Donations and meeting length

[+ Reisr30]

I met with a well reviewed companion and scheduled two hours. Session ended after one hour and he headed out. I had the donation for two hours out on the table and he took it. I guess I expected him to only take one hour. Is it Strange I feel disappointed? Not upset or mad just a bit disappointed.

 

When this happened with two other companions they both refused to take the two hour donation since we ended early.

[+ Avalon]

That was wrong of him. Did he give any excuse as to why had to leave early?

[+ Reisr30]

That was wrong of him. Did he give any excuse as to why had to leave early?

 

Sorry, just to clarify, I was done after an hour and I think he assumed it was time for him to go. I didn’t say “stay” so I think he assumed the session was done. This hasn’t happened to me before usually the companions I meet stay and cuddle or hang out a bit longer...

 

To be honest I’m feeling a bit sad and down on the whole thing. Not sure why since I know it’s business on their end...

[+ Avalon]

Sorry, just to clarify, I was done after an hour and I think he assumed it was time for him to go. I didn’t say “stay” so I think he assumed the session was done. This hasn’t happened to me before usually the companions I meet stay and cuddle or hang out a bit longer...

 

To be honest I’m feeling a bit sad and down on the whole thing. Not sure why since I know it’s business on their end...

 

I'd suggest in the future to tell the companion at the outset that you expect the full two hours. Imo cuddle time is important. There is more to sex than simply getting off. If it were just, only that then masturbation would suffice.

 

Nevertheless it was still wrong for him to take the entire contribution which was meant for two hours.

[+ Travis69]

I guess time flies when your having fun

You always want more sex and cuddling.:cool:

[+ bashful]

Once met a guy I scheduled for 90 minutes. He was so exciting, an hour was all that was needed for me. After our activities, he told me, only one hour. I tipped him well. Alec Andrews was a class act. That was my only experience where things ended early.

 

I always appreciate providers who are generous to me as a client.

Edited October 22, 2018 by bashful

[Smurof]

Book the shortest time available always with someone new. That way, you can gage if they want to prolong time with you or not based on your up-front donation. My discovery has been if they like my gratuity, they will go over our allotted time a little if things vibe well. If the chemistry just isn't there, it's not uncommon on OUR side to end things early and chalk it up as a loss as well as a never repeat.

[+ Avalon]

It should be the customer who has the right to cut the meeting short and not the provider.

[rvwnsd]

A few things to consider for future meets:

1. There is always a possibility that you will be, ahem, "finished" in a hour or less. When booking, schedule for an hour with the option to extend to two "if we are both having so much fun we just have to keep going."
   
2. Do not leave the fee on a table, dresser, etc. Keep it in an envelope in your pocket. You can also put the first hour's fee in one envelope, the second hour's fee in another and combine if necessary.
   
3. Ask him to stay for the full hour agreed-upon time.
   
4. Ask him what the fee is for the time spent. (Works better if the fee is not laying out in the open.)
   

One last suggestion: Write a review and state that he did not stay the full two hours despite having pocketed the entire fee.

 

EDIT: Changed "hour" to "agreed-upon time."

Edited October 22, 2018 by rvwnsd

[mike carey]

Alec Andrews was a class act.

Agreed.

[LaffingBear]

One standard by which you can identify a bad hire.... someone who states "you're paying for my time," but behaves as if session duration is tied to climax.

[steed8]

Once met a guy I scheduled for 90 minutes. He was so exciting, an hour was all that was needed for me. After our activities, he told me, only one hour. I tipped him well. Alec Andrews was a class act. That was my only experience where things ended early.

 

I always appreciate providers who are generous to me as a client.

 

Alec may have been LA-based but is no longer in the business, correct?

I seem to recall his active posting here in the past as a member.

Bashful, you were fortunate to have met Alec in view of his attractiveness & the fact that you had a stellar experience in his company. Thank you for sharing that lovely reminiscence!

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I’m kind of confused based on the OP. It sounds like the decision to end the session early was mutual, and you expected him to leave some of the money on the table since previous escorts did. Then in the next post, OP says that he was disappointed not to have gotten more cuddle time even tho he didn’t send any kind of signal or communicate that he wanted the escort to stay longer. So which is it? Was the decision to end the session early mutual? Did the OP send subconscious signals that the session was over? Such as saying, “well that was fun!” Putting on clothes. Etc. We all know the feeling when a hookup feels done with our presence, whether paid or unpaid. So, OP, did you give him the impression that the session was over after an hour, even if not explicitly stated one way or the other? And did you do this because you expected to not have to pay for the 2nd hour if he left early, as per your previous experiences, as stated in your OP? Did you decide that you were disappointed not to receive extra cuddle time only after you realized that he took the entire fee? Or were you disappointed that he was leaving early regardless of the issue with the fee?

 

Because it sounds to me like a case of miscommunication and mixed signals. I suspect that the OP may have communicated with body language and energetically that the session was over for him, even if not explicitly stated. I suspect this because of the difference between the OP and the follow up post. Is the issue that you were happy to end the session early but expected a partial refund of your fee? Or is the issue that the escort left when you did not feel that the session was finished?

 

Frankly, if you schedule two hours, you should always expect to pay for two hours. If any escorts have refunded part of your fee when they left after an hour, that was generosity on their part. Perhaps they were hoping to make a regular out of you. If you book two hours, you pay for two hours. Even if you finish after an hour. The escort set aside two hours for you on his schedule. You are compensating him for his time. Just because you decide that the session is finished after an hour doesn’t mean that you are entitled to a partial refund. The escort is entitled to keep the money because he reserved two hours of his time for you. He was unable to schedule any other commitments during the 2nd hour because it was reserved for YOU. Therefore you need to pay for it, regardless of whether you let him go early or not.

 

If the escort automatically left after OP came, without any signalling from OP that the session was indeed over, then I agree that the escort is totally in the wrong for leaving early when he was booked for two hours. But I suspect that this is not a cut and dry case.

 

OP clearly expected that he should receive a partial refund for his two hour booking in cases where he finished after an hour. He may have sent some subtle signals that the session was over after an hour, prompting the escort to feel that his presence was not wanted for the 2nd hour. If the client books two hours but finishes after an hour, the escort is still entitled to the two hour fee. He’s not in the wrong for that.

 

If the escort in question truly left the session unprompted, then he is in the wrong for leaving. You should definitely leave him a bad review for that. But he’s not on the wrong for taking the full fee to which he’s entitled for the two hours that were booked. He’s in the wrong for leaving a two hour session after only an hour. Choose experienced escorts who know what to do with a two hour session in the future. Reading ad text, websites, and reviews can help you determine who is good with extended sessions.

 

If the issue is that OP feels that he should be able to book escorts for two hours and dismiss them after an hour without having to pay the two hour fee, based on the fact that a few other escorts have been generous enough to give him a partial refund, then this is a case of incorrect expectations on the part of the OP. If you reserve two hours of an escort’s time- you pay for two hours. Even if you are finished early. That is not the escort’s fault or problem if they take the entire amount of compensation for the time you have reserved. And does not warrant a bad review.

 

None of us were in the room, so we cannot say what kind of subtle signalling was involved between the escort and the client here. Only the client can really say if he sent signals that the session was over due to his erroneous expectation of a partial refund... or not. But it’s worth considering when deciding whether to write a bad review or not.

[+ bashful]

Alec may have been LA-based but is no longer in the business, correct?

 

Correct. He's retired. Unfortunataly, I wasn't able to meet again with him when he was on his farewell tour.

[+ purplekow]

You should plan on an hour and ask beforehand if he has additional time scheduled for another hour. That way you know going in if there is a possibility of extending the time and you will not feel let down if you pay for an hour for a hour's worth of time.

[+ Reisr30]

I appreciate all of the feedback even if some of it seemed a bit critical; my own perception. A few things:

 

1. I booked two hours and left the donation for two hours. I don’t try to short change providers and actually usually book 3 or 4 hours minimum. And I don’t haggle or expect freebies. I have had cases where a 4 hour session ended after 3 hours and had no issues with paying 4 hours because it was at my direction. And by issues I mean raising a question here. I understand they are reserving their time and to me it’s equivalent to a contract. I would never book two hours when in fact I only planned to go through with one; that would be disingenuous... I was raised to be respectful and to treat people like I want to be treated and would never try to screw someone over.

 

2. I dont think I gave the impression I was ready for him to go. It all happened so fast I didn’t even have time to process what was happening. Normally I would have said hey let’s just hang out for the remainder of the time but I didn’t and that’s on me.

 

In the end it’s a learning experience. I thought I was already too selective when looking at providers. I guess I’ll be even more careful when looking at a new provider next time. In the end I look to meet a nice guy and have an enjoyable time; isn’t that what we are all looking for in the end?

 

Thank you all for your perspective.

[JayCeeKy]

Here's my standard procedure, maybe it seems a bit gauche, but it does help set my expectations and also assures the escort that I respect his time as well:

 

As soon as the escort takes off his jacket, sits down, and gets half-way comfortable, I say: "Thanks for coming. Let's see, it's now 2:00 o'clock so we have until 4:00 o'clock to take our time and not feel rushed." That way, I can periodically and surreptitiously (especially after an hour or so) check the time in order to pace myself, and to make sure that we are not going to end early or late. I did this last week with an escort in Nashville and he did not seem upset by my mention of the time parameters.

 

I also NEVER put the "donation" out in the open as it gives too much control over the denouement to the escort rather than to myself. It may also, unconsciously, give the escort the impression that that's all he's getting, leaving no expectation for a tip for exceptional service.

[rvwnsd]

I appreciate all of the feedback even if some of it seemed a bit critical; my own perception....

In a written format some suggestions and pointers can come off as being criticism. Based on my read and based on knowing many of the posters' styles for several years, it seems like everyone was trying to help by suggesting techniques for avoiding an escort ending a session early and, when it does occur, how to avoid a financial loss.

 

1. I booked two hours and left the donation for two hours. I don’t try to short change providers and actually usually book 3 or 4 hours minimum. And I don’t haggle or expect freebies. I have had cases where a 4 hour session ended after 3 hours and had no issues with paying 4 hours because it was at my direction....

 

The key phrase is "it was at your direction." This time, the guy should not have ended the session. Bad on him.

 

One last thought: Write a review and in that review mention what you told us here.

[+ Yellowrod]

I also NEVER put the "donation" out in the open as it gives too much control over the denouement to the escort rather than to myself. It may also, unconsciously, give the escort the impression that that's all he's getting, leaving no expectation for a tip for exceptional service.

 

Love your use of the word "denouement" here! "la petite mort" for sure.

[JayCeeKy]

Love your use of the word "denouement" here! "la petite mort" for sure.

 

et le mots juste, j'espere

[FTM Zachary Prince]

Is it Strange I feel disappointed?

 

I dont think I gave the impression I was ready for him to go. It all happened so fast I didn’t even have time to process what was happening

 

In that case, no it’s not strange at all that you would feel disappointed. You might reach out to the escort in question to express your disappointment and give him the chance to respond offering to make it right to you however he sees fit... perhaps it was an honest mistake on his part and he’s confused whether you are fine with it or not? He may have other clients who schedule two hours and sometimes finish early and just want him to leave but pay him for the full time. And he may not realise how disappointed you are as a result. If he’s any good at his job, he will realise that the miscommunication is worth addressing. In fact if he is a relative newbie you may be doing him a real favor by bringing up the subject so he can learn something from it.

[hypothetically]

I met with a well reviewed companion and scheduled two hours. Session ended after one hour and he headed out. I had the donation for two hours out on the table and he took it. I guess I expected him to only take one hour. Is it Strange I feel disappointed? Not upset or mad just a bit disappointed.

 

When this happened with two other companions they both refused to take the two hour donation since we ended early.

 

What transpired with two other companions has no relevance, we are not all running the same business nor playing the same game. Be mindful of this.

 

Second, it’s not uncommon (it actually happens quite frequently here in NYC) that a client commits to more than one hour and because this was communicated and that is the expectation from the escort (possibly why the escort accepted the offer), that is the donation regardless of completion time. I never demand this. It is physically handed to me or left somewhere before the client exits. “I know we agreed on x amount of hours, so I’m still going to pay you for you x amount of hours.” It’s generous on the behalf of the client who is able to do this. So note that this does occur and that’s possibly why he took all of the money.

 

I’m not sure where you live but if it’s in NYC, maybe keep your coin in your wallet until you’re done. Not because of theft but because tipping, rate vs completion varies on a situation by situation basis.

[SirBillybob]

Client to provider at outset: "I typically, but not always, cum more than once. Even so, the before, during, and after are all fluid equal-opportunity sex within our time bounds." Or something along those lines.

[+ WhamIAm]

I suspect that the OP may have communicated with body language and energetically that the session was over for him, even if not explicitly stated.

 

I really disagree that an escort should end an otherwise respectful and fun session early based on his perception of "body language." Much easier and more professional to say "Let's [cuddle, take a shower, chat, whatever] or would you rather I head out?" When I first started hiring I had one guy pretty much jump into his underwear and get ready to leave as soon as we came with an hour left to what was otherwise a pretty good time (from what he said, for both of us). Paid him the whole fee, but felt pretty annoyed with myself for doing so after. I've also cut sessions short, even with good cause (guy went into a k-hole and started nodding off). If I do, I pay in full for all time booked.

 

That said, I agree with the advice given the OP above:

• Don't just leave the donation out for the escort to pick up on the way out the door. Put it in an envelope somewhere sticking out in plain sight but not instantly accessible -- under a lamp, etc. At the end, hand him the envelope, stick it in his back pocket at last hug, etc. (My system may get a bit over-involved -- money in an envelope as above, potential tip money in a nearby dresser drawer, another stash of money in case we agree to extend. Works for me, though. I find it awkward to be fumbling through cash at the end of the session.)
  
• Don't book more than an hour first time with a provider. I used to suggest an option to extend until one guy stopped mid-thrust with 5-10 minutes left on the original hour to say "If you want me to finish it will cost another hour." Needless to say, I showed him the door.
  

Shake it off and go find someone else to have fun with. Plenty of fish in the sea, grains of sand on the beach, and good, communicative providers out there.

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I really disagree that an escort should end an otherwise respectful and fun session early based on his perception of "body language." Much easier and more professional to say "Let's [cuddle, take a shower, chat, whatever] or would you rather I head out?" When I first started hiring I had one guy pretty much jump into his underwear and get ready to leave as soon as we came with an hour left to what was otherwise a pretty good time (from what he said, for both of us). Paid him the whole fee, but felt pretty annoyed with myself for doing so after. I've also cut sessions short, even with good cause (guy went into a k-hole and started nodding off). If I do, I pay in full for all time booked.

 

That said, I agree with the advice given the OP above:

• Don't just leave the donation out for the escort to pick up on the way out the door. Put it in an envelope somewhere sticking out in plain sight but not instantly accessible -- under a lamp, etc. At the end, hand him the envelope, stick it in his back pocket at last hug, etc. (My system may get a bit over-involved -- money in an envelope as above, potential tip money in a nearby dresser drawer, another stash of money in case we agree to extend. Works for me, though. I find it awkward to be fumbling through cash at the end of the session.)
  
• Don't book more than an hour first time with a provider. I used to suggest an option to extend until one guy stopped mid-thrust with 5-10 minutes left on the original hour to say "If you want me to finish it will cost another hour." Needless to say, I showed him the door.
  

Shake it off and go find someone else to have fun with. Plenty of fish in the sea, grains of sand on the beach, and good, communicative providers out there.

 

Your opinion about whether escorts should follow our intuition based on body language and your follow-up example are non-sequitors. The escort who you had a bad experience with clearly didn’t even take the time to evaluate your body language. Just because you had a bad experience doesn’t mean that other escorts don’t know what someone means when they start putting their clothes on, tell us that it was a fun session, and make a work phone call while ignoring us. We all know what things like that mean. I agree that in cases of uncertainty it’s better to check in verbally. But often it’s pretty obvious, something you might not realize from the client side of things.