Worst cities to escort

[socurious]

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by socurious

[+ tassojunior]

17 minutes ago, socurious said:

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

at least you're in debt in Canadian dollars

[Danny-Darko]

13 minutes ago, socurious said:

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

The issue with Montreal is that it's a large city with a huge gay community and has many strippers who also escort on the side. Yes, prices have always been lower in Canada allover and that's just the way the market is there. Montreal is also a seasonal place i.e. Gay Pride, Summertime... I remember many of the U.S. escorts used get booked at one of the big-name strip bars and advertise that they would be available while there for privates and escorting. Also strippers do pick up clients while giving shows and private dances and being a headliner from out of town helps. Maybe advertise more and give it some more time to get established and to get a reputation? I know many people just don't bother to write reviews or even fill out surveys so it's nothing personal. And post a link on your profile here to your RM profile here so we can see who you are too! Word of mouth also helps a lot. Good luck!   

[Guest]

Did you put any"feelers" out prior to committing yourself there? I rarely try new cities ( probably to a fault ) where someone doesn't fly me to so I can't speak to "worst" cities, that said, I know how long to stay in the cities I do frequent...

I absolutely hate to hear that you had this experience... it goes directly against what I know is a gross generalization, in that Canada 🍁 cums though... I've only been to Toronto ( to "see" folks )  I was flown to Toronto 5 years ago or so and my host encouraged me to stay longer on my own  to give Torronto a whirl after our weekend. Everyone showed up, I had one person cancel and he paid me anyway ( he insisted ) I ended up telling him that he had a "credit" if he ever was in Southern California. I left Canada thinking that, at least Torronto, people keep their commitments and I can't say I was shocked because when I lived in Palm Springs, every year, I had Canadian snowbird neighbors that were some of  the kindest and friendliest people I've ever met and known. I've always said I'd visit Montreal before I hang it up because I was led to believe it would be equally as good as Torronto... now I'm not so sure.  

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, socurious said:

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

Good grief, that’s got to be annoying for sure. I’m pretty much contending with the same thing, in my area. The flakes ❄️ seem to come in 3s when you need them the least 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

Never been to Canada “officially”, but I have heard Montreal is more French and Toronto more “New Yorkish” I guess? 

That said, clients ask me often what’s my best and worst cities. I always reply: there are non. A City that was great and fully booked on 1 trip, can be dead on the next trip.
 

However I can say: there are some cities I just can’t stand, because the inquiries are usually unreliable or just as you mentioned. For example, in my home market I often have to deal with shit like this: no matter how professional and consistent to following up with them, they always have an excuse.

One person even sent me a deposit last month, but we never got to meet because he was too limited on time. Yet he’s been contacting me for MONTHS trying to plan a booking, but always flakes off.
 

It’s the same thing I was discussing in my “epidemic” thread. I’m trying to take the advice of my fellows and just ignore them, when they come with the non sense. 
 

And then people want to talk about someone needing therapy. No. what we need is more people willing to stand up and hit the picket 🪧 lines like all these other industries are doing, and demand better. No need to ostracize your fellow worker in another city, who may be dealing with a rough patch. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Shawn Monroe]

18 hours ago, socurious said:

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

Sorry that happened to you, I’ve been there. 

some things you can do to minimize losses:

- like @Vin_Marco said, cancel a trip day of / day before if you don’t have a number of confirmed appointments.
Granted not all of us look like Vin and won’t always get flown out, but I know I’ll cancel a trip if I don’t have at least 3 confirmed appointments. That way I’m only out a night hotel stay at most. 
 

- work in cities where you can slightly stand out. As a black male from Texas, I don’t do well in Houston and San Antonio, and do great in austin and dallas. 
 

anyway, that’s how I’ve learned how to minimize some losses when I’ve run into the same issue 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Shawn Monroe said:

Sorry that happened to you, I’ve been there. 

some things you can do to minimize losses:

- like @Vin_Marco said, cancel a trip day of / day before if you don’t have a number of confirmed appointments.
Granted not all of us look like Vin and won’t always get flown out, but I know I’ll cancel a trip if I don’t have at least 3 confirmed appointments. That way I’m only out a night hotel stay at most. 
 

- work in cities where you can slightly stand out. As a black male from Texas, I don’t do well in Houston and San Antonio, and do great in austin and dallas. 
 

anyway, that’s how I’ve learned how to minimize some losses when I’ve run into the same issue 

You're very generous to say that. You look great yourself 🙂 I think we all do better in different cities, that applies to me as well.  We learn pretty quickly how long we can stay in a particular city. I hope I get the good fortune to meet you in person someday. Cheers and good luck to you. 🫂

Edited September 28, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[SirBillybob]

Living here I am not surprised. With ubiquitous strip club options I would estimate having had max 3 ad-based appointments with providers weighed against dozens (likely approaching 100 or more) of private on-site club interaction, to climax, over the past decade. And those very few non-club arrangements were associated with solid recommendations. 

Most recent private dance hook-up sub-90USD and intensely satisfying. He just had to be pried away from a customer talking him up for a good chunk of time, with perhaps a high-yield basis such as being a known regular or making arrangements for a lucrative off-site date. Can’t blame the cock-blocker. What a doll. Ideally, a drink and chat would precede the back room. 

And many more club visits on top of that for face-to-face scanning and vetting, as it is also a viable social outlet for older gay men.

There have been a few top-notch one-time weekend strip club performer visitors over the years that could make good bank if here more permanently. I myself would certainly have repeated. 

You could consider a transient strip club gig, likely requiring some kind of stage audition (non-sexual), eg, with the Campus DJ Gerry (Jerry?), as short-term talent even for a few weekend nights is generally welcome. Complete stage nudity is optional at Campus. Slick dance moves and pole use not essential. My observation this year so far is that most Campus dancers are engaged in some profit for at least part of the weekend 21:00-0:300 shifts. Because they tend to be busy in privates and Campus keeps the stage occupied with the roster cycle the more the roster the merrier. 

Most ad providers would ordinarily not consider private dance customer expectations beyond the scope of comfort. You could fit ad-based trysts into afternoon and early evening. Several local dancers do both. You would not be hassled by club management using your phone pretty much at your leisure. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by SirBillybob

[Jarrod_Uncut]

12 hours ago, Shawn Monroe said:

Sorry that happened to you, I’ve been there. 

some things you can do to minimize losses:

- like @Vin_Marco said, cancel a trip day of / day before if you don’t have a number of confirmed appointments.
Granted not all of us look like Vin and won’t always get flown out, but I know I’ll cancel a trip if I don’t have at least 3 confirmed appointments. That way I’m only out a night hotel stay at most. 
 

- work in cities where you can slightly stand out. As a black male from Texas, I don’t do well in Houston and San Antonio, and do great in austin and dallas. 
 

anyway, that’s how I’ve learned how to minimize some losses when I’ve run into the same issue 

I posted in San Antonio during Craigslist and m4rn time. It was better at that time.

However, most visits were generally starting around $60-$150. At that price, one could stay busy. But when I tried to work up to longer bookings: it just wouldn’t be as busy. 
 

So San Antonio was one of my more challenging cities to live in: Though at least people showed up. If they couldn’t afford it, they would just say it. I was doing higher volume, but it got to be a bit much having ins/outs  of my place all week. I prefer relaxed, planned ahead bookings. I took a lot of last minute stuff back then, and it just didn’t seem like there was much acceptance to higher rates. 
 

And Houston: went for the first time back in May, since 2010. I didn’t plan far enough ahead for a Memorial Day weekend, ended up disappointed. It was great to be in a big real city for a change, but it was just nothing happening on the lines. I gave it two days, and got outta there.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 9/27/2023 at 7:35 PM, socurious said:

I spent 3 days in Montreal and couldn't book anything. The three "clients" I talked to before traveling there were all flakes. People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high. Most wanted to pay the equivalent to 120-150 American dollars when I was charging 250. Also, so many flakes stealing my energy and time to fulfill their fantasy sexting me. It's becoming annoying. At the end I couldn't even cover my spendings in Canadá during my trip. Now I'm in debt. 

By the way: just imagine, what it would be like to have to reside in a market like that. Haven’t been to Montreal so can’t speak on it specifically…but imagine having to experience that all the time. It can do real damage to your biz and patience over time. And it’s easy to be gaslit into believing, you’re not cut out for the biz.
 

I know you spent 3 days there, how far in advance did you post up before arriving? Sometimes it can take advertising for weeks to get the right bookings. That’s why sometimes it can be hard to explain to perspectives in other cities, I’m not there yet. I have to survey the crowd from a distance, before I just up and go someplace.

[+ newatthis]

On 9/27/2023 at 7:35 PM, socurious said:

People in Quebec don't seem to be into hiring escorts it seems. They thought my prices were too high.

Reminds me of a conversation I had around 15 years ago with an absolutely stunning (both body and face) dancer at Campus...I'm guessing, with 70% certainty, that his dancer name was Rafael...he had danced at Stock for a couple of years before he switched to Campus.  I had always viewed him as aloof and unapproachable...my mistake; he turned out to be very friendly.  In any case, we were comfortable enough with each other for him to discuss escorting with me (back then, many dancers were loathe to admit that they escorted).  He told me that he only escorted when he visited the States.  Why?  "If you say $300 to someone from Montreal, he will faint dead away on the floor."

[SirBillybob]

[socurious]

3 hours ago, newatthis said:

"If you say $300 to someone from Montreal, he will faint dead away on the floor."

Yup. It was my experience. Many actually acussed me of being "overpriced", lol.

Heck, I wasn't even asking for 300 but 250 (in American dollars). What is your experience for Toronto btw?

[socurious]

12 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

By the way: just imagine, what it would be like to have to reside in a market like that. Haven’t been to Montreal so can’t speak on it specifically…but imagine having to experience that all the time. It can do real damage to your biz and patience over time. And it’s easy to be gaslit into believing, you’re not cut out for the biz.
 

I know you spent 3 days there, how far in advance did you post up before arriving? Sometimes it can take advertising for weeks to get the right bookings. That’s why sometimes it can be hard to explain to perspectives in other cities, I’m not there yet. I have to survey the crowd from a distance, before I just up and go someplace.

I advertised for nearly a week before traveling there. At first many showed interest based on my interactions on the RM and the visits. But when I was there, nothing, nada. Two of the three "clients" that booked stopped responding. One changed his mind at the last minute saying the he could only pay the equivalent to 130 American dollars. I said no. 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, socurious said:

What is your experience for Toronto btw?

Everyone in Toronto showed up the 3 days that I was on my own. One guy had to cancel. He gave me plenty of notice but he insisted on paying me anyway. I told him not necessary since he didn't cancel last minute ( because he had offered I knew he was good for it and as a result as far as I'm concerned, he's got a credit ☺️ ) 

[socurious]

I've been to both Stock and Campus. Except for 1 or 2, none of the dancers there called my attention. They also seemed super straight (except for one that kept staring at me).

At Campus the staff was rude both time I went there. One of the security guys told me cameras weren't allowed when I was outside the club trying to take a picture of the logo. I was like, umm okay. 

[socurious]

2 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

Everyone in Toronto showed up the 3 days that I was on my own. One guy had to cancel. He gave me plenty of notice but he insisted on paying me anyway. I told him not necessary since he didn't cancel last minute ( because he had offered I knew he was good for it and as a result as far as I'm concerned, he's got a credit ☺️ ) 

Maybe Toronto is a better market compared to Montreal? I get impression Quebec is more conservative than Ontario (or even than the rest of the Canada). I don't know. I'm just speculating. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, socurious said:

Maybe Toronto is a better market compared to Montreal? I get impression Quebec is more conservative than Ontario (or even than the rest of the Canada). I don't know. I'm just speculating. 

I was always told I should defo try Montreal. For me Torronto was beyond good and since I've never been to Montreal in that capacity I can't compare the two. 
I don't have a list of crummy cities but I'm happy to share the cities that keep me busy year after year: 

•Palm Springs ( ad based here but often hidden )

•Los Angeles ( I don't advertise there ) 

•San Diego ( I don't advertise there ) 

The 3 cities above is my weekly and local triangle 
 

Outside of California it's: 

•NYC

•Washington DC

•Houston 

•Dallas

•Boston 

•San Francisco 

•Atlanta 

Consider the cities above. 👍🏽

Edited September 29, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[SirBillybob]

52 minutes ago, socurious said:

Maybe Toronto is a better market compared to Montreal? I get impression Quebec is more conservative than Ontario (or even than the rest of the Canada). I don't know. I'm just speculating. 

In The Village, illegal semi-public transactional sex is facilitated for dozens of punters weekly within a few block radius. Doesn’t get much more liberal than that. Frottage+ is a cottage industry. Some circulating gatekeepers may come across as abrasive in keeping the house party afloat but that yard guard dog-grade village hyper vigilance tracks in this context. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by SirBillybob

[+ newatthis]

3 hours ago, SirBillybob said:

The "Raphael" on this list is definitely not the one I wrote about (who may not, as I said, have been called Rafael).  My "Rafael" had already stopped dancing by the time Alfie and Mam showed up at Stock.

[socurious]

1 hour ago, Vin_Marco said:

I was always told I should defo try Montreal. For me Torronto was beyond good and since I've never been to Montreal in that capacity I can't compare the two. 
I don't have a list of crummy cities but I'm happy to share the cities that keep me busy year after year: 

•Palm Springs ( ad based here but often hidden )

•Los Angeles ( I don't advertise there ) 

•San Diego ( I don't advertise there ) 

The 3 cities above is my weekly and local triangle 
 

Outside of California it's: 

•NYC

•Washington DC

•Houston 

•Dallas

•Boston 

•San Francisco 

•Atlanta 

Consider the cities above. 👍🏽

 I've been to all of them before except for Palms Springs. I was just visiting though. Thanks. 

D. C. and Boston seem like good markets. I live in NYC right now. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by socurious

[SirBillybob]

2 hours ago, newatthis said:

The "Raphael" on this list is definitely not the one I wrote about (who may not, as I said, have been called Rafael).  My "Rafael" had already stopped dancing by the time Alfie and Mam showed up at Stock.

You are likely quite right. I cannot place “R” although I was very regularly at the 2 clubs from 2004 and on. Alfie was exactly age 20 fifteen years ago. I am pretty sure that Alfie had rolled in to Stock with a buddy, also from Hungary, in their early 20s. In any case the friend danced for 2 summers and was in university, but Alfie stayed.

Edited September 30, 2023 by SirBillybob

[Jarrod_Uncut]

7 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

cities that keep me busy year after year: 

•Palm Springs ( ad based here but often hidden )

•Los Angeles ( I don't advertise there ) 

•San Diego ( I don't advertise there ) 

The 3 cities above is my weekly and local triangle 
 

Outside of California it's: 

•NYC

•Washington DC

•Houston 

•Dallas

•Boston 

•San Francisco 

•Atlanta 

Consider the cities above. 👍🏽

Great list, I started to do the same. Curious about when you say you don’t advertise there: are these regular/former clients you refer to, where you used to advertise? 
 

I know all those cities you mentioned are big markets. I’m surprised you didn’t say Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Chicago, Seattle, or Las Vegas. 
 

I know for me, I don’t always seem to get the hits in those bigger cities. But like @Shawn Monroe mentioned, sometimes as a black provider, it matters where I go. After spending 2-3 weeks in San Diego earlier this year, I found Los Angeles to be too overcrowded. Lots of Black providers with big dicks. San Diego was better, but I had to advertise there for a whole week before I got my first client, and then I had 3 back to back. 0 to $1,000 in no time lol. 

Palm Springs, I tried to go but all the hotels were $200-$400 a night. I started to post up in the nearby casinos, but I was running out of time.

I find I do best in; smaller enclave cities that aren’t so frequented. Tucson in Arizona, Santa Fe in New México, Oklahoma (though it’s not as busy like it used to be when I would go years show), Salt Lake City; Boise, Idaho…

Even when I lived in Florida: I would skip the usual Miami/Wilton Manors and go for Naples, Sarasota, St. Augustine, even north central Florida. So many people go to the big cities, and only the biggest muscle guys and dicks can make it in those lol.

Edited September 30, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Great list, I started to do the same. Curious about when you say you don’t advertise there: are these regular/former clients you refer to, where you used to advertise? 

Correct... in those 3 cities ( PS, LA, and SD ) I've cultivated a rather long list of wonderful people I've seen for years and continue to see. I'm hosted in all 3 cities ( I see them in their homes or their hotels, allowing me to have not had to stay or pay for hotels. My only overhead is the cost of gas which I never pin on any one person... I take it upon myself to make the trips really worthwhile...Of course we all need to keep meeting new people but I've not had to meet them as often as someone might think. I never take for granted that I can be equally discerning about who I see in the same way a client can pick and choose who he sees. The same applies to places like NYC and Dallas... I'm there A LOT more than I advertise in those cities. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

Correct... in those 3 cities ( PS, LA, and SD ) I've cultivated a rather long list of wonderful people I've seen for years and continue to see. I'm hosted in all 3 cities ( I see them in their homes, allowing me to have not had to stay or pay for hotels. My only overhead is the cost of gas which I never pin on any one person... I take it upon myself to make the trips really worthwhile...Of course we all need to keep meeting new people but I've not had to meet them as often as someone might think. I never take for granted that I can be equally discerning about who I see in the same way a client can pick and choose who he sees. The same applies to places like NYC and Dallas... I'm there A LOT than I advertise in those cities. 

Ah okay, great. Yeah having clients who can host and are regulars can be of benefit. And Palm Springs/Los Angeles and SD are all within a Tank away (though still not cheap at $6 a gallon if that’s what it is out there).