SirBillybob

A) Your longest paragraph does not track. B) Montreal’s city character does not rest on 2 venues. My take: 1) Both always had a night where women could enter; expanding the prerogative allowed survival when businesses were dropping like flies. But what do I know? I only popped by weekly or so for 2 decades to date. 20 paying bar guests was going to be better than 10. Now 100 better than 50. Oversaturation will not reverse the reboot. Gender sorting had been predicated on categorical admission and was informally legit with no legal challenge mounted; a reversal would prompt an overt exclusion with more complex rights implications. 2) Contrary to public opinion, women like to go out and party of a Fri or Sat. They would be wont to gravitate on weekends because they were wont to attend on Wed or Sun respectively. Why they would want? The interest was indelibly pre-established. 3) Cater to men; women welcome. They exercise autonomy and know the deal. 4) A current dearth of home-based banana & whipped cream stripper pop-ups and the ease of taking a bachelorette party on the road where spillage and neighbour complaints absent the next hungover morning 5) The broader the clientele the greater the potential for normalization, as the agenda is multifactorial with signature illegal components potentially whitewashed by virtue of a cabaret ambience. There is some degree of self-consciousness for gay men known in the community, a hurdle of discomfort and image to clear, to present in a strip club, in contrast to visitors with greater anonymity conferred. Expanding the agenda and the range of utility makes it more festival less cottaging.

So not so arousing a top? [‘twas just there like low hanging fruit😉]

Just aim the hack job accurately and miss the point so you don’t miss the point.

I was being facetious. Like I said, the scene has evolved and the venues have shape-shifted. Why is this so puzzling? No sub-constituency has first dibs. The nearby LCBO, Tim Horton’s, A&W are not orientation specific just because they are in a district with gay density. Whoever wants to boycott go ahead. Not my clubs; not my rules. The two club names had fluidity for playbook alteration.

I can only visualize a room without females. It has thus far not occurred over my 71 years. Gonna save my pennies for that YUL-FLL flight.

My getting bounced reference was related to comparing gender in terms of bad behaviour that prompts removal. It was not a reference to ladies night. There is no specific ladies night. Clinging to the label simply exacerbated existing confusion about the criteria for a male getting bounced. Getting bounced is behavioural, not related to the infrastructure aspects of gender inclusivity. Hohumdedum. Just another day in the bunny warren.

At the risk of duplication, as the OP is thorough, and the drilling down not meant to diminish the poor fella’s untimely end:

Sigh … Friends, Romantics, Countrymen. The notion of weekly one night at Campus, in The Village not village, being designated as “ladies night” might convey the impression that the other nights are male only. That was the case some time ago. The nomenclature is not important because there is nothing that distinguishes any one night of the week in terms of the prerogative for gender inclusivity. If splitting hairs re: labels were to cause confusion, then I would think it my responsibility to disabuse the reader of misperception regarding the gender mix at all times at Campus. The consistently applied gender mix has been referenced and I simply reiterate the venue’s governance regarding clientele. That said, anyone can label or perceive it any way they want. I’m not wasting more time on it. The chromosomal makeup of attendees is irrelevant. And I just snagged an arrangement for the summer, having intersected with a keeper there this weekend. So I’m just going to enjoy new hot as F photos over Brunch without panties in a bunch and find room in my ‘zap Contacts for a new stud name plus punctuation !!!!!!! It won’t be under ‘ladies night’ because I cannot locate any such sub-heading on my smartphone.

Naturally not the one to pronounce time of death, but I would recommend truncating this component of the discussion. It was beginning to manifest coherence with some TA direction. I think the topic peaked a few posts ago. I wouldn’t have leapt to macro level societal oppression, heaped upon the relatively affluenza-afflicted, when reading the news about this particular murder. Sex workers are more inducted by the privileged than groomed through the middle school vocational module of civics and career planning. As such, I would have thought somewhat about inequity as a factor in street rent dynamics; that came to mind, along with the aspect of individual judgement in the context of synaptic firing between grey matter and penile matter. In any case, I’m flipping again thru the course catalogue.

Now that we have just had some intelligent fleshing out of the thread themes, from the OP, another layer of consideration may qualify as interesting in relation to the city comparator point. In relation to the NCIS Rio-SP opinion …

Some of us see the light in the dark, over a full 10-pack entrance purchase in fact.

I think your narrative does not offset the reality that all evenings are gender inclusive and have been for some time. Old timey memory lane terms are fine. Historically, I’ve only seen a male bounced. The intolerance threshold in our diverse setting is, fortunately, fairly high.

Ok I see. I misread the heading. The facts are actually not ambiguous and are extant in media. If you were to transcend unnecessary hypotheses, what are your questions and where do you want this to go?

The question of the meaning of a murder is answered. It’s simple, rhetorical. There is really no question there. It’s easy to keep it tight and brief at that level. It is newsworthy and informative. Worthwhile to know, and the OP did a good thing. It made the news and is relatable at a human interest level and as a theme in which similar unfortunate events occurred. Typically calls for a ritual of acknowledgement and I think that was honoured upfront. Otherwise, what is the list of questions about what appears to be a thread that opened with a media article about a murder? Where is this seminar headed? I don’t pretend to have answers but I’m wondering about whether to hover or take a seat. Lastly, where might be a comprehensive list of seminars with some degree of organizational structure, less of a free-for-all that’s attempting to find a direction. I have historically only been connected to one Facebook group topic and it was useful to have a hand zeroing in on where to spend time and energy.

Huh? NCIS tourism? This is where assumptions to fit a narrative and vice versa is exemplified, dare I add? Hardball, softball, how the ratio plays out … I don’t see the objectivity. What I do grasp is confirmation bias. At an individual level it is the experiential that most dictates perspective, the setting where circumstances run most afoul of plans. I think the lesson here is that consistent vigilance overrides risk relativism. That said, most of life is rapid surface decision-making and usually turns out fine. Favouring one city over the other obviates the hassle of a 2-choice dilemma. In many ways linear thinking is the fastest and best route for action. However, for today’s purposes the city choice basically amounts to a coin toss for me. Externally sourced testimonials are generally poorly predictive. Yet the majority of commentary seems to highlight a tension among competing outlooks. To my way of thinking in the thread’s examples any overall city differential is far less relevant than the contrast between a young (savvier?) local and a young foreign national both prematurely six feet under.

There’s a workaround and hypothesizing needn’t abound. The sole witness to the introduction, murder, and everything spanning in between, has given a comprehensive blow by blow, with media privy to details. It’s not extremely new news.

Not trying to be contrarian but have not all nights been co-ed for some time? I live nearby and get weekly pizza right next door. Yet perhaps another change? Last banner ad for ladies night is 2016. New throwback?

If they cover up, that would be it. My attendance would be less pronounced. If it dwindled any more …

Pardon me. I meant to simply comment on the post from ‘Alfstoria’ regarding Kenzo’s origins and I hit the wrong quote button. I’ll try to backpedal above as well …. Deleted what I could. He offers a clue that he is 26 this year. That tracks given both our perceptions of his dancing history.

Right, considering human nature’s masterful impulse control, so many extenuating factors to whittle back cage time. Except for one thing. The witness has come out and is all in.

Not Mediterranean. Have known him several years from gym. Well past 20 yr age. Western hemisphere origins.

It’s as much ladies night as a night requiring Sunday choir robes.😉