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Most reasonable thing you’ve said. ??

Apologies at the outset if this is the wrong place for this discussion… Who here has had a positive experience on an Atlantis cruise? Who here has had a disappointing experience on an Atlantis cruise? Is it worth it? Is there any way to get around paying the kings ransom that the website shows it costs? I’ve thought about engaging an escort to accompany me for an Atlantis cruise, but the cost is so very expensive, particularly given that I would also have to compensate the provider and cover everything for him. Of course there’s the option of any run-of-the-mill cruise, but the Atlantis cruise has always held a certain appeal to me for obvious reasons. What say you?

Perhaps. There seems to be ambiguity about crosses the line, and some people are more sensitive to it than others. Some people are completely oblivious. Others may hold back for fear of violating rules when in fact they wouldn’t have. A clearer definition would be helpful, particularly as it comes to bear on reporting on less-than-positive experiences.

I generally find the posts with red flags are helpful than detailed descriptions about what happened. Tell me why to be wary but keep the details of your tryst between you and Mr. Escort.

This response is emblematic of why you cannot understand. You’re so caught up in your own needs, desires, and concerns that you’re unable to see anything beyond yourself. Your ego is in the way. Until you can put your ego aside, sacrifice yourself a bit, as was laid out in the suggestion (which I think is a good suggestion, although not one I may have made, still a good one) you will be unable to understand.

Jarrod… 1. You’ve made it clear you really don’t want an explanation by saying “nor do I need to“ when I said you don’t understand it. 2. If you cannot see the simplicity and transparency of the story without an explanation, no explanation is going to help you understand it. It’s like trying to explain that water is wet to somebody.

I don’t doubt that. It’s also, undoubtedly, part of their analysis who’s most likely to be swayed by an advertising campaign. I’m not saying millennials on the whole are or aren’t wearing masks. I’m just saying if New York thought it ineffectual to do such a campaign, they also wouldn’t attempt it. That’s surely part of the analysis. I don’t know anyone around my age who doesn’t wear a mask in public. Granted, my circle is like-minded, but my own experience has been middle aged and older folks are much more outspokenly anti-mask. That’s anecdotal but it is what it is.

I know I’m resurrecting a nearly dead thread here, but… …I’ve been turned off by some IG models who I’ve learned more about their business model. Where once I was into the idea of even hooking up, following their profiles and seeing their teasers as a means to get you to OF is offputting. I get that it’s part of business, but it just seems very commodified. Talk about caring for client or provider as a person – some IG models couldn’t care less.

Millenial here. I wear my mask. Spoke to my father on the phone yesterday. He’s 62. I asked him if he wears his mask in public. His response? “I guess I could do better.” If you can’t say “yes,” you’re not wearing your mask. He’s also not a millennial.

I’m not wasting my time. You’ve made up your mind you don’t need (want) to understand.

You really don’t see it, do you?

The other day I had a escort text me out of the blue how I was doing? He chatted with me for quite some time before he asked me when I wanted to meet up. I told him I’m not in a position right now to do any hiring. He kept texting me and giving me all kinds of sob story. Then I found out he’s having financial issues. He’s also stopped texting me now too. Seems reliable...

What are you looking for here? If it’s sympathy, I think you’ve gotten that. If it’s solutions, you don’t seem to like any of the answers that are given. Here someone who’s done has given feedback and you give it right back as basically useless. What are you looking for here?

Perhaps you build the cancellation fee into your deposit? And if they show up you don’t expect them to pay as much. Your idea about a cancellation fee, while normal under the circumstances for other sorts of business, is very difficult to enforce in the escorting world. Particularly given how easy it is to “flake.” You like deposits, just build the cancellation fee into the deposit, and then don’t charge as much per hour.

What is flaking? Is it needing to change plans? Because if that’s the case, I’ve had providers do the same to me.

How did a thread about clients being flakey become about BLM and dating women?

@Jarrod_Uncut – I mean this with all the charity I can muster…but you should probably really see a therapist. There’s A LOT going on in that post. Ultimately, yes, the decent thing to do is have the client tell you something came up. As far as that goes, the client doesn’t owe you an explanation of what came up. Although if I were the client, I would most definitely explain what came up. Depending on the circumstances, I would attempt to arrange a different date to me if I needed to change the schedule. Shit happens. It happens for clients. It happens for providers. I’ve had providers asked to change the date. I’m okay with that. They also don’t need to give me any explanation. It could well be that they have another client who’s going to pay more than me. I don’t know. But giving a heads up is called for. That’s the decent thing to do as far as human-to-human interactivity goes. No one owes anybody anything, but there is some level of decency that is expected between people who agree to some level of mutual interaction. In that regard you are right. But I do think that there seems to be a good bit of projection on your part in what you’ve written.

Thinking about this more, I will put it more finely: no one is going to spend that much time plotting against you. You don't matter that much. Clients have more important things to do than concern themselves with someone who, once they’ve provided the agreed upon service, has satisfied the demands of their role. Do you require a client to do more for you than pay you for your time? They need to invest more than their money in your life for your efforts to be valued?

You didn’t answer the question. Do you care about a client as a person? There’s a lot of rationalization going on here why you wouldn’t care about a client as a person after you’ve perceived to not care about you beyond being an escort. Perhaps a better a question would be: are clients more than clients to you? You seem to expect clients to treat you better than a service provider. cf. “they’ve already proven to not have any regard for me, once they’ve gotten what they wanted.” Do you go out of your way to treat a client as more than someone with whom you have a transactional relationship? Or do you expect compensation for every element of your interaction with them? Because if you regard as more than a client, your expectations are reasonable. If you see them as a client and want comped for every element of your interaction, it does make sense that they don’t regard you after they have the service satisfied. I don’t think about my barber after I leave the barber shop until I need to go get a haircut again. I don’t think about my doctor until I need a check up or I’m sick. I don’t think about my plumber until my toilet is overflowing. Once he’s solved the problem, I don’t think about him until I meet him again. Once a service provider provides a service, I don’t really need to regard them one way or another. Likewise I don’t expect them to spend any time thinking about me either.

It’s possible you’re projecting. Just possible. As @RJD said – shit happens.

My sense of the norm is skewed I think for dealing with escorts. I’ve tended to think anything less than 7” is small. Objectively I know that’s false but it’s what happens when you deal in skewed data. The norm is no longer the “norm.”

@Jarrod_Uncut – perhaps I’m cynical, but I assume that providers “lie” about being into clients. They feign interest and caring. They provide a service – the attention for a duration agreed upon with the expectation of certain activities happening, whatever they are agreed upon. But “caring” about clients seems to not be what the providers really are into. Now clients on the other hand...We, seeking attention, may well in fact fall victim to the notion we are cared about. That creates problems. But to have a provider want a client to care about them as a person seems odd to me. Unless I misunderstood what you mean by that. If you mean respect you as a person, that seems given until you possibly given them reason to believe you don’t mutually respect them. There are enough escorts who act like they’re doing a good work for the Lord when they provide for clients, even though they’re getting paid handsomely. Sometimes how some providers talk on this site I get the feeling providers have outright disdain for clients and see actually seeing them and pleasing them as some sort of loathsome chore. I have to remind myself that most escorts aren’t like that.

Or other orifices as desired ?

Do you care about them as a person?

“Coy” is a reluctance to engage what is actually being addressed. “Mr. Slater” was coy in that he wants us to believe escort income is reported to the IRS. Mr. Slater may report his, but we all know that the vast majority of escorts do not report it – precisely because of the questions it raises. Perhaps Mr. Slater includes his money obtained through escorting as a gain for his rental business. Whatever the case, it’s not for being an escort qua escort. The idea that we should accept that providers report their income from escorting for tax purposes is almost too rich to take seriously. The level to which some here will go to defend providers, the absurd lengths, is astounding. We all know most escorts don’t report the money they receive to the IRS. Yet here we are seriously discussing it. Recall the discussion earlier about housing and proof of income for a lease? Tax documentarion does that. You may have the funds and the income, but if you can’t legally document it, it doesn’t matter. If escorts don’t have some other sort of avenue to report their escorting income by, they have no legal documentation of their income. And if they’re reporting escorting income as a gain from running, say, a rental business, that’s illegal. cf. Breaking Bad. Any CPA can tell you that, Mr. Fitzpatrick. The absurdity of discussing the idea that escorts report their income from escorting as taxable to the IRS...yet here we are.