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I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

There are SOME high school wrestlers who are so fit and muscular you'd never know they were just teenagers.However a 15 year old is highly unlikely to be in THAT group.  I have certainly seen high school athletes 17 and 18 that have impressive physiques. 
I was pretty sexually active from the time I was 14, and I was fucking a 17 year old, so I am not really of the opinion that teenagers are somehow always naive and innocent about sex.
Doesn't give adults permission to be pursue relations with teenagers, but I do feel that people are quick to assume that all these relationships are always predatory by the adult.
My cousin was sleeping with a 32 year old high school teacher when she was 17. She has always defended that as HER decision and that SHE pursued HIM, not the other way around. 
 
 

Once again...that word "abuse" is tossed around as if these models were held down and raped against their will. I worked in and around the fashion industry for a decade. MOST male models are very willing to use sex to get ahead. They arent always the ones BEING USED. 

I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

So far my 500 marks have not been stellar.  The majority of escorts price themselves solely on looks when the experience they provide actually weighs more. So I have had better luck with the less-than-500 escorts with less inflated egos that actually try to make the experience memorable. 

I don’t want to be unkind @purplekow And I’m not being judgemental but this was a last minute hook-up with what turned out to be a near-neighbour.
You stated you were “not particularly attracted to him”. Perhaps he felt the same about you.
I think this was what used to be called a case of ‘ships passing in the night’. Don’t overthink this.
There’s no etiquette attached here. When things don’t work out as you hoped, simply smile and say “Maybe another time…” and leave promptly.

I know that tastes differ and everyone can be attractive to someone…but personally I’d never pay to hire him for a date. 
 
Looking back over two decades now, I dated some very handsome and beautifully built men…yet I found there was absolutely no correlation between price and pleasure on the dates.

I know that tastes differ and everyone can be attractive to someone…but personally I’d never pay to hire him for a date. 
 
Looking back over two decades now, I dated some very handsome and beautifully built men…yet I found there was absolutely no correlation between price and pleasure on the dates.

For me, ‘Boyfriend Experience’ suggests a more romantic, loving encounter. It is the very opposite of a ‘Wham, Bam, Thank You Sir’ date.
Obviously it depends on your companion but I would expect the date to comprise lots of foreplay with hugging, kissing with tongue, displays of affection and cuddling after sex. It would usually include oral sex and/or topping/bottoming. 
You would need to discuss the particulars beforehand. Depending on your wishes, the date might be just a physical session. If it is to be followed by dinner (or going out to a bar or club) together, you may want to discuss public displays of affection beforehand.
 
My reason for stating this is that I once hired an LA jock-boy for a weekend in San Francisco. We had an intense and very sexual time the night he arrived. The next morning when we went to brunch, I was startled that he took my hand as we walked together. I enjoyed it even more when he kissed me in the cafe. I’ve always been out but I had no idea that he’d be so demonstrative in public

I see you’re very new here @Jacob_b so welcome!
I feel you’d get more responses from people if you provide some details & background.
I suggest you set out your experience of hiring, what sort of man you like to meet, what you enjoy doing/having done to you etc.
And people are more likely to be able to help you if you describe yourself. As a minimum, I suggest you say where you’re based in the US (or abroad) and where/when you’re aiming to have the BFE.
You might also consider starting a separate thread in this section - something like ‘Looking for BFE with a jock 24-33 in Austin’ as this will covey the basics.

For me, ‘Boyfriend Experience’ suggests a more romantic, loving encounter. It is the very opposite of a ‘Wham, Bam, Thank You Sir’ date.
Obviously it depends on your companion but I would expect the date to comprise lots of foreplay with hugging, kissing with tongue, displays of affection and cuddling after sex. It would usually include oral sex and/or topping/bottoming. 
You would need to discuss the particulars beforehand. Depending on your wishes, the date might be just a physical session. If it is to be followed by dinner (or going out to a bar or club) together, you may want to discuss public displays of affection beforehand.
 
My reason for stating this is that I once hired an LA jock-boy for a weekend in San Francisco. We had an intense and very sexual time the night he arrived. The next morning when we went to brunch, I was startled that he took my hand as we walked together. I enjoyed it even more when he kissed me in the cafe. I’ve always been out but I had no idea that he’d be so demonstrative in public

I was there in late June one year and there was plenty of snow. Definitely take your Winter gear/clothing.

Bear in mind it’s a huge area. I only explored the northern part which is often referred to as ‘the Lake District’. We flew into Bariloche and drove from there.
I was genuinely surprised at how vast it was. The developed areas seem to be like ribbons on a map and it’s very easy to go into deep wilderness that is regularly cut off in Winter.

I was there in late June one year and there was plenty of snow. Definitely take your Winter gear/clothing.

Bear in mind it’s a huge area. I only explored the northern part which is often referred to as ‘the Lake District’. We flew into Bariloche and drove from there.
I was genuinely surprised at how vast it was. The developed areas seem to be like ribbons on a map and it’s very easy to go into deep wilderness that is regularly cut off in Winter.

The bottom line here as others have said, is to have clear communication up front about what is/is not expected.
As a client, I would expect to pay for all meals, snacks, coffee, drinks, etc.  Maybe some cash so they have some mad money for the week (this should be agreed in advance).  I would also assume I would "splurge" for a few things, but those should be splurges and not expected.  It should be a nice surprise when you do pick up the bill, and the provider should be grateful.  
I could see some providers thinking they can go on a shopping spree, that's why it's important to establish boundaries up front so they know that's out of bounds.
It would also be important to discuss other things like:
- do he / you get downtime (apart) ?
- can you / he see other clients/providers or hookup while traveling together?
- is he open to hiring a 3rd if the opportunity presents?
- are substances permitted?  how about drunkenness?
- what are your expectations about sex - frequency?  limits?  on-demand?
- is PDA permitted/expected?
- what's your body clock schedule?  What time do you expect to start and end your day?  Being a morning person and being with someone who is a late sleeper (or vice versa) can be annoying
- What are your habits - gym? Naps? snacks? computer time?
- What's your activity level?  What kinds of activities or excursions will you do while traveling?  Do you have physical limits or limitations?
- what are your food likes and dislikes (or allergies), traveling with a vegan could be quite limiting
As the client, I think it's primarily your responsibility to communicate your needs/limits and where you are willing to be flexible.

When it comes to money, there is no other way. So many people do not know how to talk about money, or self-worth, especially young, inexperienced people. It is something that needs to be learned, especially if you're a freelancer.
My former partner traveled the world with celebrity clients. Not only did those lucrative jobs have a contract, my partner and the celebrity had what they call a "rider." The rider spells out everything related to travel "needs." Simple, often direct language, with no stone unturned.
When it comes to money and financial expectations, guessing games are not permitted. A self-employed individual must set the road blocks, the boundaries, and the expectations. The bank paying for the service can then decide if the person-for-hire is worth the expense. If you don't learn how to behave like this, you risk becoming known as unprofessional.
Of course, if you struggle with talking about money or your self-worth, and putting those words to paper, then you're likely to fail. Without the right tools of success, you risk encountering a lot of unanswered questions, enduring false assumptions, and feeling bad about yourself, the client, and the entire situation. The only way to win in any transaction, both parties need to get what makes them happy. There's no point in obfuscating. Be honest and clear. Once you get all details out of the way, you can get the job done, and possibly have fun.

Years ago I remember a friend of mine who met up with us at Joshua Tree for a Rock Climbing weekend, Erik.  He was dating Craig at the time.  Erik had little experience desert-camping, and asked craig what he needed to bring.  Craig said just a sleeping bag because you and I will share a tent and you can use my climbing gear since you're flying in from Colorado (to Palm Springs).  Erik froze every night* because the bag he brought was basically a Sears Catalogue Sleeping Bag and Joshua Tree is a desert, ie fucking cold at night.
For the rest of his tooShort life Erik blamed Craig for not being sufficiently specific about what kind of sleeping bag to bring, and Craig maintained for the rest of his also too short life that Erik should know, even if he is inexperienced, that deserts are fucking cold at night and therefore he needed a Winter Bag (it was October).
What we think of as common sense isn't that for others and the consequences and resentments suck.
 
*Technical sleeping bags are too narrow to share.

I wasn’t making any observations about escorts in general or meaning any disrespect towards sex workers and clients.
I merely observed that my ideal type (handsome young muscle-bottoms) don’t usually want old clients. When such guys think of older tops, they imagine them being 35-55.
I’ve known various escorts socially through the gym. Over the years, I’ve heard several express their views on servicing old clients 70+. Of course, it is a business and most realise that older men with money can make reliable clients. 

I wasn’t making any observations about escorts in general or meaning any disrespect towards sex workers and clients.
I merely observed that my ideal type (handsome young muscle-bottoms) don’t usually want old clients. When such guys think of older tops, they imagine them being 35-55.
I’ve known various escorts socially through the gym. Over the years, I’ve heard several express their views on servicing old clients 70+. Of course, it is a business and most realise that older men with money can make reliable clients. 

I stopped hiring years ago when I met my partner.
He is an intelligent, kind, much younger man. if he were to die or break up with me, I might reconsider.
I have the strong impression, however, that very few providers - who are my ideal type (handsome, young muscle-bottoms) - would want to offer their services to a man in his 70s.