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On 10/2/2021 at 4:41 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I have to confess: I’ve never worked or been to New York City before lol. This is from a guy who’s been to all 48 main states except Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. And New York State and the general northeast is still a bit uncharted to me (though I’m excited to try Buffalo this month).

What is shitty about Brooklyn? From a base observation: it seems like it was once maybe a “thuggish” area of NYC (based on hip hop lyrics lol), but seems to have become the next Manhattan now?

 

Brooklyn is a big place so hard to generalize too much but the affluent (to be neutral) neighborhoods have become insufferably privileged. People have 7 day nanny care. You’re as likely to be taken out by a stroller than a truck or taxi. The “you don’t exist brigade” I call them. Manhattan is antiseptic in ways, parts of BK are now just toxic. Pardon the rant!

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28 minutes ago, Charlie said:

I have always wondered why a city the size of Denver seems to have so few escorts.

 

Maybe its easy too get the best stuff for free over there?😀

Speaking as a New Yorker, who lives in the city, I think it takes a certain kind of place to draw demand and supply.  America's purtanical past doesn't help, but also a certain appreciation for beauty and willingness to pay, plus means to pay also. 

This help explain why there are a lot of providers in New York and LA,  London and Paris also. All these cities have the perfect mix of all the factors that "bring the boys to the yard"

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On 10/3/2021 at 12:41 PM, jetlow said:

I’m surprised not a lot of people looking at Santa Fe NM ( lots of money there ) 

There is a lot of money in SF, but it's still a lot of fixed-income money.

SAF is tiny.  The drive to ABQ cumbersome.

I've spent a considerable amount of time in Santa Fe and it's clear the talent is brought in.  If one lived there as an escort, they'd have to deal with a very small town, zero gay social life, expensive living and seasonal dry spells.

As much as I'd love being that close to Ten Thousand Waves and Ojo Caliente, it's a life that would grow boring very, very quickly.  

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16 hours ago, Pensant said:

Problem is that Santa Fe is a very small town, so the client base isn’t big. Phoenix is big but not all that affluent. For example, Nashville has a higher per capita income.

lol funny because I’ve been to all 3 many times over the years, and lived in Nashville.

Santa Fe is small. And like I mentioned earlier, it’s a city that has a very specific culture (green Chile and Adobe Pueblo style EVERYTHING). But Santa Fe also has a fair amount of chain restaurants and it’s really a cute town. Fora week. But it’s just as a Black Gay man…is that something that’s going to be sustainable over the long run? Probably not. Even Albuquerque, which has a bit more Black presence, is still small. 

Phoenix, I really wish it had more to offer, but it’s just…not with the program some days. I even talked to a popular escort who lives there and he agreed the biz sucks there (though he said he gets 1 to 2 clients a day sometimes, but may get no one for a week). It’s also become very saturated, and is pushing at becoming Las Vegas level. Though, Phoenix is still better than Las Vegas to me at least. 
 

Nashville is also very small. In fact Missouri almost reminds me of Tennessee: once you get outside of the 2 main cities, forget it. And Knoxville and the mountains to the east are similar to Branson and Springfield: nice but overall conservative and still not much in the way of money making potential because they simply aren’t big Gay vacation destinations like Palm Springs and Santa Fe. 

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14 hours ago, Charlie said:

I have always wondered why a city the size of Denver seems to have so few escorts.

Wonder no more…

Denver actually has WAY MORE escorts than it used to have. However, if you notice “few”, it’s for good reason: the market can’t support it. Once again, another state that once you get outside of Denver, there’s little to no opportunity to make money. Very conservative North and East of Denver (just farms and ranches or college types), a lot of poverty south of Denver, and mostly just Uber-wealthy seasonals and “visiting the mountains with family” types to the west. 
 

There’s potential in Denver, but it’s nothing like it used to be. After a couple of weeks or months, it’s easy to have run thru the entirety of the market. And the clients there have gotten to be a bit more rude over the years. 

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14 hours ago, jetlow said:

 

Maybe its easy too get the best stuff for free over there?😀

Speaking as a New Yorker, who lives in the city, I think it takes a certain kind of place to draw demand and supply.  America's purtanical past doesn't help, but also a certain appreciation for beauty and willingness to pay, plus means to pay also. 

This help explain why there are a lot of providers in New York and LA,  London and Paris also. All these cities have the perfect mix of all the factors that "bring the boys to the yard"

One thing to bear in mind in 2021, and I tell every client who asks me this:

There is no “best city” anymore. I really don’t even go to the same city back to back at all these days. I’ll go to a city, and then not go for 3, 6, even 12 months. It’s almost imperative to switch it up. Cities everywhere are seeing more providers than what it used to be in 2008-2010 when I started out. Things aren’t as Novel as it used to be, however it doesn’t mean you can’t still make it or have a good time. It’s just that, you can’t go to the same city over and over expect it to be great everytime. 
 

Pretty much the only thing really keeping me afloat in Kansas City and Saint Louis are 2 or 3 select clients who I’ve become “friends” with who also are like “biz partners”. Without that…I woulda abandoned ship 🛳 long ago. 

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2 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

There is a lot of money in SF, but it's still a lot of fixed-income money.

SAF is tiny.  The drive to ABQ cumbersome.

I've spent a considerable amount of time in Santa Fe and it's clear the talent is brought in.  If one lived there as an escort, they'd have to deal with a very small town, zero gay social life, expensive living and seasonal dry spells.

As much as I'd love being that close to Ten Thousand Waves and Ojo Caliente, it's a life that would grow boring very, very quickly.  

Good assessment of Santa Fe. I was imagining the same things. However, when it comes to Gay social life: there does seem to be a handful of guys on the apps. I usually don’t have time to meet anyone off clock when I’m there. 

Should also mention: despite the overall wealth, Santa Fe has a seedy side that’s a bit unsettling for such a small town. I remember one year I had to bunk up at a motel 6 because I arrived so late, and the client wouldn’t come see me (went to him instead). 
 

I also got bummed that after 10 p.m., the city virtually goes to sleep…except the shady characters on the street. 

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On 10/3/2021 at 11:42 AM, Shawn Monroe said:

Both times for my career. 

I left texas because I was more so thrown out. I got laid off, couldn’t find an acceptable position within my salary range in Houston or dallas, and most places in other cities wanted you to live there. I had a colleague in OKC and she brought me on and it worked out. 
 

that’s also when I became a provider.
 

OKC was a decent city and had a little money because of oil and gas. It was also decent for travel as a provider; austin, dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Little Rock, Tulsa, @Jarrod_Uncut’s KCMO were all in a days drive. 
 

but I knew if I was to continue my career it wouldn’t be in OKC so I had to start looking elsewhere. 
 

this time, I did take being a provider into account with the city I was going to move to. While I love Seattle, it’s expensive, not diverse, and you can only drive to Vancouver or Portland. LA was over saturated. 
 

so ATL was the place with enough upward mobility in my career, diversity, with a good airport, and enough business as a provider, with enough cities in a days drive away. 

 

Yeah Seattle is a bit isolated in the big scheme of things, but you can drive to more than Portland or Vancouver lol. Boise Idaho, despite being geographically obscure, has a select scene of hiring going on. San Francisco/NorCal is a good LONG day and a half away lol, but closer than it is from Denver or Kansas City for sure lol.

I used to live in Texas and even though Dallas Houston and San Antonio and Austin were all within orbit, I just couldn’t get it to work out on a regular basis. Houston sometimes would be slow, and the Dallas to San Antonio route felt more like a demolition derby once you got into Austin. Not to mention, the biggest issue is often people thinking that you’re in or available to come to a city TODAY. It’s just not realistic. They see the ad, and think I’m there today. No. Put a conscious effort to request a booking and give me some dates to work with. That’s really the only times it ever worked out with me going between D.H.S. lol. 
 

I’m surprised you found Atlanta to be the sweet spot though. I know it’s a major hub, but I never found it to be to my level of busy out there. It’s almost like a Los Angeles of the South to me (whereas Miami is the Las Vegas of the south lol). But being you went out there for an alternate career and were able to use escort as an accessory, I could see being able to post there for awhile and build up a base. But not the case when just traveling and visiting there.

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Posted
14 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Yeah Seattle is a bit isolated in the big scheme of things, but you can drive to more than Portland or Vancouver lol. Boise Idaho, despite being geographically obscure, has a select scene of hiring going on. San Francisco/NorCal is a good LONG day and a half away lol, but closer than it is from Denver or Kansas City for sure lol.

 

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any time I hear a midwesterner talk about driving and flight times haha. 
 

my point being that I need to drive to cities within a days drive. Driving 12 hours and then working doesn’t sound feasible to me. At that point it’s a flight, and flying with a massage table expensive and cumbersome. That’s why I like atlanta in that there are enough cities around that are within a 6 hour drive. And when business gets slow in town I can plan a trip elsewhere. 

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2 hours ago, Shawn Monroe said:

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any time I hear a midwesterner talk about driving and flight times haha. 
 

my point being that I need to drive to cities within a days drive. Driving 12 hours and then working doesn’t sound feasible to me. At that point it’s a flight, and flying with a massage table expensive and cumbersome. That’s why I like atlanta in that there are enough cities around that are within a 6 hour drive. And when business gets slow in town I can plan a trip elsewhere. 

Lol wait…I’m definitely not a “Midwestern”. I’m just an expat to the area. But I can definitely see the truth in that. However, my affinity for long drives actually started in Florida (it’s an oft common sight: people moving to Florida from Illinois/Michigan/New York, only to find themselves moving back after the 1st hurricane 😆

Then in Denver, it was either drive 8 hours or fly. I didn’t like flying because by the time I woke up to catch a flight, got stressed with the logistics of parking, shuttling, checking bags, TSA, lining up to the gate, turbulence, and then waiting for my bag plus figuring out transportation…that’s usually a whole day that I coulda been driving instead.

But you pretty much gave a good reason as to why it’s good to be in a good hub, although I’m just not particularly crazy about the cities within short driving distance of Atlanta. Last time I was in Charlotte and Raleigh, I wasn’t thrilled with the clientele I was coming across. There’s almost the same vibe of “maybe they will, maybe they won’t” I have come across in the Midwest 🤦🏽‍♂️ 

 

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