Too Many 'Money Up Front' Horror Stories Lately.......A Remedy??

[rn901]

9 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Not a good marketing technique for a provider. 

Insulting clients will get you no where.  

I'm not on here to market myself. Saying providers should hold no views of their own is not a good way to keep people in the business longer than the average 1-2 years or developing your own social skills with them. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by rn901

[coriolis888]

On 10/22/2021 at 6:39 PM, Lazarus said:

This poster sounds just like another poster from SF that claimed to be a “hole trainer” or something like that. 🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄

Similar attitude

[rn901]

1 hour ago, coriolis888 said:

Similar attitude

Get use to it

[+ RJD]

8 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Not a good marketing technique for a provider. 

Insulting clients will get you no where.  

He's not marketing himself on here, thus the reason for the multiple screen personas.  He's just here to stir the shit and be edgy.  If he genuinely believed in his position and that his business practices or attitude were not damaging his reputation, he'd post under his professional name and promote his ad. 

On 10/22/2021 at 9:39 PM, Lazarus said:

This poster sounds just like another poster from SF that claimed to be a “hole trainer” or something like that. 🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄

8 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Similar attitude

 

[rn901]

1 hour ago, RJD said:

He's not marketing himself on here, thus the reason for the multiple screen personas.  He's just here to stir the shit and be edgy.  If he genuinely believed in his position and that his business practices or attitude were not damaging his reputation, he'd post under his professional name and promote his ad. 

 

So are you posting under your real name any time soon? Okay so you have one set of standards for providers and another set of standards for yourself? I would imagine that's something pretty regular with you. Why shouldn't a provider have the right to anonymity on here as any client? In fact I have also been a client a few times myself. So how does your double standard work when one has experienced both sides of the business: being a provider and a client? How ridiculous. What you don't like is a provider having the freedom to push back just as much as you do (under one screen persona I might add). Well too bad. That's not how the real world works outside your couple of hours of paying someone to nod their head in agreement to everything you say.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by rn901

[xyz48B]

11 hours ago, rn901 said:

The differences between escorting and those industries only strengthen the rationalizations for upfront payments, not lessen them. It is a more intimate job, it does require more emotional labor, it does require one giving access to their body and it does come with more risks. How any of that lessens the case why some providers are asking payments upfront has yet to be made. If a hotel, housing contractor or freelancer has a case for asking for upfront payment, an escort has an even stronger one. I'll say that as one who doesn't practice such a policy themselves, but who can get where others are coming from. Try it sometime. 

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, rn901 said:

So are you posting under your real name any time soon? Okay so you have one set of standards for providers and another set of standards for yourself? I would imagine that's something pretty regular with you. Why shouldn't a provider have the right to anonymity on here as any client? In fact I have also been a client a few times myself. So how does your double standard work when one has experienced both sides of the business: being a provider and a client? How ridiculous. What you don't like is a provider having the freedom to push back just as much as you do (under one screen persona I might add). Well too bad. That's not how the real world works outside your couple of hours of paying someone to nod their head in agreement to everything you say.  

I’d like to know who you are so I can avoid hiring you.

That’s all.

If you’d act differently as a provider if we knew what your contact details were than you are acting now when we don’t know what your contact details are, I don’t know that I’d feel totally safe around you. I’d have to be wary the whole time in the back of mind if duplicity is afoot.

And just like you as a provider want assurances, we as clients want assurances. If you’re saying baring yourself intimately is somehow upping the ante such that we should be willing to expect to meet higher demands than we would from other service providers, then you as an escort have to be willing to meet us and provide assurances not expected of other service providers. Withholding even the basic means of keeping you accountable as a provider on this site makes me question how trustworthy you are in said intimate situations. The basic minimum for providers is that they provide a means to accountability to clients to prove they’re to some degree accountable for their actions. What you say here as a purported escort (how do we know that to be true even?) is irresponsible insofar as there’s no way we can search “401 rn901” and get info on you to determine if we should consider you a reputable, trustworthy provider. No profile links. Nothing. Yet I’m supposed to feel good about giving you a deposit if I should approach you for services? 🤔 

[rn901]

5 hours ago, xyz48B said:

I’d like to know who you are so I can avoid hiring you.

That’s all.

If you’d act differently as a provider if we knew what your contact details were than you are acting now when we don’t know what your contact details are, I don’t know that I’d feel totally safe around you. I’d have to be wary the whole time in the back of mind if duplicity is afoot.

And just like you as a provider want assurances, we as clients want assurances. If you’re saying baring yourself intimately is somehow upping the ante such that we should be willing to expect to meet higher demands than we would from other service providers, then you as an escort have to be willing to meet us and provide assurances not expected of other service providers. Withholding even the basic means of keeping you accountable as a provider on this site makes me question how trustworthy you are in said intimate situations. The basic minimum for providers is that they provide a means to accountability to clients to prove they’re to some degree accountable for their actions. What you say here as a purported escort (how do we know that to be true even?) is irresponsible insofar as there’s no way we can search “401 rn901” and get info on you to determine if we should consider you a reputable, trustworthy provider. No profile links. Nothing. Yet I’m supposed to feel good about giving you a deposit if I should approach you for services? 🤔 

You need not worry about ever hiring me. I'd be able to detect your approach and mindset to this work within a few sentences and I would stay far away. Such is how I've been able to do it for 10 years with an ample amount of regulars not including you. My right to my own discretion on who I meet is one of my favorite things about the job  

Edited October 24, 2021 by rn901

[rn901]

5 hours ago, xyz48B said:

I’d like to know who you are so I can avoid hiring you.

That’s all.

If you’d act differently as a provider if we knew what your contact details were than you are acting now when we don’t know what your contact details are, I don’t know that I’d feel totally safe around you. I’d have to be wary the whole time in the back of mind if duplicity is afoot.

And just like you as a provider want assurances, we as clients want assurances. If you’re saying baring yourself intimately is somehow upping the ante such that we should be willing to expect to meet higher demands than we would from other service providers, then you as an escort have to be willing to meet us and provide assurances not expected of other service providers. Withholding even the basic means of keeping you accountable as a provider on this site makes me question how trustworthy you are in said intimate situations. The basic minimum for providers is that they provide a means to accountability to clients to prove they’re to some degree accountable for their actions. What you say here as a purported escort (how do we know that to be true even?) is irresponsible insofar as there’s no way we can search “401 rn901” and get info on you to determine if we should consider you a reputable, trustworthy provider. No profile links. Nothing. Yet I’m supposed to feel good about giving you a deposit if I should approach you for services? 🤔 

I think I've made it abundantly clear I have no interest advertising or making income from this site. No one would pay me a deposit because that's not why I'm on this forum. I'm not taking clients from here. I simply felt a more critical perspective from that of a provider has been long needed on here, LONG NEEDED, so I'm chiming in every now and then whether you like it or not. As stated, I'm also a client as well as a provider. So you're just going to have to deal with me having as much right to privacy as you. Too bad, too sad. It's a new day kids!  

Edited October 24, 2021 by rn901

[+ RJD]

7 hours ago, rn901 said:

So are you posting under your real name any time soon? Okay so you have one set of standards for providers and another set of standards for yourself? I would imagine that's something pretty regular with you. Why shouldn't a provider have the right to anonymity on here as any client? In fact I have also been a client a few times myself. So how does your double standard work when one has experienced both sides of the business: being a provider and a client? How ridiculous. What you don't like is a provider having the freedom to push back just as much as you do (under one screen persona I might add). Well too bad. That's not how the real world works outside your couple of hours of paying someone to nod their head in agreement to everything you say.  

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9 hours ago, RJD said:

If he genuinely believed in his position and that his business practices or attitude were not damaging his reputation, he'd post under his professional name and promote his ad. 

Uh, no, that's why I said "professional name."

You have every right to your opinions.  It's how you express them that comes across as arrogant and flippant.  You could just as easily explain yourself in a rational, mature manner without the insults.  But you don't.  You resort to smugness and chest-thumping. 

If you feel you're at a disadvantage because you don't know my screen name in RentMen where I might find my "couple hours of paying someone to nod their head in agreement to everything I say," I'll be glad to provide that ID so you can throw a block on me.  But you really have nothing to worry about.  I assure you; I'll never be contacting you for your services. 

7 hours ago, rn901 said:

(under one screen persona I might add). 

On 6/30/2021 at 3:14 PM, HoleTrainer said:

Do you feel the same way when your surgeon, masseuse, gym trainer, or any other professional out there who bills on a per-session basis requires a deposit?  Or is this a special business standard that you reserve exclusively for sex workers?

7 hours ago, rn901 said:

Okay so you have one set of standards for providers and another set of standards for yourself? 

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, rn901 said:

I think I've made it abundantly clear I have no interest advertising or making income from this site. No one would pay me a deposit because that's not why I'm on this forum. I'm not taking clients from here. I simply felt a more critical perspective from that of a provider has been long needed on here, LONG NEEDED, so I'm chiming in every now and then whether you like it or not. As stated, I'm also a client as well as a provider. So you're just going to have to deal with me having as much right to privacy as you. Too bad, too sad. It's a new day kids!  

I don’t give one itoa of an infinitesimal f*ck what ridiculous mental trapeze justifications you make for your bizarre, warped views. I thought I politely made that clear here and before. Clearly either I am insane or you are for continued interaction. But here – you are categorically wrong in your approach no matter your contorted babble. Selah! Don’t force me to reply again to your craziness! 

[Lazarus]

Trust me…if you knew who this was I doubt you’d have any interest whatsoever in hiring him. 

[rn901]

2 minutes ago, RJD said:

Uh, no, that's why I said "professional name."

You have every right to your opinions.  It's how you express them that comes across as arrogant and flippant.  You could just as easily explain yourself in a rational, mature manner without the insults.  But you don't.  You resort to smugness and chest-thumping. 

If you feel you're at a disadvantage because you don't know my screen name in RentMen where I might find my "couple hours of paying someone to nod their head in agreement to everything I say," I'll be glad to provide that ID so you can throw a block on me.  But you really have nothing to worry about.  I assure you; I'll never be contacting you for your services. 

 

Responding to a provider offering a critical perspective, that they're not "advertising correctly" or that they'll lose clients for dissenting or that they're just here to stir trouble or that their attitude is this or that provider from this or that city or that they should be subjected to different standards than other anonymous profiles on here are, isn't expressing opinions in a rational non-insulting manner either. You've attempted to shut me down since I first came on here and you're just going have to deal with me. Nothing I have said has been more insulting than what is regularly espoused by you and others.

 

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"I don’t give one itoa of an infinitesimal f*ck what ridiculous mental trapeze justifications you make for your bizarre, warped views. I thought I politely made that clear here and before. Clearly either I am insane or you are for continued interaction. But here – you are categorically wrong in your approach no matter your contorted babble. Selah! Don’t force me to reply again to your craziness! "

Ah such rational mature non-insulting discourse. May the double standards continue. 

[rn901]

11 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Trust me…if you knew who this was I doubt you’d have any interest whatsoever in hiring him. 

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Edited October 25, 2021 by rn901

[rn901]

Where is the overabundance of providers freely openly offering their points of view? There's a handful at most on here. 

[+ glutes]

If rn901 is the Hole Whisperer, I don't think I want his fist up my ass.

[rn901]

5 minutes ago, glutes said:

If rn901 is the Hole Whisperer, I don't think I want his fist up my ass.

No worries. Fisting ain't my thing. Fisting and clients who resent providers being able to talk back. 

Edited October 25, 2021 by rn901

[Alex93108]

1 hour ago, rn901 said:

Where is the overabundance of providers freely openly offering their points of view? There's a handful at most on here. 

I wish we had more. Mainly so I can be a better client …in all aspects j

[funvolta]

The remedy is very simple. No $ before the meeting. Never. Period 

[xyz48B]

Do I hear a clanging cymbal? 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Who likes pizza?

[xyz48B]

46 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Who likes pizza?

[Leyte2019]

An anticlimactic ending to a spirited discussion gone nasty:

Living up to the reputation of his unflappable, enigmatic avatar, a provider rubbed a few forum clients the wrong way when he refused to play the longstanding game, "The Client's always right" 

Reflecting his avatar's legacy of being the classic provacateur, @rn901shook things up with this gem:  

18 hours ago, rn901 said:

I think I've made it abundantly clear I have no interest advertising or making income from this site. No one would pay me a deposit because that's not why I'm on this forum. I'm not taking clients from here. I simply felt a more critical perspective from that of a provider has been long needed on here, LONG NEEDED, so I'm chiming in every now and then whether you like it or not. As stated, I'm also a client as well as a provider. So you're just going to have to deal with me having as much right to privacy as you. Too bad, too sad. It's a new day kids!  

To which @xyz48Bvolleyed back:

17 hours ago, xyz48B said:

I don’t give one itoa of an infinitesimal f*ck what ridiculous mental trapeze justifications you make for your bizarre, warped views. I thought I politely made that clear here and before. Clearly either I am insane or you are for continued interaction. But here – you are categorically wrong in your approach no matter your contorted babble. Selah! Don’t force me to reply again to your craziness! 

Just as things were headed toward bedlam, @glutessaved the day with

 

16 hours ago, glutes said:

If rn901 is the Hole Whisperer, I don't think I want his fist up my ass.

It wasn't the Vidal-Buckley debacle of 68, which degenerated into insults and resulted in a nearly 40 year feud. But it showed us the dangers of forum members quarreling about deposits, biological or otherwise. 

For the Forum News team, I'm Carlton Cobain.

Edited October 25, 2021 by Leyte2019

[Beancounter]

While this thread has been mildly entertaining I’m reminded as I sit here drinking my morning coffee that it’s time for me to make a required deposit......in the toilet.  You know....the kind of non-monetary deposit that can be flushed away.  Because that’s what this thread has evolved into.....something shitty that needs to be flushed down the toilet.  

And, with, that, I’m off to the loo.  

[maninsoma]

It's pretty clear that no service provider would demand money up front for a small job scheduled for same day or very soon in the future.  Most service providers expect to be paid after they complete their work.  For a larger job -- say a home remodel -- of course a contractor is going to expect to be paid a deposit up front, but we are talking about a job that's going to take many hours/days or perhaps even months. I don't think any client here would expect an escort to travel on their own somewhere for a week long booking with an unknown client and just assume that the client will be there and pay them at the end of the week.  A deposit in that circumstance makes sense, and what form of deposit that is will be negotiated between the client and escort.  Maybe the deposit will simply be the escort's transportation being arranged for him, but if I were a provider I would want more than that and think it's perfectly reasonable to expect some cash payment in advance.  Otherwise, we are mostly talking about clients booking providers for an hour or two.  It's absolutely reasonable for clients to balk at the notion that they need to pay in advance for appointments like this.  However, I haven't seen anyone here saying that an escort isn't within his rights to ask for payment in advance but rather people are just pointing out that an escort with a policy like that will likely lose out on some business.  If the escort is making an amount of income he's comfortable with while having such a policy, then he's obviously figured out that it doesn't matter what the majority of clients here believe.  Good for him.  I think there are just too many stories of clients being ripped off by paying in advance -- yes, mostly with guys without a history of good reviews but every once in a while an established provider who ended up going off the rails for some reason (typically drugs) -- to have most of us embrace the idea that an escort is entitled to payment prior to meeting. 

As to the sensitive nature of this business, that's true in both directions.  It doesn't argue that one side should be given preferential treatment because of the nature of the service being contracted.