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@marylander1940 – make him swear he’s immune.

I don’t like making excuses, but here we are! Agencies are different than agents. Everyone knows at the outset that you’re dealing with an agency.

You’re being coy. But whatever. You know that already.

Never going to know if he’s not honest about whether it’s him or not. How am I supposed to know if I like a provider if I’m not talking to the provider?

How exactly do you go about getting an EIN for that?

That’s a gross generalization with bias from an older generation. Just like it’s a gross generalization to say most people your age never master texting.

How exactly do you report that to the IRS?

That’s sort of laughable. I generally do a call first anyhow – especially if something in the texting exchange is off.

It’s dishonest to act like the escort. I feel I ought to know I’m interacting with the escort or a handler. As I said, with the agencies both parties knew there was a middleman. Now, how are we as clients to know if we’re dealing with the escort or handler?

If he’s not with a client, what difference does that make?

I disagree. It’s part of the business. The notion that escorts time is that valuable...? How many other professions make $300/hr untaxed? To say nothing of the $1600/hr cited above. In another forum on here some folks rail against corporate pigs getting paid way more than they should ethically. Why do we seem to think this is any different? I know that’s a bit tangential to my original post, but I’m sure it’s underlying part of my feelings here. If you can afford to to pay a handler, you’re charging too much. I also don’t need another person aware of my dealings in this hobby. Who’s running the Venmo app we send money to for deposits? Just for example. We make a tacit agreement with the escort to do business with them...No need for a middleman. And then add to it that we don’t always know if there’s a middleman. And of course some middle men act as if they are the escort. There’s already a host of issues here that require a good deal of trust (on the part of all parties) to add dubious communication “with an escort” when it’s in fact not the escort just feels icky. The case of the agencies is different, to a degree, because everybody understands from the outset that there is some sort of middleman.

I just have a hard time believing that the demand for escorting is *that* high. In my work, I deal with emails all day, even off hours. I deal with text messages all day, even off hours. I deal with telephone calls all day, even off hours. I have to do clerical work and do a lot of traveling as well. I manage to do all my own work without outsourcing it. AND I’m not making nearly as much as an escort is per hour, tax free. I don’t understand this notion that requests are so high...

I find this offputting. I don’t have the desire to do my job either, but I have to.

Wonder why he just doesn’t do his own bookings then.

I’m sure that made for a good-to-great time...

It’s hard to bypass an agent when you don’t know. I’ve had it happen to me three times, and the last time was yesterday. With a guy I had thought I was arranging time with in Philadelphia, incidentally. Time before that the interaction was pretty good til it went to money/time talk and the “escort” got frustrated. Time before that was long ago, and the fee was way out of my league. I came later to learn he used an agent. It’d be interesting to know if the guys who are more interested in booking and getting a deposit right away before you can determine if you’re a good match are actually agents. I get that compatibility is not a big an issue for an hour of fucking, but if I’m doing an overnight or weekend with a guy, I want good-to-great compatibility.

“I’ll come to your city if you pay the way.” Isn’t that just “open to travel?”

Perhaps it’s just me, but I don’t like finding out that I deal with an agent when trying to interact with an escort. If somehow I find that out, I am likely to lose interest altogether in booking. Particularly if we’re talking about bookings that are expensive. If you can afford a booking agent, you’re charging too much. And if you don’t pay your agent but think you’re that busy that you need a one, then you have an inflated sense of yourself and I don’t need to spend time with that kind of personality – or encourage it with my financial support. Apologies if this topic has already been discussed in depth elsewhere. I didn’t find it when I did a search, but perhaps I didn’t search for the right term.

Not a provider here, but I can hardly see how that would be inappropriate. Particularly if the provider is involved with another client, he wouldn’t necessarily be looking at his texts anyhow. At least I would hope not. As a general rule, I would find such a text appropriate to anyone that you were coming to visit at a particular time. I find that oftentimes hosts are unready to receive you if you come too early to dinner or the like.

The pictures here are of beautiful men. I can’t deny that. My issue isn’t their outward appearance. It’s all the other incumbent matters related to being in a committed relationship with a transman. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am sure that there are countless and in numerable transmen who are responsible about all sorts of things and are mentally balanced. I’m just not prepared to go through the trial phase of learning that for someone else who is trans in dating. I’d rather avoid it all together having gone through a living hell with such a relationship already.

That, yes. It would make him very paranoid too. And if he had a project the following day where he needed to do heavy lifting etc he’d take extra T. Then some weeks he’d skip, under the mantra “Gender is fluid.”

I can’t keep up with it. I try. I’m corrected. I do my best to implement new language but I end up getting crucified anyhow.

Great scott! Don’t say that! It’s gender confirmation surgery.

It’s worth pointing out my ex sometimes abused/misused his HRT as well.

There’s the HRT and the psychological issues, yes. That was ultimately what undid our relationship. Particularly his psychological issues, which were not caused by his body dysmorphia, but definitely exacerbated by it. There was also the societal issues around trans rights. It was a constant concern about where we were welcome, not just as a gay couple, but as a gay couple with a transman as part of it. My ex could “pass” in most settings, but when he didn’t, it was almost certainly going to cause issues somehow. That added to his psychological issues that of course also made being his partner more difficult. That’s the reader’s digest version of things. But it’s a good summary.