MscleLovr

On this scale, I’m a 5

he certainly has the preppy thing figured out

No disrespect @Ali Gator but in my view, you’re being too cheap. And the only person who will suffer here is you.
 
You’ve dreamed and thought of this man a lot. Now he’s available and you put obstacles in your own path.
 
I feel you will bitterly regret not taking the glorious opportunity offered to you.

Daddies are warm, caring, gentle, established, confident, supportive, experienced, fun, adventurous…what’s not to like?
Sound like most the losers you meet in WeHo on a Friday night?
No?…..that’s the point. 

On this scale, I’m a 5

Instantly off the top of my head I can think of 3 straight men I’ve dated. One became a fuckbuddy for a few years: at first reluctant to kiss but enjoyed bottoming, later on he insisted I finish by unloading in his mouth as he liked the taste of my cum. The guy had a girlfriend then and he later married her. Another guy, a rugged man’s man, was always gay-friendly but I played with him after he’d been married for a year; he was a good kisser and just enjoyed having a cock in his ass. The third guy, a lovely muscleboy, has a submissive streak, kisses well and is an excellent cocksucker to completion; he’s single and always dates pretty women...but he always sported a hard-on while bottoming for me.
 
Labels can be very misleading.

I never worry about the labels people use or how they define themselves.
 
Surely all that matters is whether he is compatible and happy to meet all your needs?

To answer the OP’s question: I would never discuss this with a stranger.
 
Indeed, @purplekow I wouldn’t discuss my sexual history and prior dating experience on a first date with anyone. I’m not there to answer a volley of questions. I am interested to learn what interests they have, what motivates them and how they take pleasure in life.
 
I do consider over-sharing to be a modern malaise. For me, the best answer was given earlier by @nycman I too believe in honesty within a relationship and I’ve always made ‘full disclosure’ to my various partners over the years. 

The other day I was reading old emails from Mom, early 2000s.  In one of the emails she was gushing with gratitude for the TV, VCR and computer I'd purchased for her.  25 years later, yesterday, I was thinking how nice it was to be able to do things like that for her, and how sad she would have been had she known from where that money came.  Not disappointed, just sad.  People open to a lot simply are not open to this business (except when they need it).

Possibly he was wearing just sneakers and a jockstrap?
Possibly he was fully clothed but with the addition of custom knee-pads?
Possibly he was bare-chested, kneeling and making the acquaintance of another man?
The possibilities are endless…

I guess it depends on where you live or, more precisely, on where you’re obtaining the massage.
I’m rather ‘old school’ about gratuities. It makes sense to me to be generous
(1) when any service-provider goes ‘above and beyond’ to ensure that I receive excellent service.
(2) equally it’s unnecessary to tip if the service is routine AND the service-provider is an individual who sets the rates. (I was brought up NOT to tip a business-owner as it was considered then to be insulting).
(3) If the service is only OK but the provider is working in a spa or hotel where the establishment collects the rate, I’d add a routine gratuity. If the service is bad, however, I’d leave a zero tip…and I’m prepared to tell the provider why.

I’d like to feel that I’d consider all the circumstances (eg teenage indiscretion, taking part in civil protest or other misdemeanor)…but I fear my instinctive reaction would be to say NO immediately.
I’m not proud of this, but I feel it adds a layer of risk to engaging with a stranger. It seems to me that visiting a stranger at his place or inviting him into your own and spending time together is hazard enough.
 
Most times, things will go swimmingly…but you don’t want to be that rare unfortunate incident. 

Going 56 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone is a ticketable offense, but if you got such a ticket, most people would consider it a bogus situation.  
It seems some of the issues you had were 56 miles per hour in a 55 and others were 75 in a 30.   The finger probe to insert, 100 in a 30, way too fast and probably worthy of condemnation.   The first rub of the leg at the bar, for me 56, returning and going higher shows disrespect and an ongoing desire to speed and that is where the line is drawn for me.  Your mileage may vary.  

No disrespect @Ali Gator but in my view, you’re being too cheap. And the only person who will suffer here is you.
 
You’ve dreamed and thought of this man a lot. Now he’s available and you put obstacles in your own path.
 
I feel you will bitterly regret not taking the glorious opportunity offered to you.

If you're serious about enticing a first client, especially here, maybe briefly share something about what is going to be uniquely special about the service you'll be providing. Within the forum's guidelines of course. Some clients might especially enjoy actually being your first!
But the method of reaching potential clients is secondary to you knowing exactly why you should be compensated for your time, when other young men with similar physical attributes are not. The secret's in the service - good luck!! 

List from AI:
 
1. **Mutual masturbation** - Stimulating each other’s genitals by hand.
2. **Oral sex (fellatio)** - One partner performing oral stimulation on the other’s penis.
3. **Deep kissing** - Passionate, prolonged kissing on the lips.
4. **Body worship** - Kissing, licking, or caressing areas like the chest, abs, or thighs.
5. **Nipple play** - Touching, licking, or sucking on each other’s nipples.
6. **Handjobs** - Using hands to stimulate the partner’s penis to orgasm.
7. **Frottage** - Rubbing genitals or bodies together, clothed or unclothed.
8. **Intercrural sex** - Rubbing one partner’s penis between the other’s thighs.
9. **Erotic massage** - Sensual massage focusing on erogenous zones.
10. **Dry humping** - Grinding against each other while clothed.
11. **Mutual nipple stimulation** - Simultaneously stimulating each other’s nipples.
12. **Testicle play** - Gently caressing, licking, or sucking on a partner’s testicles.
13. **Perineum massage** - Stimulating the area between the scrotum and anus.
14. **Foot fetish play** - Kissing, massaging, or licking a partner’s feet.
15. **Role-playing** - Acting out consensual erotic fantasies or scenarios.
16. **Edging** - Bringing each other close to orgasm and pausing to prolong pleasure.
17. **Shower play** - Mutual touching or washing in the shower or bath.
18. **Body painting** - Using body-safe paint to create art on each other’s skin.
19. **Sensual tickling** - Lightly tickling sensitive areas for arousal.
20. **Erotic wrestling** - Playful, intimate physical grappling.
21. **Clothed stimulation** - Rubbing or touching genitals through clothing.
22. **Ice play** - Using ice cubes on sensitive areas like the neck or inner thighs.
23. **Blindfold play** - One partner blindfolded while the other stimulates them.
24. **Mutual stripping** - Slowly undressing each other as foreplay.
25. **Erotic storytelling** - Sharing or acting out sexual fantasies verbally.
26. **Body-to-body massage** - Rubbing bodies together with oil or lotion.
27. **Mutual spanking** - Light, consensual spanking on the buttocks.
28. **Earlobe play** - Kissing, nibbling, or licking a partner’s earlobes.
29. **Mutual teasing** - Light touching or kissing to build anticipation.
30. **Tantric touch** - Slow, mindful touching for emotional and physical connection.
31. **Sensual feeding** - Feeding each other fruits or sweets erotically.
32. **Mirror play** - Watching each other in a mirror while touching or posing.
33. **Temperature play** - Using warm or cool objects (e.g., warmed oil or chilled toys).
34. **Light bondage** - Using soft restraints like scarves for playful restriction.
35. **Sensory deprivation** - Using earplugs or headphones to heighten touch sensations.
36. **Hair play** - Running fingers through or gently pulling a partner’s hair.
37. **Mutual grooming** - Shaving or trimming each other’s body hair sensually.
38. **Candle wax play** - Dripping body-safe warm wax on skin for stimulation.
39. **Feather play** - Using feathers to tickle or tease sensitive areas.
40. **Mutual body licking** - Licking non-genital areas like the neck, back, or arms.
41. **Erotic dancing** - Dancing closely or performing a striptease for each other.
42. **Scent play** - Using scented oils or cologne to enhance sensory arousal.
43. **Mutual bathing** - Washing each other’s bodies in a bath or hot tub.
44. **Pressure point stimulation** - Applying gentle pressure to erogenous zones like wrists.
45. **Clothed frottage** - Rubbing against each other in tight clothing for friction.
46. **Mutual toy play** - Using non-penetrative sex toys (e.g., vibrators) on each other.
47. **Erotic photography** - Taking consensual, intimate photos of each other.
48. **Body mapping** - Exploring each other’s bodies to find new sensitive spots.
49. **Vocal play** - Moaning, whispering, or talking seductively to enhance arousal.
50. **Mutual stretching** - Helping each other stretch in intimate, close-contact positions.

I love a cutie…but I lust for a hottie

I love a cutie…but I lust for a hottie

All the enthusiastic young men I dated were “offline or private” as you put it. They were more likely to describe themselves as ‘amateurs’.

The best muscle-bottom I had regularly never advertised at all. He was very discreet and took new clients only by introduction.
 
The second best, a blond muscleboy, was on Rentboy(as was) for 2 months only. It was enough time for him to garner a small but appreciative clientele, and I appreciated him fully and regularly for some years. 
 
Curiously these amateurs never charged top dollar. They were smart and wanted a stable, trustworthy clientele. 

I love a cutie…but I lust for a hottie

I want to be fucked by a hottie; but, I want to fuck a cutie

If the opportunity was ever real.

So he's both a sexual fantasy fuck AND a neighbor who you know and care about. BUT spending an extra $50 is unreasonable ??? 🤔 
My bullshit-meter is going off the charts. 

 

No disrespect @Ali Gator but in my view, you’re being too cheap. And the only person who will suffer here is you.
 
You’ve dreamed and thought of this man a lot. Now he’s available and you put obstacles in your own path.
 
I feel you will bitterly regret not taking the glorious opportunity offered to you.

No disrespect @Ali Gator but in my view, you’re being too cheap. And the only person who will suffer here is you.
 
You’ve dreamed and thought of this man a lot. Now he’s available and you put obstacles in your own path.
 
I feel you will bitterly regret not taking the glorious opportunity offered to you.