Most overrated/underrated tourist attraction

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18 hours ago, Danny-Darko said:

...To be honest I'd rather return for a day or two to Uruguay than to Chile any day!   

 

5 hours ago, Danny-Darko said:

Marylander1940, while you quote Wikipedia, I cite life experience and personal knowledge...

If you've actually deprived yourself of traveling in all of Chile because of a bad experience you had in Santiago, you're depriving yourself an experience from one of the most beautiful countries on the planet. I usually prefer to get my travel info from a guide made by a bunch of people (such as Michelin or Frommer's or Fodor's) rather than by one person (such as Rick Steves) for exactly this reason: one person's perspective can be quite biased and personal. If one friend tells me a movie is terrible, but has 90% on rotten tomatoes, I might be interested in the consensus opinion more (unless that friend has tastes which are unique and similar to mine). 

Yes, sources such as Wikipedia need to be checked, and they're not appropriate for writing college (or high school) papers, as @WilliamM suggests, but info from there cannot be dismissed out of hand. 

[marylander1940]

Arabia Steamboat Museum - Wikipedia

To find a steam boat buried in a corn field... a friend took me to this this underrated and unknown museum and I loved it. 

[Danny-Darko]

4 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Roman bridge of Córdoba - Wikipedia

I remember there was some cruising going there late a night. 

I hope nobody gets offended because of quoting wikipedia. 

If people getting "offended" is what you got out of all this, you've proven our point! You don't even realize that what you've done is expose your ignorance and ridiculed yourself! Oh well as I said before, happy researching online Wikipedia!  Ignorance is bliss.

[Danny-Darko]

6 hours ago, Unicorn said:

 

If you've actually deprived yourself of traveling in all of Chile because of a bad experience you had in Santiago, you're depriving yourself an experience from one of the most beautiful countries on the planet. I usually prefer to get my travel info from a guide made by a bunch of people (such as Michelin or Frommer's or Fodor's) rather than by one person (such as Rick Steves) for exactly this reason: one person's perspective can be quite biased and personal. If one friend tells me a movie is terrible, but has 90% on rotten tomatoes, I might be interested in the consensus opinion more (unless that friend has tastes which are unique and similar to mine). 

Yes, sources such as Wikipedia need to be checked, and they're not appropriate for writing college (or high school) papers, as @WilliamM suggests, but info from there cannot be dismissed out of hand. 

As I said before, YOU go and enjoy it all! I'll keep traveling elsewhere. BTW, were you and @marylander1940 seperated at birth or are you his AlterEgo? Both of you keep exposing yourselves. Moving on... Enjoy your experiences "both" of you in Chile and with the Chileans.    

Edited December 4, 2021 by Danny-Darko

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20 minutes ago, Danny-Darko said:

As I said before, YOU go and enjoy it all! I'll keep traveling elsewhere. BTW, were you and @marylander1940 seperated at birth or are you his AlterEgo? Both of you keep exposing yourselves. Moving on... Enjoy your experiences "both" of you in Chile and the Chileans.    

Chile is actually my favorite South American country. And, no doubt, if I had to live in South America, that would definitely be my pick (been to all countries south of the border except Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, and the Guyanas). I don't mind exposing myself to beautiful places. 

 

Better than having a closed mind...

[+ azdr0710]

the world's smallest museum.....Superior, Arizona

https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/17440

[+ tassojunior]

Most underrated: The Gold Museum , Bogota.

Hundreds of Pre-Columbian pieces of jewelry and artifacts, most in solid gold and displayed perfectly. 

 

[+ WilliamM]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

 

If you've actually deprived yourself of traveling in all of Chile because of a bad experience you had in Santiago, you're depriving yourself an experience from one of the most beautiful countries on the planet. I usually prefer to get my travel info from a guide made by a bunch of people (such as Michelin or Frommer's or Fodor's) rather than by one person (such as Rick Steves) for exactly this reason: one person's perspective can be quite biased and personal. If one friend tells me a movie is terrible, but has 90% on rotten tomatoes, I might be interested in the consensus opinion more (unless that friend has tastes which are unique and similar to mine). 

Yes, sources such as Wikipedia need to be checked, and they're not appropriate for writing college (or high school) papers, as @WilliamM suggests, but info from there cannot be dismissed out of hand. 

 Mostly agree, but for a few members, Wikipedia may be a rather bad habit.

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, Danny-Darko said:

If people getting "offended" is what you got out of all this, you've proven our point! You don't even realize that what you've done is expose your ignorance and ridiculed yourself! Oh well as I said before, happy researching online Wikipedia!  Ignorance is bliss.

 

1 hour ago, Danny-Darko said:

As I said before, YOU go and enjoy it all! I'll keep traveling elsewhere. BTW, were you and @marylander1940 seperated at birth or are you his AlterEgo? Both of you keep exposing yourselves. Moving on... Enjoy your experiences "both" of you in Chile and the Chileans.    

I think you're talking this in a very personal way, overreacting is not pretty! 

I simply explained to you and others the meaning of "the Switzerland of America" had nothing to do with banking and I posted a link/reference to make my point. 

I wouldn't check wikipedia for a PHD but why not doing it while using google. 

[+ WilliamM]

6 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

 

I think you're talking this in a very personal way, overreacting is not pretty! 

I simply explained to you and others the meaning of "the Switzerland of America" had nothing to do with banking and I posted a link/reference to make my point. 

I wouldn't check wikipedia for a PHD but why not doing it while using google. 

Nobody is suggesting Wikipedia for a doctorate. Or a term paper and/ or studying for an exam  from elementary school to grad school.

For that matter!

[+ WilliamM]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

Chile is actually my favorite South American country. And, no doubt, if I had to live in South America, that would definitely be my pick (been to all countries south of the border except Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, and the Guyanas). I don't mind exposing myself to beautiful places. 

 

Better than having a closed mind...

I really like Stockholm in the late Summer (August, early September), but I don't expect everyone to agree. it is rather expensive, an understatement. And downtown is not very interesting, but staying near the Baltic Sea is interesting.

[marylander1940]

Overrated
 

Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine - Wikipedia

I wasted my time there... 

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3 hours ago, WilliamM said:

 Mostly agree, but for a few members, Wikipedia may be a rather bad habit.

Wikipedia isn't acceptable as a source for an academic or scholarly paper because it's not a primary source. That being said, most statements on Wikipedia need to be referenced by primary sources, so it's a far cry from most of the BS one reads on social media. If you read most Wikipedia articles, most statements of fact are referenced to a primary source, or are noted to be of questionable value such as [?by whom?]. Wikipedia statements can be refuted, but only by a more trusted source. 

[+ WilliamM]

History students often do research in French because it was the diplomatic language at one point. I suppose Wikipedia may function as a first read on history, but that's it. 

Students are rather good at finding primary sources on their own, before Wikipedia.

[+ Charlie]

I taught an introductory college course on academic research long before Wikipedia existed, and when it came along near the end of my teaching career, I was skeptical and would not allow students to use it as a primary source. However, it became more sophisticated over time, and as long as it is used as a starting point for finding primary sources, it makes sense to use it. For the purposes of a site like this one, it is a natural reference because anyone who is reading this thread can easily access information on the topic under discussion, without having to do in-depth research, and if they want to do more, they can use the links to the primary sources. That said, one needs to remember that the links on Wikipedia are not necessarily the only primary sources worth checking.

[+ WilliamM]

10 minutes ago, Charlie said:

. That said, one needs to remember that the links on Wikipedia are not necessarily the only primary sources worth checking.

How many students actually check the links?

 

[+ Charlie]

9 minutes ago, WilliamM said:

 

The serious ones do.

[+ WilliamM]

1 hour ago, Charlie said:

The serious ones do.

Most students are serious. Remember I audited history, literature and political science courses at the the University of Pennsylvania until four years ago.

And I did all the reading assignments as well. I talked to the students a lot.. History professors warn students to not use Wikepida

[+ Charlie]

11 minutes ago, WilliamM said:

Most students are serious. Remember I audited history, literature and political science courses at the the University of Pennsylvania until four years ago.

And I did all the reading assignments as well. I talked to the students a lot.. History professors warn students to not use Wikepida

I assume that history professors' warnings are more nuanced than that, and that they warn students not to use Wikipedia as a primary source, nor as a substitute for reading the assigned texts.

[+ WilliamM]

13 minutes ago, Charlie said:

I assume that history professors' warnings are more nuanced than that, and that they warn students not to use Wikipedia as a primary source, nor as a substitute for reading the assigned texts.

No.

Why would a history professor, or any other college professor, explain in so much detail? The lectures, readings and recitations are carefully planned.

I mentioned earlier that I did research in 17th and 18th century European history in French. Because it was the diplomatic language for the Australians as well as the French.

Edited December 4, 2021 by WilliamM

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9 minutes ago, Charlie said:

I assume that history professors' warnings are more nuanced than that, and that they warn students not to use Wikipedia as a primary source, nor as a substitute for reading the assigned texts.

by very definition wikipedia could never be considered a primary source, unless someone was doing a research piece on some sort of meta- process.... but i stress it is also not a secondary source - knowing how to evaluate evidence is an essential skill that is very specifically taught now ... and wikipedia could never past muster for many many reasons (it is anonymous, not reviewed, often gives information without proper citation, etc., etc.) it can be useful as a launch pad into or towards reliable sources.

[+ Charlie]

I don't know any teachers who don't look at Wikipedia, if only to make sure students aren't using it inappropriately. I was reading a national graduate school admission exam a few years ago, and became suspicious when one of the writers started making a lot of statements about an abstruse subject that was mentioned in the question but wasn't really germane to answering the question; I quickly checked Wikipedia on that subject, and discovered that he was directly quoting material there--he had somehow got access to the Internet while taking the exam and was simply copying material he knew nothing about. I would hope that any competent professor would be alert to that possibility.

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23 minutes ago, Charlie said:

I don't know any teachers who don't look at Wikipedia, if only to make sure students aren't using it inappropriately. I was reading a national graduate school admission exam a few years ago, and became suspicious when one of the writers started making a lot of statements about an abstruse subject that was mentioned in the question but wasn't really germane to answering the question; I quickly checked Wikipedia on that subject, and discovered that he was directly quoting material there--he had somehow got access to the Internet while taking the exam and was simply copying material he knew nothing about. I would hope that any competent professor would be alert to that possibility.

there are also "plagiarism checkers" - software that actually compares work written by students to sites on the internet and returns results that not only show the instances of copying but the exact location of the site copied from

got lots of use during virtual learning!

[Alex93108]

I will add one : Cafe Angelina in Paris , across from the louvre museum . 99% of the people they go there are tourists . Tourists hotspot lines out the door Totally overrated . There are better french pastries places  in New York. PM me if anyone needs suggestions. 

I used to go to Dubai a lot and Doha also - the arabs love Cafe Angelina for reasons I don’t understand . The Cafe Angelina branches in the middle east are way better than the one in Paris . 

The only thing i enjoyed there is the hot chocolate 

[+ WilliamM]

2 hours ago, Charlie said:

I don't know any teachers who don't look at Wikipedia, if only to make sure students aren't using it inappropriately. I was reading a national graduate school admission exam a few years ago, and became suspicious when one of the writers started making a lot of statements about an abstruse subject that was mentioned in the question but wasn't really germane to answering the question; I quickly checked Wikipedia on that subject, and discovered that he was directly quoting material there--he had somehow got access to the Internet while taking the exam and was simply copying material he knew nothing about. I would hope that any competent professor would be alert to that possibility.

What did you teach in college?

 

A subject without much Wikepida traffic, right?

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by WilliamM