Isn't 400 dollars for a hour too much for New York standards?

[HoseMaster]

Just now, HoseMaster said:

I would have to debate that one.  I highly doubt the average rate in New York was $300 twenty years ago.  If you put in the same calculator with a more closer number of the time of $200, it probably shows a little more accurate number:

And then if you asked Drew today (or Bob back then), you’d be…

[xyz48B]

I order to rent a studio apartment in Boston, I heard the local NPR report, pre-pandemic, you needed a salary of $72k per year. Granted, Boston isn’t a huge city, and a lot of folks who live around it in surrounding towns don’t make that much or need to, but Boston proper is hellish expensive to live.

It’s also worth pointing out that due to inflation, someone who’s salary was able to handle extras maybe 20 years ago can’t now. Pay has not kept up with costs.

[Lazarus]

3 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Bottom line, not everyone can afford everything.  That's life.  Those who can, do and will.

Don't shit on people who pay less and, conversely, don't shit on people who pay more.  Same goes for escorts and their rates.  If it's not to your liking, just move on.  Have some couth.  Don't belittle.

A lot of the posts on this thread say more about the poster than the original question.

Perhaps you should make this part of your signature…so you don’t have to keep repeating it :

“A lot of the posts on this thread say more about the poster than the original question”.

I guess you consider yourself some moral authority. 

[xyz48B]

8 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

I guess you consider yourself some moral authority.

There’s a lot of those here.

Some people here make sweeping statements and we take it as immutable gospel. Others of us can say the sky is blue and there’d be 50 ready to explain why we’re in error.

[+ José Soplanucas]

16 hours ago, goosh69 said:

Get over it.

Allow me to try it with more realistic parameters. 

The inflation argument, I think, is BS. However, I do think that escorts have the right to charge whatever they want, for any reasons they have. If a client does not like it or cannot afford it, move on or work on improving your income.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I find hilarious all the whiners complaining about others pretending to be "moral authorities", while they feel entitle to have authority to tell sex workers how much they should charge, or how they should run their business.

[xyz48B]

14 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

The inflation argument, I think, is BS.

Inflation is really more of an issue for businesses who provide products, not services. That isn’t to say that service providers don’t need products, but rising costs are more directly passed along in products.

[socurious]

4 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Source (2018):

https://www.6sqft.com/a-salary-of-58450-or-less-annually-is-considered-low-income-in-the-new-york-metro-area/

I'm poor then 🥲

[xyz48B]

6 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Bottom line, not everyone can afford everything.  That's life.  Those who can, do and will.

@nycboi– If you’re poor, popular opinion here is that you shouldn’t be here. This is a rich man’s sport! Now take your things (if you have them) and go eat your gruel…It’s life.

[socurious]

4 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

@nycboi– If you’re poor, popular opinion here is that you shouldn’t be here. This is a rich man’s sport! Now take your things (if you have them) and go eat your gruel…It’s life.

So harsh 🥲🥲

[xyz48B]

39 minutes ago, nycboi said:

So harsh 🥲🥲

 

You can always entertain yourself with some sticks in the backyard. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

49 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

@nycboi– If you’re poor, popular opinion here is that you shouldn’t be here. This is a rich man’s sport! Now take your things (if you have them) and go eat your gruel…It’s life.

Where did you get that from? No one here said that there is no price range other than 400s. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

19 hours ago, goosh69 said:

Get over it.

 

You want to play with economic data? Below is the very reason I felt 300/hr was too much before the pandemic:

 

Anesthesiologist
Average base pay: $164 per hour

Orthodontist
Average base pay: $118 per hour

Psychiatrist
Average base pay: $103 per hour

Commercial pilot
Average base pay: $50 per hour 

U.S. Marine Corps officer
Average base pay: $42 per hour

 

These are from 9 months ago, so feel free to adjust for inflation.

 

[xyz48B]

4 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

 

You want to play with economic data? Below is the very reason I felt 300/hr was too much before the pandemic:

 

Anesthesiologist
Average base pay: $164 per hour

Orthodontist
Average base pay: $118 per hour

Psychiatrist
Average base pay: $103 per hour

Commercial pilot
Average base pay: $50 per hour 

U.S. Marine Corps officer
Average base pay: $42 per hour

 

These are from 9 months ago, so feel free to adjust for inflation.

 

🤫 

We can’t compare escorting to another profession! Escorting is without peer! 

[xyz48B]

10 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

Where did you get that from? No one here said that there is no price range other than 400s. 

It’s implied if you feel it’s unreasonable you’re an asshole and should shut up. Hell. Sometimes it’s said…not even implied.

And the question is if it’s the new “normal,” asking if it’s the new relative reasonable expectation. I’ve read little here to suggest that guys don’t think it’s not at least tending that way.

The problem isn’t so much that clients here have a problem with $400/hr. Those of us here are probably over-informed. But the guy who’s just dabbling can be taken advantage of. And that’s unfair. And it says a lot about the escorts here who would defend that unfairness as legit just because the escort can dupe some schmuck. Instead of calling out bad practice of their “coworkers,” they let it fly,  shrug it off, or even will attempt to justify it somehow.

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

 

You want to play with economic data? Below is the very reason I felt 300/hr was too much before the pandemic:

 

Anesthesiologist
Average base pay: $164 per hour

Orthodontist
Average base pay: $118 per hour

Psychiatrist
Average base pay: $103 per hour

Commercial pilot
Average base pay: $50 per hour 

U.S. Marine Corps officer
Average base pay: $42 per hour

 

These are from 9 months ago, so feel free to adjust for inflation.

 

Your data is not relevant. In most of the professions in that list there is a huge range in income. There are many professionals earning significantly less or significantly more, as the base pays in the list are averages. 

You cannot compare that against an escort asking for 400. It is not an average fee. If anyone here knows what the sex worker average earning is, I want to know them because they have access to sources no one knows.

If an orthodontist asks you for 300 per hour, you just move on to another more affordable professional. Prices not always have to do with quality, and there are excellent orthodontist in all price ranges, as well as quite bad ones. Professional sex workers are not different. 

Just treat your relationship with sex workers the same way you treat any other service. Find the good ones that you can afford, or find comfortable investing in. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 hours ago, xyz48B said:

It’s implied if you feel it’s unreasonable you’re an asshole and should shut up. Hell. Sometimes it’s said…not even implied.

And the question is if it’s the new “normal,” asking if it’s the new relative reasonable expectation. I’ve read little here to suggest that guys don’t think it’s not at least tending that way.

The problem isn’t so much that clients here have a problem with $400/hr. Those of us here are probably over-informed. But the guy who’s just dabbling can be taken advantage of. And that’s unfair. And it says a lot about the escorts here who would defend that unfairness as legit just because the escort can dupe some schmuck. Instead of calling out bad practice of their “coworkers,” they let it fly,  shrug it off, or even will attempt to justify it somehow.

 

The landscape of escorting is much larger than the little picture you are looking at. In this forums the prices discussed are mostly Rentmen standard, not the highest end, but quite high. This forum is not representative of the whole world of escorting, and those posters who are actually "over-informed" know that. 

If you like driving, and join a club where everyone drives Ferraris, and you cannot afford it, you do not start bitching about it. Instead, you get a Honda Civic, which is an excellent car.

 

[xyz48B]

11 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

Your data is not relevant.

Called it!

[xyz48B]

3 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

If you like driving, and join a club where everyone drives Ferraris, and you cannot afford it, you do not start bitching about it. Instead, you get a Honda Civic, which is an excellent car.

I don’t know what clubs you belong to, but one of the favorite pastimes of the guys in the club I’m part of it kvetching about how expensive things are getting. People love to bitch about that.

[+ José Soplanucas]

41 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

I don’t know what clubs you belong to, but one of the favorite pastimes of the guys in the club I’m part of it kvetching about how expensive things are getting. People love to bitch about that.

Oh. Sorry, I over estimated you.

 

Moderator note: Alright gentlemen, let's stop the sniping and play nice, else this thread will need to be closed.

[handiacefailure]

I miss the days when escort listed their rates and if the rate was too high I wouldn't waste their time or mine contacting them.

An escort can ask and I've had a couple quote me that and I simply don't respond or just tell them it's out of my price range and thanks for the response.   I've had a couple try negotiating with me and I just ignore those responses.  

If I were going to pay that there's no way I would tip or pay the uber fare.

Seeing my lawyer's bill rate is only $350 an hour and he has a lot of overheard and his income is taxed, I think $400 is a lot seeing they have no overheard other than a rentman ad and chances are they aren't claiming the income on their taxes.  

[xyz48B]

5 minutes ago, handiacefailure said:

An escort can ask and I've had a couple quote me that and I simply don't respond or just tell them it's out of my price range and thanks for the response.   I've had a couple try negotiating with me and I just ignore those responses.  

I find the negotiating after the initial decline on my part a bit offensive. If you can do less, why’d you quote more at the outset? I can see the client wanting to see if he can bring it down, but when he says it’s too much, how come the escort can come down? If he can do less, he should quote that to begin with.

[Chance]

On 3/1/2022 at 9:26 PM, Enronnja said:

Its called being greedy. Its also a sign they are not getting enough clients. I have spoken to providers who say they way more than their day job and they charge 300. I know another one that does 250 and he's living in a really nice apartment in Miami and going to college.

Rising rates are driven by rising demand 

it’s economics not greed 

[+ bigjoey]

21 minutes ago, Chance said:

Rising rates are driven by rising demand 

it’s economics not greed 

Not so sure about rising demand but certainly by rising costs incurred by the escort.

[HoseMaster]

15 minutes ago, Chance said:

Rising rates are driven by rising demand 

it’s economics not greed 

For some, there is greed….

I saw a newbie back in January that only wanted $200 for the hour.  When I asked him what he wanted for an overnight, he said “How about $600?”  Of course I took him up on his offer, and he was great, and saw him multiple times already. God forbid I put him in touch with some of the “economists” on here and have them tell him he is selling himself short.  They’d probably tell him, “You could get three times that amount kid!”