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I've been the client in this situation once or twice.  And one time I actually went home without paying (the bliss😁!) without the escort's saying a word.  When I called a few hours later to apologize profusely and make arrangements to pay, he laughed off my apologies...he said he knew I would eventually figure it out.  Talk about trust!

I think your points make sense even for those of use who like twinks/fem guys...I haven't been to FTL for a while now,  but I've found that in Montreal, the quality of the twink dancers declined precipitously post ~2010.  As has the male strip club experience overall, as documented again and again in recent posts.  However,  I think the Montreal escort scene has changed for the better since then...which might correlate to the decline in the strip dancer scene.

"How would you know if a dancer would come to your place?"
Ask him.....
(This isn't nuclear physics).
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Since 1996, I've been hiring hot dancers for private hotel shows at both Campus and Stock. I'm no longer interested in spending my private hotel show budget on $20 dances in the back, so whenever a hottie at the club I'm interested in approaches me or vice-versa, I politely let them know right off the bat that I'm only looking for a private hotel show, in order not to waste their valuable time. By doing so, it eliminates the dudes who are either not open to doing them or not available that night, while starting a brief convo / negotiation about connecting back at my hotel with the guys who are open. Having cut to the chase, I then let them know briefly what services I'm ideally looking for and ask about their specific fee. I'm typically only looking to give perform one-way oral + kissing, so anything above $300 is a total non-starter for me and I make that politely clear in order not to waste anyone's time. Many dancers though aren't actually doing much more than that from my experience, although there are certainly exceptions! And depending on multiple factors, the dancer may either agree, decline, or let me know he'll circle back later depending on how his night goes. His decision will typically be based on multiple factors, including how busy the night is...how much $$ he's made...what monthly bills need immediate paying...other customer offers for private shows...the specific services being sought...if you're a regular private hotel show client...if you have a solid reputation with other dancer friends of theirs at the club...if you're staying at a nearby hotel...and whether you're asking early on in their shift or later near closing when they have the best grasp of their financial situation that night and other higher-fee private show opportunities!:) At the end of the day for most of these guys, it all comes down to bottom-line $$$ offered and their financial need, provided you don't come across in a sketchy, unprofessional, unfriendly or disrespectful manner. Some dancers typically will give you the familiar line about "let's do some dances in the back first" before talking further about a private hotel show, "so we can get to know each other better". LOL > some guys mean this sincerely, but for most of them it's just another way of getting your $20 private dance business at the club and they're never really available for private hotel shows!:) The dancers who are truly open to & experienced with high-fee hotel shows do not require to "get to know you better first" in the back > I've learned that the expensive way many times in the past!:) And while dancers can certainly leave the club on their breaks throughout the night for nearby private hotel shows, I've typically found these to be much more rushed vs waiting until after they finish their shift and they're then more focused on you for the standard unrushed standard full 60 minute session!

I took a flight from Anaheim to Vegas once in my late 20’s to see a concert. It was a southwest flight with no assigned seats. I was early to board and chose a window seat. As the plane filled up a gorgeous blonde haired, blue eyed, twunk in his early 20’s sat next to me. He was stunning. He struck up a conversation with me and our lives together flashed before my eyes.  It’s like the world moved in slow motion. He had perfect skin, teeth and hair and was so interested in me. The conversation was flowing and I was getting more and more into him as the flight went on. Before I knew it, they were announcing that our 45 minute flight was preparing to land. As I was praising the conversation and saying that we should keep in touch, he reached into his bag, presumably to get something to write his number on, and said he felt the same way.

Then he handed me a magazine about John Smith and the Mormon Church and told me how much better Vegas would be with God. I thought i met the man of my dreams and he was just recruiting heathens to his religion. I remember letting a quick cackle slip as a sense of embarrassing foolishness pulsed through me. 
To date, whenever I see a beautiful blonde, or a Mormon, I smile thinking about our wonderful 45 minutes together and how ridiculous I felt when I realized I wasn’t getting married, I was getting saved.

I think your points make sense even for those of use who like twinks/fem guys...I haven't been to FTL for a while now,  but I've found that in Montreal, the quality of the twink dancers declined precipitously post ~2010.  As has the male strip club experience overall, as documented again and again in recent posts.  However,  I think the Montreal escort scene has changed for the better since then...which might correlate to the decline in the strip dancer scene.

Not much more to the story.  We were young and everything happens a lot faster back then 😉.  I do remember after fooling around we went back into the club so he could get his bag.  Lights were full on and he was still beautiful.  We exchanged numbers, but never saw each other again. But I'll never forget it.  
There were other nights I went to this club when they had dancers.  I remember the lady who checked id's just knew I was underaged and would always say "be careful in there.  Don't let anyone buy you a drink".  Good advice.  Most guys in there were in their 30's and I was fresh meet.
There was one dancer who would come and he was super straight.  But I managed to talk him up and he invited me to an after bars party.  He was there to pick up girls, but he needed to bring beer to the party.  He was 19 or 20.  Well, I told him I'd buy a 6pack for him if he let me blow him. He agreed, but he said he didn't want to cum since he wanted to score that night with the ladies.  So outside of this house, we went against the back wall and I went at it. He kept saying, "ok, ok, that's enough, you are going to make me ... aw, fuck it" and shot his load.  Totally worth a six pack of bud light. 
 

My fave would have to be my very first.
Picture it... Nob Hill Theatre, 1978, me 22, midwestern and very closeted, visiting family in the East Bay, on a solo day trip to the city. Hopped off a cable car, mid afternoon, as the Bush St marquee was visible from Powell. Too shy and broke for serious engagement with dancers, but it was not just my first motion-picture porn, but more urgently, the first in-person sighting of an erection that was not my own. 🫪Devastatingly huge secret to hold for another two years til I moved west and got my hands on one. Never had that particular sort of adrenaline rush since. 

Seems like a lot more of the bad and ugly than the good 
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Plus, I’m doing my best to turn the straight guys gay. I’m having quite a lot of success.

I've had several young men at several strip clubs remember me and thank me for pushing them to open a Roth IRA when I visited them a year later.  I can't get past a 5th song during a private dance with someone without asking him how he's planning for his retirement.

just once, on the way back to Detroit from a Body Electric weekend in Chicago. It was the 'beginner' session, it emphasized touch and creative ways to masturbate, but discouraged actual orgasm. I was so horned up I jerked off on the several-hour drive back home. 

I agree with everything the providers have said here, with the exception that we don't advertise here - every post here is an advertisement and a work of PR. Intentionally or not. 
I started this moniker after long time reading posts and thinking - what if I contribute and said out loud what we are thinking without the restrictions of worrying how it will affect my brand? And so many questions on threads are asked, where to me the answer seems so obvious. I wanted to participate and not be burdened by having to PR manage myself. 
For eg. One thread asked 'Would providers would prefer a nice time with a booking, or a tip'. Well, we like both, but if we had to pick one, I replied we would prefer a tip.  What followed was someone admonishing me 'instead of wanting a tip why don't you just raise your price' I replied - "well, because that wasn't an option in the question that was posed." He replied "you didn't answer my question and you are not a moderator so BUZZ OFF'.
How lovely. 
So this ignited another curiosity - what would be the result if I spit the same venom back at the people who post it here so regularly? Would it make people sit back and think 'oh this is how i sound?' Would I get pleasure ticking them off? (how many times, in ANY industry, have we wished we could tell a customer or collegue how silly we think they are. There is not one person in the world who hasn't wished they could tell their boss to go suck it.)
The experiment was doomed to fail because we are all our own hero in our own story and it often went straight over their heads. I never posted a mean comment unless it was in reply, yet the vitriol comes at me in spades. One time I even copy/pasted a comment they themselves had previously made and the person still never realized this but were of course- incredibly offended. There has also definitely been an element of 'you don't even go here!'. 'A real provider would NEVER think this!' 'My paid friends told me so, so you must be lying!' I have received some private messages of encouragement though so I guess it balances out in the end?
Anyway -  I am not surprised more providers haven't participated. You just need to read the threads and see the way providers are spoken about to see why. I can't say it better than people who are providers already have. 
SIDE NOTE-
My real life experiences with clients are for the most part, incredibly lovely. 99% of the people I actually meet are fantastic. I have had some really special and intimate moments, helped people through hard and personal times in their lives in a way that only a provider can. I have had some incredible sex with clients and even with actual porn stars, travelled to cities I otherwise would not been able to. I have clients that have become good friends. Sometimes in my head I say "man i am so lucky, I would do this for free!" I work hard and I look after myself but I am blessed that I am also attractive enough to be in the industry. I don't ever forget that, and that I am lucky and am grateful. I am not arrogant about the fact that I get to do this. I don't walk around thinking 'i deserve this'.
The experience of real life compared to this forum is like night and day.
There IS a reason more of us don't post. If people want that to change, some people here should really think about how they contribute to that.... or even dare I say it: why some of us only post anonymously?
 

You mean, obsessing over where a post should go isn't stressful enough? 😈  Moderating behavior? Have you ever tried that? Would you do it for free? If you start moderating what people write and how they write, in short time the board will be empty. Careful what you wish for.
Most internet forums are archaic. Young people don't and won't participate. God forbid you try to get someone under 30 use to email anymore. Writing takes time, and nobody has time. That's why the HE fraudsters can do so well.
I know from my former hairdresser partner that this question is a longtime conundrum in the intimate service industry. Is it appropriate to socialize with customers? He always said an emphatic no. My partner said it's OK to be friendly with a customer, but never assume they are your friend.
Forums like these are social environments. Some people think it's easy to mix business with social pleasure. It's not. Some guys know how to navigate challenging waters. Others turn into gold fish when facing a shark.
A review site, especially about sex, can't be a friendly place for providers by default. Who is good at accepting criticism? Do you know any actors who love their critics, and want to be social with them? Let's get real.
I've discovered several new masseurs thanks to this forum. I have also learned more about escorting. I would hate for the candid review-speak to end. If there are smart providers who wish to use the forum to self-promote and socialize with customers, then I support that. But they have to know, or learn, what they can do and what they can't do. It's kind of like joining any social club. Human nature sets the rules.

Yeah I know. Thanks for confirming it for me.
<<stands back awaiting abuse>>
 

With no imminent chance of scheduling, particularly if they’re out of your area, there’s really not much a provider can do beyond polite response.  To me that’s actually positive; they were professional in that they didn’t ignore me and left the door open for a future meeting.  

If I understood @badger correctly,  he understands that it's ok, or desirable, to be explicit about what he wants -- but he is too shy/inhibited to express himself directly (something I understand from personal experience).  Sharing porn that illustrates what you lust for is one way to deal with that shyness.  Another might be to phrase things a little obliquely, along the lines of "I saw a porn scene once that really turned me on.  They were [fill in the blank]."  Or, a little more directly, "I sometimes find myself fantasizing about [...]."
Absolutely!  Some escorts will naturally push you to explore; others hesitate for fear of scaring you or turning you off.  Letting them know that you're open to new experiences is important.

If I understood @badger correctly,  he understands that it's ok, or desirable, to be explicit about what he wants -- but he is too shy/inhibited to express himself directly (something I understand from personal experience).  Sharing porn that illustrates what you lust for is one way to deal with that shyness.  Another might be to phrase things a little obliquely, along the lines of "I saw a porn scene once that really turned me on.  They were [fill in the blank]."  Or, a little more directly, "I sometimes find myself fantasizing about [...]."
Absolutely!  Some escorts will naturally push you to explore; others hesitate for fear of scaring you or turning you off.  Letting them know that you're open to new experiences is important.

unrealistic sex scenes in the sense that they gay guys performed anal as if they were a hetero couple having missionary sex. We are to assume that neither of the bottoms in their respective shows had ever bottomed before. Yet there was no awkwardness, no reflection of being uncomfortable or in any type of pain whatsoever. In Brokeback the lube used for these first timers was saliva. In Red White and Royal Blue no lubricant at all was indicated, and the bottom acted as if he were a seasoned veteran. 
The anal scenes in Heated Rivalry were much more authentic. Bottom took some time to get comfortable and clearly displayed the parts of being a bottom that take some getting used to. The top continually checked on his partner to see if he was ok. He performed as if he knew what he was doing and that he had definitely done this before. The orgasm was very realistic. 
I wasn't complaining just to complain. I guess I was saying that the anal in Heated Rivalry looked very much like the real thing. The other two movies had gay sex like a straight Hollywood Director might direct it.
I liked all three movies and am grateful that there are any movies at all that show intimacy and relationships between two men. 

All these biases are so Victorian and old fashioned. And especially in this forum. It takes two to tango. And shame on all of you for disparaging our partners in sin. 😈👼🏻

Would it be too much to ask for you to provide some links to the images that have outraged you, so that others might (or might not) share your disgust?

As a 2-decade niceGuy escort, I can tell you your thinking is wrong.  We are paid, and it's not an act.  Both are true. 
 
It's genuine fun and passion that just happens to be paid.  (Ok, those providers who say "I love you" without being asked to, that's laying it on thick) What is getting in the way of it being a long term thing is not that we were/are acting, it's that we aren't an option because of our work and most of the time neither are you because "fill in the blank".
Don't "move on" by telling yourself it was an act.  What a horrible thing to do to yourself, and horrible way to think of him.  Rather, remind yourself that it was good, it is good, and it can not be for many very real reasons.  All those things are true and unchangeable.

yup...I love dark and seedy and (therefore) the old Johnny's.  For me, darkness and seediness are compromised once women are part of the crowd...which is also why old Montreal appealed much more to me than new Montreal

Should I pay a deposit for an Uber driver, and then leave him a tip if he lets me blow him while driving?  I seek exclusively straight Uber drivers (How's that for merging topics 😉)
Any 411 on straight Uber drivers? (I'm not specifying a city, to get as many unhelpful responses as possible)