ESCORT DISCLOSES POSITIVE HIV STATUS ON PUBLIC FORUM BUT NOT TO CLIENTS

[Luv2play]

8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

This is the most realistic statement.

And it's why clients MUST ALWAYS TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN HEALTH.  You cannot assume there's someone else out there who will have your best interests at heart.

If you're going to dabble in M4M sex, you have to understand the risks.  There's little excuse in this medical day-and-age as to why someone wouldn't have every tool at their disposal to remain HIV- and healthy.

Condoms, PrEP, Doxy, etc.  Clients have options.  Use any or all of them.

I would add that in this medical day-and-age there is no reason why someone who is HIVpos and on ART cannot remain healthy and not be a threat to his sexual partners. With the caveat he should be open to them about his HIV status.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Only among escorts?

Obviously not only, but almost certainly more common. It does say something when there's a long line of escorts here laughing at the victim. 

[+ purplekow]

Clearly the escort in question was not taking all precautions in his own life.  Why would you expect him to take all precautions with your life?   It would be wonderful if this escort said, I do not want anyone to have the feeling that I had when I found out especially if I am the cause.   That compassionate attitude would probably make the escort a better escort and a better person.  Unfortunately, not all of us are better people.  Still, the escort does in fact have the responsibility to inform those he potentially infected.  This is true to HIV and GC and Syphilis and in some states it is a statute that you need to do so.  The Department of Health will ask the questions, why not answer them truthfully?

[+ nycman]

7 hours ago, Quincy_7 said:

Either wrap up or go on prep.

…..or both. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

at the victim

You keep talking about the victim, and that is fine. The issue is making the escort the victimizer, when he is not. 

[maninsoma]

There is merit to both sides of this argument.  Clients are responsible for making decisions to protect their own health.  That being said, I think it's pretty sad that so many people have an attitude that escorts as business people are free to misrepresent their services in any number of ways (not just HIV status) and that if a client made decisions based on misrepresentations on the part of the provider it's his fault for being lazy/stupid/careless/whatever.  I would hope that most providers who post here want to create a public image of treating clients ethically and generally being honest about the services they provide. 

[+ Lucky]

Let's face it. If an escort says that he is HIV+, he will then lose a segment of the clients who think safe sex is just avoiding an escort with HIV. So the escort does not have an incentive to state that he is HIV+.

As mentioned above, a person who takes care of his HIV status to keep the virus undetectable cannot transmit the virus.

[Rod Hagen]

It's easy to say that men who have sex with men should assume that every man has some communicable condition of some sort, and make the appropriate decisions regarding intimacy. 

It's easy to say, and it's true....for men with some experience.

Given that a big part of many, friendly, escorts' business involves spending time with very, sometimes totally, inexperienced men, if an escort knows he has a communicable condition (Coldsore, a cold, HIV), he should take the simple precautions on his new friend's behalf.

I would put some burden on clients who are experienced and savvy, but the naive ones need guidance.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Rod Hagen

[+ Lucky]

1 hour ago, Rod Hagen said:

It's easy to say that men who have sex with men should assume that every man has some communicable condition of some sort, and make the appropriate decisions regarding intimacy. 

It's easy to say, and it's true....for men with some experience.

Given that a big part of many, friendly, escorts' business involves spending time with very, sometimes totally, inexperienced men, if an escort knows he has a communicable condition (Coldsore, a cold, HIV), he should take the simple precautions on his new friend's behalf.

I would put some burden on clients who are experienced and savvy, but the naive ones need guidance.

[BuffaloKyle]

I always assume the provider can have some sort of disease or infection. Even if he gets a negative hiv and std test it can take weeks for something to show up. And all the while he is still having sex with multiple partners. You gotta weigh your own personal risk factors and take what precautions you feel appropriate for yourself. 

[Guest]

On 5/15/2022 at 3:48 PM, Unicorn said:

 there's a long line of escorts here laughing at the victim. 

I must have missed that part 

[coriolis888]

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https://www.chamberslawfirmca.com/can-you-be-arrested-for-not-disclosing-your-hiv-positive-status-to-a-sexual-partner/

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[CuriousByNature]

Perhaps this is not such a black and white, clear-cut issue.  There are a number of factors that would need to be known before a judgement against either party should be made, IMHO. 

Foremost, did the individual demonstrate intent to infect others?  Did he knowingly assure people that he was healthy and discourage safer sex practices despite knowing he was infectious?

Or did he think or assume he was undetectable?  Or perhaps had he been undetectable and then become detectable again for whatever reason? 

The individual who contracted HIV is ultimately responsible for their own sexual health, but accurately assessing the level of risk in any given situation requires knowing the facts, and trusting that the person giving you the necessary information can be trusted.  

The provider in this case does not seem to be a very trustworthy person, particularly if he knew he was not undetectable.  And the client was either too trusting of someone they hardly knew, or perhaps, was willing to assume a much higher level of risk than he should have.

Thankfully these days, neither has to pay for this with their lives.

Edited May 18, 2022 by CuriousByNature

[marylander1940]

On 5/15/2022 at 9:07 AM, LookingAround said:

Ans you (meaning the consumer—not you personally) think this is uncommon?

I guess disclosing his status would have been the right thing to do but bad for business. PrEP as an alternative has been a game changer but only in recent years it has become popular. 

[marylander1940]

On 5/15/2022 at 11:34 AM, José Soplanucas said:

You keep bringing that silly analogy. On one hand, if I am a shopper so stupid that I take mink for bunny based in the word of the seller, indeed I am to blame. On the other hand, it is a fact that you would be scamming me; it is not a fact that this escort is the one who infected your friend.

Your silly analogy is completely irrelevant.

Fraud is fraud... lying about your own health and endangering others is wrong. 

[coriolis888]

It Can Still Be a Crime to Intentionally Infect Someone with HIV

You’ll note that we mentioned it is no longer a felony but that does not mean that it is not a crime. According to the California Penal Code, it is a misdemeanor offense to have unprotected sex without telling the other party about an STD – but only if there is the intent to infect the other person.

If the person is then actually infected, the punishment can include up to six months in jail and fines of as much as $1,000. If the attempt is not successful and the infectious disease is not transmitted, then the maximum sentence is 90 days in jail.

A Person Can Still Face a Civil Case

While it might not be a felony, a plaintiff can sue the defendant for damages if certain elements are present. Namely, the defendant must have owed the plaintiff a legal duty of care, the defendant must have been negligent, and their negligence must have led to damages suffered by the plaintiff. Once again, this only applies if the defendant intentionally tried to infect their partner.