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I’m surprised you saw it all @BgMstr4u I’ve only watched Episode 1 so far, and the show seems rather trashy. It did bring back memories of visiting the White Island in 2001-2003. I never went clubbing much but I recall fondly the night I went to a very big club by the end of the airport runway and danced with a near-naked muscleboy who was wearing just a speedo.

Maybe I’ve missed something here, but I don’t understand what you wrote. It’s usual for the client to pay all the costs including flights, hotel and meals. The fee for his time is separate. If you’re expecting him to arrange his own flights etc, you better spell that out exactly. You say @xyz48B that you’re comfortable discussing expectations but wondered how other guys handled it. I’d stress that you should spell out what you want to do on the trip and how you expect him to please you. There should be no room for misunderstandings. I believe in being flexible but you must be clear about what you expect as a minimum. FWIW I once planned a weekend with a muscleboy. We’d had several overnight dates before and got on well. He loved taking a hard pounding and he loved sucking cock. Perfect for me, and we had a great weekend BUT I‘m glad I spelled out my expectations before the trip! It turned out that he liked to douche before bottoming - this took him at least 1 hour in the bathroom. Also he told me my semen tasted fine, but he usually swallowed just his boyfriend‘s load. I said that on the Friday to Sunday I’d want to top him 2x and I wanted to be sucked off to completion each night. He was happy to comply. Moral is that if I hadn’t been specific and precise as to what I wanted, I’d have been very disappointed.

If you haven’t read it yet @sydneyboy, MF had a lovely obituary in The NY Times.

I agree with a lot of what @big-n-tall wrote, especially “communication with the provider is key”. l’ll follow his structure with my observations. (My experiences in hiring date from 8-15 years ago) I only did an overnight date after successful short dates (1-2 hours). Some guys are great in bed but not good at interesting conversation over dinner, so time can drag. If an overnight date went well, I’d suggest a long weekend (2-3 nights) next. And if the weekend dates were wonderful, I’d offer to take a guy along with me on a week’s overseas vacation. Just as when I travel with friends, I’d spell out what I had in mind to do during the vacation (see certain places or exhibitions, hiking, lie in the sun, swim/be on the beach, visit art galleries etc) I’d mention too things that are important to me, eg good food and sleep (I like to eat a big breakfast, have a small lunch and eat a good dinner with wine; I don’t eat fast-food and I don’t drink much alcohol; I like to sleep 7-8 hours a night and get up early). I mentioned this detail because I wanted to learn what the other guy liked to do. I can adapt and had successful trips with, among others, guys who like to run before breakfast, guys who like to workout late morning, guys who eat a large lunch, guys who like a cocktail before dinner with wine and a drink afterwards. I always offered some free time separately each day. You know it’s working well when the other guy says No, I don’t need to be alone. As for sex, I was very specific. I enjoy lots of kissing, making out, getting sucked off to completion and as I’m a top, fucking with condom. If I was really into a guy, I’d want sex 3x a day. I like to top a guy before dinner, say late afternoon then shower and dress for dinner. I realize a guy may not be in the mood for a hard pounding each day so I’d say that as long as I was sucked off to completion daily and I got to top every other day, I’d be happy. I had many such week-long (and longer) trips where I enjoyed sex on average 2x a day. I recognize that there is an element of “go with the flow” and “don’t over-schedule” but unless you are specific about what you enjoy and want to do, you may end up with a rather expensive vacation with someone you will not want to see afterwards. You did not ask about compensation @xyz48B I found it best to ask beforehand what fee was reasonable. Sometimes I was surprised at how little the guy asked for - I guess it was because the trip was to a high-end hotel in a desirable location or simply because the guy wanted a good holiday. I certainly never paid 7x the overnight rate.

Not fickle @xyz48B, discerning.

I don’t disagree @Quincy_7 but their dress was not my concern. Very high-end hotels are smaller places generally with excellent security. I preferred busy places where businessmen might stay as I didn’t want the reception/front desk to be difficult when 3 or 4 guys arrived singly to visit my hotel room. I‘d generally book a suite and say there’d be a guest joining me overnight. And if asked, which happened once in LA, I’d answer a couple of friends were stopping by for drinks.

It has been public knowledge in the UK for some time that the two main centers for medical science and epidemiology (Imperial College and Cambridge) are great rivals. I can believe that the statistical modelling is rather faulty because so much about this virus is unknown. It’s why I prefer to see a range of estimates, and actively distrust very precise figures - the Federal Government in Germany publishes the R-number daily and I doubt its accuracy.

If a client may respond to the OP, when I hired I enjoyed overnights with a nice guy. My formula was full sex on meeting, then a good dinner, shorter session before sleeping and receiving a blowjob before breakfast. I always preferred to host at my place as I could be certain of a very big bed, clean linens and large bathrooms. Escorts told me they liked my place. The only exceptions - using hotels - were when I had some group action or multiple play in prospect. I quite deliberately did not choose 5* hotels. My thinking was that it was easier for the working guys to be unnoticed if I chose good and busy 4* places that were well-located. As the host, I wanted to be able to organise room service liquor and wine and have housekeeping provide me with extra pillows and towels.

It may be of some interest to mention Sweden, which has been an outlier in Europe in regard to its policies (following the advice of the Swedish state epidemiologist). There’s a good article in The Spectator (a UK magazine) which I’ve set out below (as it has a paywall but I could not copy in 3 interesting graphs). The essence is Confinement is not a good way to manage uncertainty. Sweden has pioneered an alternative to lockdown – and it works 17 May 2020, 12:15pm Uppsala The culture of social distancing does strange things to us. A few weeks ago I got an invitation to an offline work dinner, and I can’t remember the last time I had such a sudden rush of joy. Even if life in Sweden over the past two months have been surprisingly normal, the truth is that we all have hunkered down a bit. Many of us have worked from home. The first two weeks, I admit, felt as life in remission – like a sudden gift of time. But then we all sunk into the apathy of having our life on hold. It felt pointless to plan for the future. A reunion with the colleagues became a distant wish. Meeting a work contact for lunch? Surely that’s only something for the privileged few. So getting that invite to a work dinner felt like I had secretly been given the password to attend a Roman bacchanal. The Swedish economy has finally started to un-Zoom itself. Bicycling lanes in Stockholm now feature the morning pelotons of commuters again. Carmakers like Volvo have opened up their factories and white-collar workers are gradually returning to their offices. Most workplaces have developed their own routines and protocols for Covid-19 safety – and, frankly, most of it is common sense: make it easy for staff to keep good hygiene and avoid having many people showing up at the same place at the same time. So there’s no hot desking. Those who cannot bike to work are allowed to come in or leave early so they can avoid crowded buses and tubes. Lunch boxes are delivered by restaurants to the workplace. Meeting rooms and common spaces are closed or furnitured around protective acrylic glass. Colleagues that have had coronavirus get additional responsibilities. At the Stockholm accountancy I use, one of the bosses who got infected in early March now manages the afternoon cake trolley. They call him ‘Mr. Antibody’ because he doesn’t relish the corporate fitness programme as much as the cakes he serve. It’s common sense attitudes like these that have made foreign observers to take a second look at the ‘Swedish experiment’. We’re no longer just the bad boy of corona – the jumped-up little country that refused to accept lockdown. Yes, we have observed social distancing, but individuals and firms have been allowed to figure out on their own how to practically organize things without having to shut everything down. So the real Swedish experiment has been about ‘behavioural change’: getting individuals to voluntary change their behaviour to avoid getting infected or spreading the virus to others. And it has worked. All this means quite a lot now. Swedes have had ten weeks of training themselves in how to live together with the virus. 'Sweden represents a future model if we want to return to a society that we do not have to close', says the WHO’s Mike Ryan. Most people in Sweden aren’t generally afraid of meeting other people or being in environments where the virus could spread: they manage the risks by keeping a social distance. Polls show that more than 50 per cent think they have had coronavirus or that they will get it; only 15 per cent think it’s improbable. Perhaps it is this attitude that have prompted so many around the world to think of us as reckless and foolish: we have, in our normalcy, become an ethnographic study object. But all the training we’ve had in sharing the society with coronavirus has taught us that it isn’t dangerous to leave your home or send your kids to school. People don’t have to fearful of living their life in a pretty normal way. Remarkably, seven out of ten Swedes think the future actually looks bright. Trusting people that they’ll take advice and change their behaviour have also had the desired result. Mobility declined, but not to a level that crushed the economy. The epidemic modelling did not factor in that people would react to a request. Swedish Covid-19 trends are pointing in the right direction. Fewer ICU beds are nowoccupied, especially in Stockholm where the number of patients in intensive care has dropped by almost 40 per cent since the peak. The daily intake of new intensive care patients is now in the low double digits. Thedaily death toll flatlined in the second half of April and, mercifully, has since been on a declining trend. And then we have the reproduction rate of the virus – the famous R number that now seems to command much of the British exit strategy. We’ve been warned by Neil Ferguson and others that Sweden’s R number is still in the region of 1.3-1.4 – meaning that the virus still spreads exponentially. However, the Swedish Public Health Agency gives a very differentestimate: the R has been below 1 since mid-April or so, and now stands at about 0.85. Excess mortality is still the bugbear for foreign observers who want to learn from Sweden. It’s also an issue for Swedes. Even if the time for comparing and making judgements about coronavirus mortality is a few years into the future, it is obvious that Sweden has a big scandal on its hands: it has failed to protect nursing homes against the virus. More than 50 per cent of all nursing homes in Stockholm have had infected residents. For the country as a whole, almost75 per cent of all Covid-19 deaths were residents at nursing homes or elderly with home care. Something has gone badly wrong. What’s going on here? Obviously, the Public Health Agency – along with other agencies – failed to understand the risk that staff could spread the virus in care homes. For a long time, nursing home and home care staff had no access to personal protective equipment (PPE), and once they got advanced equipment, few had been trained in how to use them. Swedish nursing homes also have many residents, and they come there at a very late point in life – so when a virus gets into the nursing home, it can infect many ‘elderly-elderly’ who are frail and have a poor immune system. Add to that failures of centralized medical procurement, for instance, or government complacency in building up capacity to test care workers. It’s no consolation that we share all these problems with other countries. It took us weeks and weeks to fix all these problems, and some of them still haven’t been adequately resolved. Boris Johnson doesn’t need a warning from Sweden about the risks of care-home deaths: Britain’s experience is actually worse. But he can learn from the Swedish example that people will respond to advice about social distance and change their behaviour. Boosting testing capacity is necessary, as is keeping track of the reproduction rate. But at some point Britain needs to take the plunge and encourage people to go about their lives. It’s understandable that many Brits don’t want to end the lockdown and expose themselves to greater risks of getting infected. There is so much that we don’t know about the virus. But confinement is not a good way to manage uncertainty. Just as people with opposing ideas can become political creeps when safe-space culture protects us from them, the world out there gets scary when we shelter in our homes for months.

I agree with the sentiments expressed by @EZEtoGRU But I quoted the part above as I’ve seen that comment before, and I wonder what is the evidence for it. During a period of hot and humid weather in Ecuador, there has been a large outbreak of Covid19 and many related deaths. The city of Guayaquil has even been described as “Latin America’s Wuhan”. There is much to see if you Google ‘Ecuador Coronavirus‘ but here’s one report https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8292391/Bodies-Covid-19-victims-lie-streets-Ecuadorian-city.html

Hear, tell?! I want to see photos or video @Pensant

Thank you for the info @DaveOrDavid @poolboy48220 @azdr0710 Truly, with the internet, you can always relive the past.

Good detective work @samhexum - did you happen to find the name of the blond young man performing with GG?

May I ask where you’re seeing these posts? And as an aside, do others think clients will stop paying in cash? (I’ve noticed that businesses and shops that remain open are insisting on card payments and refusing to handle cash.)

I thought he did escort ‘once upon a time’. At least, in the early ‘80s a friend in SF assured me that GG did. I recall seeing a photo spread of GG fucking a handsome young man on a boat on a lake (in Arizona?) which showed GG’s physique to perfection. And GG was also featured in a bizarre BBC TV documentary on an expat Englishman who made porn-films in Hollywood (again, in the early’80s).

And he has his arm around a bare-chested Andre Ziehe :-)

Thanks for posting this info @poolboy48220 I’ve always lusted for Spencer Neville...but I watched Ozark S1 a while back and I can’t believe I didn’t recognize him. Did Spencer not shed his clothes and show his wonderful physique on the show? Or was that perhaps only for the casting couch?

Those men might be the best actors ;-)

To answer the OP’s question: it’s just you @Unicorn @sniper put it well. The guy is not unattractive, but there are so many similar young men. I know the current lockdown is difficult for many people but I wonder if you’ve allowed yourself enough time to heal after your last heartbreak @Unicorn. Let’s hope you can meet someone nice IRL quite soon.

Me too!

Looks to me as if that’s Philippe LeBlond asleep in his campervan. Nice model and very compliant guy.

Congratulations on the good photos @Whitman This brings back happy memories of one of my favourite beaches, Camps Bay in Cape Town This is an extraordinary photo. Was this nicely built, naked man standing next to an aquarium-wall?

No, I don’t know how Germany does the count. As it has a federal government, much is devolved to the states or regional governments. A very recent example of how Germany differs is that two regions with few cases pushed hard for easing while Bavaria with the highest number of cases was opposed; Chancellor Merkel resisted easing lockdown but has just now agreed; individual states are to reimpose controls if the infection rate increases rapidly. And No, there is no easy nor reliable way to understand what all the various countries do. Being locked down in London and unable to travel to Spain, I spent time looking into how those two countries record infections and deaths. Because I have friends in France who work in medical science, I asked about the French system of reporting which turned out to be rather bureaucratic.

That’s very interesting @leeper I found the interactions tame, almost as if Disney had made the show. In particular, the Cukor pool-party was a wasted scene where we actually saw very little male flesh but just had Jim Parsons as Henry Wilson describing the male beauties he (but not we) could see.

He fully deserves a rating of Woof!