Is Paying Less Than The Agreed Amount Post-Session Ever Worth It?

[+ MysticMenace]

Let me just say, I am amazed at some guys that would pay less than what was originally agreed upon for any reason. I can understand when there could be perceived services not rendered, but I feel like if the time was spent (and technically the payment is for the time spent - not how the time was spent according to the arrangement), would not one still need to pay for the fee of that charged time? Also, I am quite fragile, and most of the guys I go for are pretty hunky and muscular, so if there were to be a disagreement that could escalate, man, I would be screwed (and not in a good way), so I would not even dare attempt or think about messing with the payments if it were to ever happen to me (although most guys say I am fun to be around so I never had a problem with this to begin with). Maybe I am just more risk averse and just schedule sessions with reputable guys or if the session were to turn not-so-great, then I'd just cut my losses, pay the full fee, and not repeat with said guy.

For those courageous men that refuse to pay the full agreed upon amount, do you consider the possibility of getting into an infraction, and do you think it is worth the risk if it does happen? Any lessons learned from these encounters?

[Deadlift1]

Id pay the full amount and wouldn't repeat.  Once u open that door to a confrontation you may never know what's behind it. That's why I look at this site before I book.

Once I almost clocked a masseur.  

[marylander1940]

39 minutes ago, JoeMendoza said:

Let me just say, I am amazed at some guys that would pay less than what was originally agreed upon for any reason. I can understand when there could be perceived services not rendered, but I feel like if the time was spent (and technically the payment is for the time spent - not how the time was spent according to the arrangement), would not one still need to pay for the fee of that charged time? Also, I am quite fragile, and most of the guys I go for are pretty hunky and muscular, so if there were to be a disagreement that could escalate, man, I would be screwed (and not in a good way), so I would not even dare attempt or think about messing with the payments if it were to ever happen to me (although most guys say I am fun to be around so I never had a problem with this to begin with). Maybe I am just more risk averse and just schedule sessions with reputable guys or if the session were to turn not-so-great, then I'd just cut my losses, pay the full fee, and not repeat with said guy.

For those courageous men that refuse to pay the full agreed upon amount, do you consider the possibility of getting into an infraction, and do you think it is worth the risk if it does happen? Any lessons learned from these encounters?

Depends... did he deliver what was promised?

I remember a long thread about a poster who constantly complained about escorts who bottom for him and aren't properly prepared for the occasion. He swore if that happened one more time he would pay less because of the uncomfortable situation.

It's an extreme case, I know...  

[jeezifonly]

If providers are compensated for their time - then cutting short a session by the provider, (say he arrived 30min late and left after 35m with the client) the spirit of the law probably says pro-rata reduction in compensation is a fair deal. 

But as I’ve heard said in some social circles, 

“It. Simply. Is. Not. Done.”
 

[Guest Justin7402]

The only time I've paid less is when there is a service the provider said they were ok with prior to the meet that they changed their mind on once there.  IE: provider said they were ok bottoming but then changed their mind etc.  Usually at that point I'll cut the session short, pay based on the time I was there and leave, but it's only happened a couple times.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I once had a provider that was awful.  When he arrived, he asked for payment up front (that should have been enough of a giveaway that it would be a let down experience).  Instead of kicking him out then and there, I gave payment up front.  He stayed for half the time, could tell I was not satisfied, and he offered half of my payment back.

I took it.

[+ IronMaus]

I've offered money back to clients when I felt I did not deliver.

Clients don't try to pay me less after the fact, but sometimes when they book 2+ hours they'll tap out after 1 hour and want to only pay me for 1 hour. I'm honest with them about how shitty that is but take what they will give me and make note in their contact info so I can navigate the next occasion without disappointment. 

[maninsoma]

I think I've done this only once.  As background, I will say that I have paid the full amount when I've simply been disappointed and also when I've been satisfied but the escort cut the time short.  The one time I paid less than agreed upon involved this situation:  I arrived on time and the escort had me walking around his neighborhood killing time because he wasn't ready.  When he was finally supposedly ready, I was invited inside but then he spent five minutes smoking pot before we began.  We started our session and I wasn't 100% clean down there, though I would quantify the "accident" as exceedingly small (nothing visible on his sheets).  The guy had an exaggerated response, ran to the bathroom without saying anything other than that I wasn't clean, and then spent over 10 minutes in the bathroom.  He came out fully clothed and told me to pay him and leave.  It's been years, but I'd say we spent maybe 10 minutes at most in bed.  I thought I was being generous when I gave him half of the agreed upon fee.  He got upset, but I reminded him that he wasted my time by not being ready on time and that he could have handled the situation by returning to bed with me if he wanted to earn his fee.  I could have understood him not wanting to try to fuck me again, but he behaved as if I was a leper.  I could tell he was still angry, but so was I.  I told him he should consider himself lucky he got paid what he did considering the poor job he did.

In retrospect, I could have just paid him the full fee to avoid confrontation but I really did view his behavior as beyond the pale. 

[+ pitman]

I once had a situation where a provider (someone well known to members of this forum) was not able to provide the full service I was hoping for.  Towards the end of the session he apologized and said he did not feel comfortable accepting any money from me.  While I was disappointed I really liked the guy and still felt I had a good time with him.  I appreciated his integrity, insisted on paying him and left the session happy that I had met him.  We later had two outstanding sessions, and on one of them he stayed much longer than we had agreed upon.  

[Guest]

I don't think I've ever paid less than the agreed amount when I've gone through with the session, but I will walk away if the person's photos aren't recent or accurate, if he isn't ready at the appointed time, requests money up-front, or won't kiss upon greeting. 

[DMICS]

On 8/23/2021 at 8:08 PM, JoeMendoza said:

For those courageous men that refuse to pay the full agreed upon amount, do you consider the possibility of getting into an infraction, and do you think it is worth the risk if it does happen? Any lessons learned from these encounters?

In the general landscape of things when I'm out and about I'm told often that I'm intimidating at times so I'm never worried about any confrontation.

I've not paid the agreed amount twice. The 1st time was a few years ago with a provider that eventually became a regular. I could tell he was tired and just wasn't his normal self so I stopped and ended the session very early. I only paid him half of his fee. He apologized and promised if I book him again he'd waive his fee. He stuck to his word and he was a regular of mine for a couple of years before he moved.

The second time was 2 years ago in New York. I booked a guy from RM and he arrived at my hotel late and a bit "odd." He was chugging a big cola bottle and soon after I realized he was a bit tipsy and he had alcohol in the big litre bottle. Early in our session he was getting paranoid and wasn't delivering what we agreed upon so again I stopped the session early, like 10 minutes in. Told him it was over an explained why. I wasn't going to give him anything, but I literally just gave him something to get back home with if he wanted to Uber. 

If we agree on stuff and you don't deliver, I end the session early. Either get partial or no payment. Luckily it doesn't happen often. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by DMICS

[Jay DC]

I think it’s bad form not to pay the full price. I’ve said before that if I go see a well-reviewed movie and am disappointed or dislike the experience, I don’t demand that Steven Spielberg or Meryl Streep cough up a refund. And for what I’ve paid to see lousy Broadway shows, I could have funded a much better time with a provider. And providers have to deal with so many flakes who waste their time and energy that always paying the agreed upon fee is the right thing to do, even if we are dissatisfied. And it makes us all look a little better.
 

Plus I still feel guilty that many years ago I met an obliging fellow at Stella’s in NYC. We stopped at the atm walking back to my hotel where I placed the money on the dresser. When I was packing to check out the next morning, I found $40 on the floor behind the dresser. To this day, it pains me that there is a great guy out there who thinks I’m a lying cheap-ass cheat. No cells phones then, no email, I had no way to find him.
 

I suppose if I had ever been in a dangerous situation or felt threatened, I might feel differently about that isolated incident, but fortunately I never been anywhere close to that kind of experience. 
 

And I treat my expenditures like I do playing at casinos-I decide how much I want to play and stop when I hit that limit. When or lose, I had a good time and don’t demand a partial refund because blackjack took all my money.  I hope no one is overspending what they can afford or deliberately trying to short change the provider. That’s just tacky and a bad path to take. 
 

And if we feel entitled to withhold payment for service we deem substandard, then providers should feel to ask for more when we are late or rude or spent hours asking a million bullshit questions or were too drunk to string together a complete thought or unhygienic or just plain obnoxious. 
 

I know I’m over the top on this, but follow through on your commitment and honor your word-even when it’s hard or feels unfair. Especially if it’s hard or feels unfair. Don’t be a cheapskate like I was. 

[maninsoma]

I agree that shorting payment simply because you didn't enjoy your time with a provider is inappropriate.

However, shouldn't one expect a refund from a movie theater if the projector stopped working after 15 minutes?  (Obviously one isn't going to try to get a refund from the actors in the film!)  I don't know about you, but I wouldn't just leave the theater, shrug my shoulders, and then say to myself that it's okay that the theater only showed me a small portion of the film.  I paid to see the film, not just a small portion of it.  I shouldn't have to pay to see it again unless I liked it so much that I wanted a repeat viewing.

[jtwalker]

A good provider would probably offer a discount if there was some sort of an issue.  Then again, this question probably doesn't legitimately come up if it is a good provider, does it? 

Bad providers can be dangerous.  Risk a fist-fight or a heated argument over $50 or even $100?  Not worth it at all.