog entry on the distinction: https://rentmasseur.com/GiovanniSF#stream As you can see, it's very much his own definition, and no two masseurs might make the exact same distinction. Marc in Calif and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimby Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 If you see a provider offering both sensual and erotic... ASK THEM WHAT THEIR DIFFERENCE IS. You can't beat communication with your provider. This should happen when booking for your best results. When you meet your provider, most will spend a minute or 2 to welcome you... feel free to recap what you discussed... also, besides telling them what or how you like things, tell them also what you don't care for (too much chat, heavy pressure in a certain area,,, whatever). A good provider would appreciate the information. Clearer expectations also help the client relax and enjoy the massage.. instead of laying there trying to interpret every touch for a possible opening or "wait.. he just grazed my genitals... i wonder if I can now touch his?" pubic_assistance and Redwine56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyBen Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) As everyone says there's no standard definitions and it does vary by masseur. Personally for sensual I'd expect to be naked and undraped and there was a HE. For erotic I'd expect mutual nudity and mutual touch plus a HE as a minimum. I'd say broadly most massages I've had under those categories met those expectations. Sometimes they don't but then sometimes they go much further than you expect which are always the most memorable! Worth noting I'm in the UK and I do get the impression masseurs here can be more upfront. Often when I reach out to a masseur i get sent a menu of options and price ranges by UK based masseurs. Had that the other day and all I'd done is look at his rentmasseur profile. Edited March 28 by RugbyBen Massageislife and Redwine56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massageislife Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Words have meaning, and I think most clients and providers share a basic understanding of the terms therapeutic (non-sexual, masseur probably trained), sensual (not necessarily trained and primarily designed for giving pleasure), and erotic (masseur naked, MT, and HE). Prices reflect these differences, and ads support these definitions. I love it when a masseur, on their own, describes their services in their initial communications with me (I’m generally only looking for erotic massage.), but it’s not necessary: they are telling me in their ad (with the text, with me photos, with the price) what I can anticipate. I never ask explicitly for details of what they will provide in advance. Private massage is wrongly existing in a legally marginal zone, so I don’t find these questions appropriate. On rare occasions I’ve gotten something different than was advertised—almost always MORE than what was advertised—but that’s just the occasional “bad” service that one sometimes gets in any profession. I go to this forum to learn from my brothers, not to hear truisms like “everybody is different” or “depends on the person” or most useless of all: “YMMV.” How do those things help? Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 As everyone has stated there is NO exact definition. But I would say that an "erotic"massage SHOULD at minimum involve a sexually titillating experience, where the masseur arouses the client. But At that point what varies drastically is what happens after you're aroused. Some will include a completion and others will negotiate for an additional fee. And sadly some will leave you with blue balls. Yes. It's good to discuss up front...but I actually prefer to leave it to fate and if I am impressed I will return. If not...I pay the fee requested, include nothing more and move on. Marc in Calif and marylander1940 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronArtz Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 minute ago, pubic_assistance said: Yes. It's good to discuss up front...but I actually prefer to leave it to fate and if I am impressed I will return. If not...I pay the fee requested, include nothing more and move on. I agree with that. I simply request sensual massages and leave it up to the masseur to surprise me. It has worked very well. Although it is not requirement, I love it when a masseur also has an escort ad because I feel that he is OK with a broader range of activities. However, when a massage experience spontaneously becomes an escort experience - which I define a penetrative sex - I do pay an escort rate. I don't expect an escort experience at massage rates. pubic_assistance and DunwoodyGuy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 10 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: As everyone has stated there is NO exact definition. But I would say that an "erotic"massage SHOULD at minimum involve a sexually titillating experience, where the masseur arouses the client. But At that point what varies drastically is what happens after you're aroused. Some will include a completion and others will negotiate for an additional fee. And sadly some will leave you with blue balls. Yes. It's good to discuss up front...but I actually prefer to leave it to fate and if I am impressed I will return. If not...I pay the fee requested, include nothing more and move on. Agreed but it should be an additional fee because sex for money is escorting, not massage. if not everyone would hire a masseur for 200 and fuck him/get fucked by him after the 90 minutes all included. I'm aware some might do it based on how surprisingly doable the client looks but that's not the usual "modus operandi" and not all clients should expect that. BaronArtz and pubic_assistance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousByNature Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 18 hours ago, Marc in Calif said: Who's "Mike" and why did you just drop him? 😁 After being dropped Mike is sore and needs a massage. Rod Hagen and Marc in Calif 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 12:20 PM, acaressandakiss said: I’ll be traveling to NYC this weekend and I’m considering hiring a masseur. When a masseur says they offer erotic massage what exactly does that include? Does the erotic services vary individually by provider? You should find that the spectrum of massages offered by masseurs in New York City is not radically different from the massages offered by masseurs in your hometown, wherever that is. Massageislife 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, BaronArtz said: However, when a massage experience spontaneously becomes an escort experience - which I define a penetrative sex - I do pay an escort rate. I don't expect an escort experience at massage rates. 4 hours ago, marylander1940 said: Agreed but it should be an additional fee because sex for money is escorting, not massage. if not everyone would hire a masseur for 200 and fuck him/get fucked by him after the 90 minutes all included. I'm aware some might do it based on how surprisingly doable the client looks but that's not the usual "modus operandi" and not all clients should expect that. I agree and agree. Always nice when there's more offered. If it does somehow ends up being an escort session at the completion, then it's due more than just a "tip". I pay what a normal escort fee would include. Sometimes this is negotiated and sometimes it's left up to me to be a gentleman. But unless I'm traveling or visiting someone from out of town. I tend to keep a regular relationship with a good masseur who is sexually compatible too. So I would naturally be generous to keep my provider happy to return. Edited March 28 by pubic_assistance grammar Marc in Calif, jsn102, marylander1940 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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