massagefan320
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massagefan320 got a reaction from Johnrom in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
He was shirtless and naked at the end the last time I saw him, see my post.
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massagefan320 reacted to BrklynNYC in *Jose_ok NYC
Still the best massage+extra combo. Completely relaxed after. 😉 And a nice person to boot!
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massagefan320 got a reaction from nychungdl in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
I went back, I got the Miami treatment described above. He must have gotten the memo.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from Leandronyc in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
I agree with the don't do a hard sell. I will go even further, I don't like it when I am contacted after a massage at all. Sometimes I will get texts saying, please leave me a review. It comes off as desperate and makes me feel like, is this person not getting much business, why not? I would offer one hour massages. Some people are busy, and/or think one hour should be enough. The hour therapeutic massages I get are good enough for me. Hour and a half may be viewed as, oh, he wants to get more money out of me. The most important things to me are to be dependable, don't take an appointment if there is any chance you will cancel it (I know emergencies happen, but besides that, don't be cancelling appointments because your friend wants to have a drink with you at the last minute, for instance), and to be at least somewhat personable to the person during the appointment (before and after), don't make me feel like I am just a source of income for you. You don't have to talk during the massage or be over the top, but I need more than ten words during the entire encounter. Most of all give a great massage, which it sounds like you take seriously.
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massagefan320 reacted to + PhileasFogg in What went wrong?
Personally, I try to do all my “what about me’s” and “what I’m into’s” in the introductory message.
At that point, they can assess if it’s a match for what they do and logistics questions can develop from there.
These labored and drawn out inquiries over multiple texts (perhaps over 30+ minutes) seem tedious and easy to sidetrack when responses overlap
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massagefan320 got a reaction from soloyo215 in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
I am not saying don't offer 90 minute massages, offer both 60 and 90. Some providers offer 120 also.
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massagefan320 reacted to Typical in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
Maybe link an ad when you post here so people can actually find you?
Very few people want to make a 90 minute commitment with someone they haven’t previously met. That said, $165 for 90 minutes is low, so I guess that cuts both ways. In any case, while you are building a client base, it’s a good idea to offer shorter sessions at even a nominally reduced rate. I’ve never scheduled a 90 minute session with someone new to me and I probably wouldn’t.
Also, for me scheduling a massage appointment depends on my mood and what’s going on at the time. It would never occur to me to book another appointment on the same day as finishing a session. My bookings are almost always same day requests when the mood strikes and I have the free time. This isn’t a root canal follow up.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from MassageCommunityMember in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
I agree with the don't do a hard sell. I will go even further, I don't like it when I am contacted after a massage at all. Sometimes I will get texts saying, please leave me a review. It comes off as desperate and makes me feel like, is this person not getting much business, why not? I would offer one hour massages. Some people are busy, and/or think one hour should be enough. The hour therapeutic massages I get are good enough for me. Hour and a half may be viewed as, oh, he wants to get more money out of me. The most important things to me are to be dependable, don't take an appointment if there is any chance you will cancel it (I know emergencies happen, but besides that, don't be cancelling appointments because your friend wants to have a drink with you at the last minute, for instance), and to be at least somewhat personable to the person during the appointment (before and after), don't make me feel like I am just a source of income for you. You don't have to talk during the massage or be over the top, but I need more than ten words during the entire encounter. Most of all give a great massage, which it sounds like you take seriously.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from Capitano in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
I agree with the don't do a hard sell. I will go even further, I don't like it when I am contacted after a massage at all. Sometimes I will get texts saying, please leave me a review. It comes off as desperate and makes me feel like, is this person not getting much business, why not? I would offer one hour massages. Some people are busy, and/or think one hour should be enough. The hour therapeutic massages I get are good enough for me. Hour and a half may be viewed as, oh, he wants to get more money out of me. The most important things to me are to be dependable, don't take an appointment if there is any chance you will cancel it (I know emergencies happen, but besides that, don't be cancelling appointments because your friend wants to have a drink with you at the last minute, for instance), and to be at least somewhat personable to the person during the appointment (before and after), don't make me feel like I am just a source of income for you. You don't have to talk during the massage or be over the top, but I need more than ten words during the entire encounter. Most of all give a great massage, which it sounds like you take seriously.
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massagefan320 reacted to + 7829V in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
I agree with what @Jamie21 said.
Personal connection is HUGE too. I’ve had technically perfect massages at great rates, but the vibe just wasn’t there… and I never booked again.
My regulars almost never ask me to rebook. I just genuinely like them as people and enjoy their energy 🙂 That part matters way more than most people think.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from pubic_assistance in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
He was shirtless and naked at the end the last time I saw him, see my post.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from soloyo215 in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
I normally don't hire escorts as much as I hire masseurs. I know there are flakes both with clients and providers. I overheard my cardiologist tell his nurse, there were three no-show patients today.
I read a thread discussing total flaking when someone is not responding, but the provider I was supposed to see tonight was responding. someone who is well reviewed on this message board. I asked for an appointment in the evening, and he gave me a time, I said ok. He texted me about an hour before the appointment asking if we could move it half an hour, I said ok. As the appointment time approached, he asked if we could move it another half an hour. I reluctantly said ok, but I told him I couldn't do any time after. Then I got a message later saying it wasn't going to happen tonight. I wasn't offered any excuse on why the appointment couldn't happen, like the subway was late, the super wanted to fix something, etc.
After one delay, should I have just said, forget it? I have never met this provider before. I don't live in the city, so I literally can't wait all night. Also, this typically happens to me on Sunday afternoons/nights, I assume people are just out of town and can't get back into the city in time? They are hanging out with their friends, or with another client I assume? Also, when do providers normally want to work, M-F 9-5? I know it depends, but just for the sake of my time, weekend nights I get flaked on the most.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from GossipSummary in Matt D Healing Bodywork
He asked me for my name and photo. When I refused the photo, he said he doesn't feel comfortable with strangers in his apartment without a face. He has had a couple of scary instances. He would work for a spa instead if he is worried about his security.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from marylander1940 in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
I normally don't hire escorts as much as I hire masseurs. I know there are flakes both with clients and providers. I overheard my cardiologist tell his nurse, there were three no-show patients today.
I read a thread discussing total flaking when someone is not responding, but the provider I was supposed to see tonight was responding. someone who is well reviewed on this message board. I asked for an appointment in the evening, and he gave me a time, I said ok. He texted me about an hour before the appointment asking if we could move it half an hour, I said ok. As the appointment time approached, he asked if we could move it another half an hour. I reluctantly said ok, but I told him I couldn't do any time after. Then I got a message later saying it wasn't going to happen tonight. I wasn't offered any excuse on why the appointment couldn't happen, like the subway was late, the super wanted to fix something, etc.
After one delay, should I have just said, forget it? I have never met this provider before. I don't live in the city, so I literally can't wait all night. Also, this typically happens to me on Sunday afternoons/nights, I assume people are just out of town and can't get back into the city in time? They are hanging out with their friends, or with another client I assume? Also, when do providers normally want to work, M-F 9-5? I know it depends, but just for the sake of my time, weekend nights I get flaked on the most.
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massagefan320 reacted to + Jamie21 in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
Work time is extremely random because you never know when you’ll get clients and they tend to book with short notice (a few days in advance at most, often on the day). So you end up having wide working time availability to maximise bookings. That still leaves you kicking your heels sometimes so you have lots of ‘plan B’ activities ready in case no one books. It does mean lots of juggling and last minute changes of plan.
I’m mainly available 10am to 10pm weekdays (that’s the window not the shift!!!) and weekends it’s daytime. The pattern I see is that most guys want to schedule within those broad times and Saturday or Sunday evening is quite unusual. I try to keep those times clear to do other pre planned things. That’s probably why you find guys more flaky those times. He probably was doing something else and took your booking in the expectation/hope he’d be free but it didn’t work out. He probably shouldn’t have taken it or he should have warmed you he might have to postpone when you booked. I decline the booking if there’s a good chance I’ll be delayed because it’s just too stressful trying to make the time and then giving a good service.
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massagefan320 reacted to mtaabq in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
For a 1st-time meeting I’ll give anyone 15 minutes leeway; 30 in Los Angeles. If a provider calls me BEFORE he’s late to tell me he’s running late … anything up to 30 mins and I’m usually good with that. If a provider is further delayed after that, I’ll cancel. If a provider calls me after he’s already late … all bets are off and I cancel. Truthfully, it doesn’t happen often. {Full disclosure - I did, once, make an exception to my own rules and allowed a provider to show up over an hour late - and he was worth it!} I like to think I’m pretty reasonable (YMMV, lol) and I understand that things can happen, but there’s a limit.
If I am seeing a provider whom I have hired before I am probably going to be a little more flexible. After all, if I’m seeing them a 2nd (or 3rd) time, he must be good.
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massagefan320 reacted to JayCeeKy in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
Over the past year, I’ve noticed a significant increase in last-minute postponements and cancellations from escorts - (and I am guessing that providers might report the same thing about some clients as well). It has become especially frustrating when I’ve already invested time and money into the arrangement: booking hotels, traveling to another city, and mentally gearing up for what was supposed to be an enjoyable experience.
What disappoints me most is not only the inconvenience, but also the financial cost and repeated sense of letdown. More troubling is that this pattern is now occurring even with some of my semi-regular hires, whom I previously considered dependable.
At this point, I’m conflicted. Part of me feels that continued unreliability should simply be a dealbreaker - after all, most people would stop seeing a doctor who was repeatedly unavailable with little notice. On the other hand, I wonder whether this is simply part of the business and something I should accept with patience.
It’s difficult to decide where to draw the line, particularly when the chemistry and attraction are otherwise excellent. But reliability and respect for someone’s time do matter, and repeated cancellations inevitably erode my interest in this already expensive "hobby."
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massagefan320 got a reaction from Jacob_b in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
I normally don't hire escorts as much as I hire masseurs. I know there are flakes both with clients and providers. I overheard my cardiologist tell his nurse, there were three no-show patients today.
I read a thread discussing total flaking when someone is not responding, but the provider I was supposed to see tonight was responding. someone who is well reviewed on this message board. I asked for an appointment in the evening, and he gave me a time, I said ok. He texted me about an hour before the appointment asking if we could move it half an hour, I said ok. As the appointment time approached, he asked if we could move it another half an hour. I reluctantly said ok, but I told him I couldn't do any time after. Then I got a message later saying it wasn't going to happen tonight. I wasn't offered any excuse on why the appointment couldn't happen, like the subway was late, the super wanted to fix something, etc.
After one delay, should I have just said, forget it? I have never met this provider before. I don't live in the city, so I literally can't wait all night. Also, this typically happens to me on Sunday afternoons/nights, I assume people are just out of town and can't get back into the city in time? They are hanging out with their friends, or with another client I assume? Also, when do providers normally want to work, M-F 9-5? I know it depends, but just for the sake of my time, weekend nights I get flaked on the most.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from Wickedsexy in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
He was shirtless and naked at the end the last time I saw him, see my post.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from + Vegas_Millennial in JFK layover
LIRR is faster than the subway if you are going to Penn Station.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from pubic_assistance in JFK layover
LIRR is faster than the subway if you are going to Penn Station.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from + bencleve29 in JFK layover
LIRR is faster than the subway if you are going to Penn Station.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from mike carey in JFK layover
LIRR is faster than the subway if you are going to Penn Station.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from BigDMike in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
I went back, I got the Miami treatment described above. He must have gotten the memo.
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massagefan320 got a reaction from pubic_assistance in Eli / Elicarmelo in NYC
I went back, I got the Miami treatment described above. He must have gotten the memo.