Websites to find providers?

[MCR]

What are some of the good websites you find your providers at?  Rentmen seems to be the main one.   I've had no luck on mintboys or Romeo.  Anything else out there?

[Jamie21]

If you’re in the UK Sleepyboy.com is the main source for escorts. 

[Simon Suraci]

FriendBoyPro is an alternate. I got a client from that one today. It’s has a small fraction of the popularity of RM in the US though.

I use MintBoys as well. Same story, a small fraction of the popularity, seldom get clients from there.

Adam4Adam has “pro” profiles and you can filter for those in search.

I would like a solid competitor to give RentMen a run for their money. 

[Wolfer]

In Europe the main site is Hunqz, the professional side of the gay dating site romeo.com (it used to be called GayRomeo, then changed to Planetromeo, now it's just Romeo). 

You need to create an account on Romeo first before you can view the Hunqz profiles. You cannot view the profiles without being logged in (which is possible on rentmen) 

[BaronArtz]

What is a good website for Latin America, specifically for Colombia?  I am planning a trip.  My straight friends tell me that there are ample very hot women available there at reasonable rates.  I am hoping the same is true for male providers ...

[JamesB]

1 hour ago, BaronArtz said:

What is a good website for Latin America, specifically for Colombia?  I am planning a trip.  My straight friends tell me that there are ample very hot women available there at reasonable rates.  I am hoping the same is true for male providers ...

In Colombia I’ve used RM with good results and https://co.skokka.com/ once. https://www.escortsbuk.com/  was recommended to me but I have not used it yet.

[topunderachiever]

 

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[Simon Suraci]

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now, and for the moment only local to San Diego, LA, and Palm Springs. Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like?

Men’s Massage therapist in San Diego - All For Men

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On 3/9/2024 at 1:58 AM, Simon Suraci said:

Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like?

No.

[maninsoma]

On 3/8/2024 at 11:58 PM, Simon Suraci said:

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now, and for the moment only local to San Diego, LA, and Palm Springs. Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like?

Men’s Massage therapist in San Diego - All For Men

ALLFORMEN.COM

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Experience top-notch men's Bodywork and Personal Trainers in San Diego at All For Men. Elevate...

 

A couple of decades ago, there was a site dedicated to m4m masseurs in the San Francisco area.  I no longer remember the URL, but I did use that site a lot to find masseurs.  If I'm not mistaken, there was no Rentmasseur at the time so my three main sites for finding masseurs were that one, Masseurfinder and Craigslist.

If a new site dedicated to my area appeared and I heard about it, I would certainly use it.  The key issue is how clients are going to discover the new site.  Unless the site owner has figured out how to drive traffic and can demonstrate that to you, as an advertiser I fear you'd just be throwing your money down the drain (or, rather, just helping to support someone financially who really isn't doing anything for you).

Edited March 12 by maninsoma

[JamesB]

On 3/9/2024 at 2:58 AM, Simon Suraci said:

Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like?
 

I'd likely make use of it. In my view, the more options available, the better. Ultimately, my decision would hinge on the organization and ease of navigation of the site.

[Occasional]

5 hours ago, maninsoma said:

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now,

.. which surely suggests that the site promoter should be offering established providers a fee-free initial period to check out whether the site produces business for them.  And that should work for the promoter as well, who will get more providers on board sooner, thus accelerating the reaching of critical mass when he can start charging to be listed.

[Simon Suraci]

4 hours ago, maninsoma said:

The key issue is how clients are going to discover the new site.

^Yes, this is among my chief concerns.

He’s advertising on TV apps (see his capture below) and trying to leverage some SEO. I thought the point is that you don’t have commercials on most of these apps, but the free ones you would still have ads. SEO I think would be more effective, but I’m no marketing guru. 

Considering how specific the product is, I wonder how he would get it to the right people…which leads me to believe his strategy relies on creepy stealth marketing data bought and sold by small and large corporations alike. I know some of you here place a high premium on privacy and discretion, so I imagine some would be upset seeing a targeted ad for gay massage on your tv apps just because of the content you view or the products you buy in your daily life. I know the over abundance of personal data floating around bothers me sometimes.

I asked about impressions, click throughs and similar data, and he shared these numbers:

 

[maninsoma]

35 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

^Yes, this is among my chief concerns.

He’s advertising on TV apps (see his capture below) and trying to leverage some SEO. I thought the point is that you don’t have commercials on most of these apps, but the free ones you would still have ads. SEO I think would be more effective, but I’m no marketing guru. 

Considering how specific the product is, I wonder how he would get it to the right people…which leads me to believe his strategy relies on creepy stealth marketing data bought and sold by small and large corporations alike. I know some of you here place a high premium on privacy and discretion, so I imagine some would be upset seeing a targeted ad for gay massage on your tv apps just because of the content you view or the products you buy in your daily life. I know the over abundance of personal data floating around bothers me sometimes.

I asked about impressions, click throughs and similar data, and he shared these numbers:

 

Pardon my ignorance, but what does that second screen capture mean?  For example, does it simply mean that 13.5 million Roku Channel viewers have been served an ad for his site?  If so, then I have to say I wouldn't be impressed if I were a prospective advertiser on the site.  There doesn't seem to be any targeting at all towards either the right community (gay men) or geographic area. 

I agree with Occasional's post above: Far more meaningful would be to give prospective advertisers a free trial period of, say, three months.  Require that the ad include the phrase "when reaching out to X, tell him you found him on www.whatever.com ."  The site owner could, of course, suggest that advertisers ask where the client saw their ads in case the clients neglect to include this information.  The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

[rojjodc]

On 3/9/2024 at 2:58 AM, Simon Suraci said:

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now, and for the moment only local to San Diego, LA, and Palm Springs. Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like?

Men’s Massage therapist in San Diego - All For Men

ALLFORMEN.COM

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Experience top-notch men's Bodywork and Personal Trainers in San Diego at All For Men. Elevate...

 

Simon, I noticed you also have a MasseurFinder website listing but you don't seem to advertise it.  How much business do you get on that site compared to RentMasseur? And do you different business, such as more erotic requests on RM vs MasseurFinder?  I am curious because I was told RM is much cheaper than MasseurFinder  but some providers prefer to exclusively advertise on MasseurFinder. even if it is more expensive - or am I wrong about the cost?  So I am suspecting that a MasseurFinder only provider is strictly for therapeutic only, and no sensual or erotic.

 

 

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, maninsoma said:

what does that second screen capture mean?  For example, does it simply mean that 13.5 million Roku Channel viewers have been served an ad for his site?

I didn’t dig much deeper with Tal, but the way I interpret the TV channel app numbers is # of users who use the app and could potentially be served an ad at some point. It’s unrealistic for millions of users to have seen at least one ad for this small niche website. TV spots cost a lot more than what he’s spending. Even local TV channels cost quite a bit and they wouldn’t even be targeted. It is easier to target ads on apps though.

The impressions number looks more realistic to me, and I am assuming most or all of the impressions are from webpage ads or popping up in search results, things like that. Only a small fraction of impressions generate click-throughs, and a small fraction of those generate any leads, much less bookings.

There is no way to tell how many clients the featured service providers are getting from the site unless each one independently asked their clients to disclose where they saw their ad and reported that in a consistent way to Tal. It would have to be like a required survey to mean anything. Nobody is going to do that. I have enough trouble getting a first name from some clients, much less details about how they found me. Tal, unsurprisingly, couldn’t provide any data on his featured providers’ bookings originating from the new site.

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, rojjodc said:

Simon, I noticed you also have a MasseurFinder website listing but you don't seem to advertise it.  How much business do you get on that site compared to RentMasseur? And do you different business, such as more erotic requests on RM vs MasseurFinder?  I am curious because I was told RM is much cheaper than MasseurFinder  but some providers prefer to exclusively advertise on MasseurFinder. even if it is more expensive - or am I wrong about the cost?  So I am suspecting that a MasseurFinder only provider is strictly for therapeutic only, and no sensual or erotic.

I have at least 5 different ads, plus my website, plus a couple of profiles on apps. If I listed them all, my signature would be unbearably long and convoluted. I list my website and my most popular ad here, which is plenty, I think.

Massage therapists advertising exclusively on MF are way more likely to be therapeutic only. Some, like me, advertise the whole gamut of services elsewhere. A few of the therapeutic only guys on MF treat it like paid Grindr where they only go further with a select cadre of clients they are into. I don’t. I match the service to what the client wants. Sometimes they find me on MF and request full service, and some of my RM clients just come for basic service. Or visa versa. Just depends on the client moreso than the platform.

MasseurFinder is a racket. $105/mo and it yields poor return on investment, but a few good, high quality clients. RentMasseur is the opposite, $40/mo and an excellent ROI. I get a range of clients from each, plus more from all the other ads. In aggregate, all the platforms are worth it to me. 

I get all kinds of requests from all of my ads. Erotic from RM, therapeutic from MF, and the opposite. Oftentimes I don’t know how a client found me unless I go out of my way to ask, or they mention a special that I advertise on only one ad. Oftentimes the client is uncomfortable asking for what they really want. I do it all, from full service escort work to clothed, professional therapeutic only massage. Most of my clients fall on a spectrum in between those two ends. I’ve yet to have a complaint about me answering the door naked. Very few are wanting the prudish end of the spectrum, but I have great therapeutic skills, and my clients find value in that aspect and keep coming back to enjoy the value-added erotic aspects. I deliver whatever my clients need. I just wish more would be upfront about their wants and needs.

My base massage rates include erotic elements (if the client wants them) for the same price as a strictly therapeutic massage. Not everyone on MF is this way. I would expect it to be more universal on RM, but it’s not always the case either. I think of my service as a value-added proposition. Clients who want much more than massage can hire me for that. All they have to do is ask, and I’ll quote it. The benefit with me is you get an excellent massage no matter what. Unless you just want escort services, which is fine too!

[rojjodc]

Thanks for the info, Simon.  Quick question on RM, do they charge extra for specific word, multiple locations, etc listings or inclusions in their search menu?  For example, since I live in the south Florida, I notice that I may see some providers listed only in Ft Lauderdale, but others listed in multiple nearby cities, such as FTL, Wilton Manors, Hollywood, etc.  I also noticed that if I do a word search like "daddy," it seems that I don't necessarily get all providers that may consider themselves daddy types, and I get more providers if I do search for "dad" versus "daddy".  

[Simon Suraci]

On 3/13/2024 at 1:25 PM, rojjodc said:

Thanks for the info, Simon.  Quick question on RM, do they charge extra for specific word, multiple locations, etc listings or inclusions in their search menu?  For example, since I live in the south Florida, I notice that I may see some providers listed only in Ft Lauderdale, but others listed in multiple nearby cities, such as FTL, Wilton Manors, Hollywood, etc.  I also noticed that if I do a word search like "daddy," it seems that I don't necessarily get all providers that may consider themselves daddy types, and I get more providers if I do search for "dad" versus "daddy".  

@rojjodc Here is a snapshot showing travel location options. With the Gold membership tier, I can advertise in up to 6 cities at once, each for a maximum of 30 days, and the dates can be in sequence, but not overlap by more than one day ie Dallas in the morning of 3/16 and Austin in the evening of 3/16.

With a basic membership, I can advertise up to 3 cities. Some of your providers will advertise in multiple cities, some will not. There is a time limit though, so they may not be re-listing after the time lapses.

FYI, I only list in other cities I am for sure visiting for a specific length of time, with travel and accommodations booked before I even advertise. Not everyone is that way. It’s common for a provider to list a travel city with a date range to see what interest he can attract to help him decide if he wants to actually visit the city. This behavior is really annoying and frustrating for clients because it leads to a lot of wasted client time, but it’s a thing. Fortunately a lot of times these “tentative” trips lead to actual booked trips and you would never know the difference. The point is to avoid spending time and money traveling to a new destination and not getting any work and eat a net loss for that trip.

Some of your guys may list nearby cities in the same way we can list  “nearby travel” destinations on RentMen. Key difference here is RentMen allows you to list those nearby travel locations indefinitely, whereas RentMasseur designs their interface for masseurs actively traveling to other destinations and presumably staying there for one or more nights. The dates cannot overlap. You could basically make a bogus schedule in sequence to advertise in each nearby location. It doesn’t matter to RentMen if you’re listing 20 miles away or 2000 from your home city. Same setup. Some providers list nearby travel destinations in their ad text. Or they periodically list nearby locations in their travel schedule, only to refresh those with new dates after the 30 day time period expires for each one.

RentMasseur does not charge for specific words or make us select search terms. They just give us space to write ad text. As long as we don’t violate the terms, we can write whatever we want. Your search function may be a matter of how your providers list themselves and what text they choose to feature in their ad. Spelling errors and typos affect hits in searches. A total “daddy” type may not describe himself using that word. Or maybe you view him as a daddy but he doesn’t self identify as a daddy. Or he just doesn’t feature the exact word in his ad text.

RentMen is better at searching for type identifiers and identity terms like twink, bear, otter, daddy, leather, drag queen, trans, etc. The provider would need to select those terms to be featured on their profile, regardless of how closely they fit the term. They could identify as one type or another, but it won’t pop up unless they select the term from a drop down menu.

[rojjodc]

Thanks Simon.