Ichabod
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Ichabod reacted to + Jamie21 in surcharge for use of shower…?
It’s the low cost airline pricing strategy.
Cheap Rubs! Your massage is $40!!! Great value!…… Ok now for the optional extras: You want a table? That’s $30 extra. Oil? Another $20. Masseur naked? $30, want to suck his cock? $20 (per inch). What destination was it you wanted? Was it ‘CHM, Cum in His Mouth’? Sorry we don’t go there… but we do go to the nearby QDH: Quick Disinterested Handjob’. That’s $280….
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Ichabod got a reaction from Otterlybelievable in AVOID: Tasteyhands in NYC
We all have to make our own risk assessments, but I think Typical's advice is too sweeping. I have had dozens of providers come to my house or my hotel room over the years and I have never had problems specific to hosting. Guys who don't perform well, who try to upcharge, who shortchange you on time - these situations seem unrelated to where the session is taking place. The stuff scopitone is dealing with could just as easily have happened at the provider's place.
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Ichabod reacted to Capitano in AVOID: Tasteyhands in NYC
I'd more or less gently remind him that blackmail and extortion are illegal and that he needs to apologize, delete those pix, and never-ever contact you again. If he continues to be obnoxious, he should deal with police & the justice system.
PS I strongly suspect that you are not the only one going through this, so think of this as community service. Just like this post, thank you for alerting us all.
PPS Case in point:
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Ichabod reacted to dolorespark in surcharge for use of shower…?
For some reason, the text in the original post is white and therefore not visible. If you highlight it, you can read the text.
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Ichabod reacted to dcman in surcharge for use of shower…?
Well, this post certainly lacks in details. Are you saying someone wanted to bill you for using the shower? Well, I would tell them to go fuck themselves. Just my 2 coppers....
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Ichabod reacted to DenverDad in Status Misrepresentation
Well it would be nice if the provider (or anyone) would be honest about their status and what they are doing to manage their health, if they are on Prep, etc but it is our responsibility to decide if the risk is worth it and take appropriate precautions. This is not just for HIV but also for any STI.
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Ichabod reacted to TBD in Question for other clients that like Black tops
i don't know about the race element but i can say when it comes to porn stars that i follow (mostly tops) when i see them do a bottom video it does make me not like them as much. With the bottoms that i follow when i see them top it doesn't give me the ick in the same way.
probably internal misogyny going on there.
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Ichabod got a reaction from ThrowawayAccount in Question regarding communication with a new provider
Two thoughts:
First, this guy seems very unlikely to give you an experience you'll be happy with.
And second, this sounds like A LOT of pre-meeting communication. If I were this provider, I would be wondering whether you were every going to get down to business and schedule a meeting. Could that be a factor in your most recent (unsatisfying) exchange with him?
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Ichabod reacted to + Jamie21 in 1 year independent, hit a wall with client retention & mark
20% retention rate isn’t bad. You’ve only been going a year, needs longer. It takes ages to build a regular client base.
You say you use a script post session. I wouldn’t do that. A script feels like a hard sell. Have a few messages you’d like to get over but do it in a personal way that is tuned towards the client. You need to get to know them at a more personal level. My guess is they feel ‘sold to’ and massage (whatever the style) is a very personal one to one service. Make it so they feel you see them as a whole person not another client. Contact them after the session to see how the session improved their pain (tell them you’ll do a follow up call in a week or so and are they ok with that?). You’ll get re bookings on those calls (but don’t force it).
Also I think offering a one hour session is a good idea. People want to try you out before committing to a longer session. You could do the 1 hour and then offer the next 90m at a reduced rate. That reduces the barrier of the unknown for them and gives them the full experience at a reduced cost. Once you build in them the habit of coming back they’ll come back more.
Business courses aren’t the place to learn this stuff. Learn it by doing. Ask the 20% of customers who do come back why they do so. Ask all your customers how they found you and what made them book. Listen to your customers. The answers are there , not in a business course. That would be a waste of money and time.
Basically the number one rule is know who your customer is, understand what they want, and give it to them in a way that is satisfying but leaves space for more. In everything think of your customer first. You don’t go wrong if you think about who they are and what they want. Oh and whilst you’ll get great advice on business on here from successful providers (☺️) your client base is unlikely to be on here….
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Ichabod reacted to JayinHKNYC in Hottest Massage Video Ever?
I haven't watched the fun part yet but the first minute is hilarious. Posing for the camera, fine, but wearing the cap onto the table, yeah we all do that, and I always am caught wearing the same underwear as my masseurs.
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Ichabod reacted to Bookguy in Montréal trip report (and first post)
Bumping, original question. Thanks!
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Ichabod reacted to SecretProvider in What went wrong?
Because I have time today, The red flags listed:
- I'm new. (for reasons mentioned above)
- creating a new profile to reach out. (this is often done by spam bots who create new accounts daily, or seasoned tire kickers who know if we see how old/visit the profile they have had means they wouldn't be messaging this way if they were genuine.)
-Not answering the very simple yet important question, which had to be asked THREE TIMES - what do you want to do? What do you get into? What do you like to do when it comes to gay sex? (could be answered in a non-explicit way, although to be fair I despise when people answer with 'i'm looking to have fun' because what the hell does that mean) For me this was the biggest red flag.
- asking questions that are already answered on his profile no1 - (do you do bb) listed on our profiles as safe only/ask me/anything goes. Maybe this provider had 'ask me' as his answer but the following two points would suggest that is not the case.
- asking questions that are already answered on his profile no2 - (are you neg) If he has taken the time to set up a new profile to reach out, why wouldn't he have read the providers stats? He was elongating the conversation for interaction.
- asking questions that are already answered on his profile no3 - asking the provider what THEY are into (this a common theme for the tire kickers trying to elicit free conversation of sexual nature. You tell us what YOU like, what we 'like' other than getting paid is irrelevant and the truthful answer is probably not fucking you)
- asking sexual questions with obvious answers - do you like to breed. (find me one top who would say 'no i hate it')
- He asked about traveling and hosting, despite later saying he only wanted to travel. Why would he ask about both if he only wanted one. If he wanted the provider to host he would have said "i am looking for someone to host, where are you located?' (example of elongating conversation instead of making a booking)
- "and other services?" This is a classic way to get conversation instead of booking. Real client would say 'i saw you list available for videos, can i ask what you allow?" or " i would be really interested in filming some of our encounter, is that included in a session?" these questions would provide an answer, but that is not what he wanted - he wanted to explore conversations ABOUT making videos, rather than meeting and actually doing it.
I hope this illustrates more about how the language of his texts were trying to get a conversation rather than firm down a booking. Does only one of these things mean automatic red flag block and ignore? Of course not. But the sum is greater than the parts, and after a while you start to be able to spot them easier.
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Ichabod reacted to Nue2thegame in What went wrong?
Yes, that balance is critical. I provide limited initial information (lest I inadvertently text to a Sunday school teacher or an idle ICE agent) and once I confirm their identity, I’m a little more forthcoming. I make my choices based on what they reveal in their ad and don’t feel the need for a detailed pre-event questionnaire. If I’m pleased with the encounter, I’m likely to return, if not, I chalk it up to experience and move on. Many providers are inundated with client queries and have little patience for ongoing dialogs. So far, this approach has worked well for me.
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Ichabod reacted to SecretProvider in Providers/Would You Freak Out & Clients/Am I The Only One
I can say that this has never happened to me. It would 100% shock me if someone pulled their teeth out before sucking me off.
However, if they advised me of it beforehand, I would have no problem with it at all.
Like always - speak with your provider beforehand. We just want to know so that instead of being worried you have been offended by us being shocked 😯, we can just focus completely on your pleasure. Help us make it a seamless and pleasurable time for you.
I had a guy take down his pants and reveal he had a fake leg and was amputated above the knee. No issue about that - but warning would be nice!
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Ichabod reacted to SecretProvider in What went wrong?
A very typical time wasting client. You had to ask him THREE times what he wanted to do, which is a BIG RED FLAG.
All of his questions could very easily been put in one message - but he wanted to drag things out. He wanted an interaction, not to make a booking.
You want to be able to give first-time hires the benefit of the doubt and some grace, but also I have lost count of the amount of times I have received a text saying "i am new, this is the first time I have reached out to anyone...", only to see they have had a RM profile for 5 years with thousands of views and or many Mr Number reviews. For some reason many clients think they will get more grace/attention/away with more if they say they are new - or it is a kind of fetish.
In any case, this client knew what he was doing.
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Ichabod reacted to + Kman in What went wrong?
My guess is he found a cheaper or more ideal hire. The client, to me, was asking a lot of questions at once and the provider was just trying to answer them all.
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Ichabod reacted to JayCeeKy in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
Over the past year, I’ve noticed a significant increase in last-minute postponements and cancellations from escorts - (and I am guessing that providers might report the same thing about some clients as well). It has become especially frustrating when I’ve already invested time and money into the arrangement: booking hotels, traveling to another city, and mentally gearing up for what was supposed to be an enjoyable experience.
What disappoints me most is not only the inconvenience, but also the financial cost and repeated sense of letdown. More troubling is that this pattern is now occurring even with some of my semi-regular hires, whom I previously considered dependable.
At this point, I’m conflicted. Part of me feels that continued unreliability should simply be a dealbreaker - after all, most people would stop seeing a doctor who was repeatedly unavailable with little notice. On the other hand, I wonder whether this is simply part of the business and something I should accept with patience.
It’s difficult to decide where to draw the line, particularly when the chemistry and attraction are otherwise excellent. But reliability and respect for someone’s time do matter, and repeated cancellations inevitably erode my interest in this already expensive "hobby."
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Ichabod reacted to SecretProvider in Colder and Short DMs on RM
I saw a guys profile the other day and he gave advice as to how to reach out and I thought it was fantastic - Short, simple, polite, and serious!
Hello, my name is (Desired name)
I’m in (Desired City) and i would like to get together with you (Desired date and time)
I’m interested in ( Desired information)
I can almost guarantee that you will get a good reply if you use this template with a solid provider. I think a good general rule is = you get the same energy back you put into the message.
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Ichabod reacted to + Jamie21 in Delays in appointments, when to throw in the towel?
Work time is extremely random because you never know when you’ll get clients and they tend to book with short notice (a few days in advance at most, often on the day). So you end up having wide working time availability to maximise bookings. That still leaves you kicking your heels sometimes so you have lots of ‘plan B’ activities ready in case no one books. It does mean lots of juggling and last minute changes of plan.
I’m mainly available 10am to 10pm weekdays (that’s the window not the shift!!!) and weekends it’s daytime. The pattern I see is that most guys want to schedule within those broad times and Saturday or Sunday evening is quite unusual. I try to keep those times clear to do other pre planned things. That’s probably why you find guys more flaky those times. He probably was doing something else and took your booking in the expectation/hope he’d be free but it didn’t work out. He probably shouldn’t have taken it or he should have warmed you he might have to postpone when you booked. I decline the booking if there’s a good chance I’ll be delayed because it’s just too stressful trying to make the time and then giving a good service.
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Ichabod got a reaction from thruster in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.
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Ichabod got a reaction from + Pensant in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.
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Ichabod got a reaction from jeezifonly in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.
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Ichabod got a reaction from HockeyMan in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.
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Ichabod got a reaction from + RyanDean in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.
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Ichabod got a reaction from SecretProvider in providers requesting 5star reviews on RM
If you were not planning on leaving a review before he asked for one, and you can't honestly give him a good review, and you are not planning on seeing him again, I think you should find a way to get comfortable with ignoring his request. There really is no upside (for either of you) to continuing the conversation.