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I get those ALL the time on Grindr. Total turn off. What makes these guys think that listening to them struggle to take a dick is gonna be sexy 🤔?

I've had sex with SO many "straight" men that 8% just doesn't sound reasonable.

8% is miniscule based on my experiences.

I made it clear that I don't do overnights. I was speaking about the issue from the perspective of the struggle of placing value. Nobody has a clear answer. So dialogue is required. Sorry if you felt my effusive commitment to helping young providers succeed, stepped on some toes.

I'm assuming the "message" you're referring to is the clear message from upper management that their ratings sucked.

I don't think @ApexNomad does disagree with me. He's stuck on a tangent and can't get off his emotional trigger about a provider laughing.

You're missing the point of the discussion. We are talking about a YOUNG provider who KNOWS his rates for an hour..But is struggling to answer an inquiry to a DIFFERENT KIND OF MEET UP. It's pretty clear that no one is paying the same hourly rate for an overnight. Even when you follow this discussion thread, you find a lot of different perspectives. So given that fact, I don't see WHY anyone should be expected to have any answer prepared for something they have never been asked before. It's not a simple answer when you have no experience. It's like asking someone who runs a restaurant, how much to cater a wedding when they've never done that before. YOUR attitude is: "you should have an answer ready becasue you're already in the food service industry". But i guarantee they wouldn't when they've never done it before and don't know anything about how the pricing works with others. The respectful adult response is to guide the young provider through your experience (and maybe your expectation), NOT just write them off as a poor businessman, simply because they answered with a nervous laugh.

Is he "laughing at the client" 🤔 ?or is he actually embarrassed that he doesn't have an answer to the proposal. You're putting too much responsibility for the solution on the young inexperienced person.

Someone want to give this one to me for my birthday ? 🎁

The conversation is about young men who ARE prepared to discuss their rates...BUT some clients have asked about a DIFFERENT level of service that they never provided before and therefore haven't given much thought. A decent human response from a more mature adult would be to show some empathy and help guide them with some advice/ experience and concern for their well being.

That's never been a problem for me. No one has ever filmed my encounters. I like the lights dimmed during sex so they wouldn't even be able to film, anyway. It merely opens up the conversation and you discuss your details to another communications method. Once you say you're an "older successful businessman" it's pretty clear you're not contacting them to get your hot ass on camera but you're interested in a different kind business arrangement. Only a dimwit would miss that distinction.

Wow. So gross to treat human beings with such disdain.

Would love to see the collaboration video with everyone taking turns fucking Luigi Mangione

Well....THAT is the point. A young escort with no experience with overnights, is inexperienced and not yet a skilled businessman. He SHOULD be HELPED to understand HOW to price his time. As was pointed out by @ncc1701d a lack of experience can naturally lead to merely multiplying the base rate, and then having that offer rejected. I've met multiple young men over the last few years, who are new to the business or interested in making more by offering escort services on top of their massage business offerings. I am always very happy to help guide them through a logical business model and appropriate pricing. I am not interested in taking advantage of their naïveté so I can get off cheaply. If I like a young practitioner, I am more inclined to help them understand the full value of their services. I am a businessman myself and I can tell you that pricing is not some sort of straightforward mathematical formula, but takes instinct and experience.

I concur. I would add that for an inexperienced provider, the idea of asking someone for more than $1000 for their company seems daunting. Approaching the issue from a logical standpoint (I am NOT experienced in overnight appointments). If a provider asked $300/hr and you booked 2 hours, in the evening, it seems unlikely they have any more appointments booked for the same night. So simple logic says that he's made $600, the offer of $1000+ to hang out a bit longer is well practical for the provider to jump on. I have had many evenings where I enjoyed the company of a masseur/escort early in the evening. Chatted a bit after the session, invited them to dinner and then back home for a other roll-in-the-hay. So....quoted a price of $400 for 90 minutes + tip for generous interraction on the erotic services...dinner is on me...but I'm not necessarily viewing that as on-the-clock if I am picking up the check. If another round of sex is forthcoming, then I'm doubling the original ask(+tip). So I'm up to $1000. Now I am married and also, not inclined to cuddle with a stranger...so overnight isn't something I want...but I figure if the fellow has already made $1000. Offering him another $500 to $600 should be viewed as easy passive income to simply cuddle and snooze. I woukd imagine that if morning sex was in the mix, then again I'm back to sexual services and back to a normal fee structure. Using this logic it seems to me that $2000 for this kind of evening is fair..and certainly attractive to the provider when they compare it to the $400 to $500 they make with a regular hook up and then back home. I understand the comments about "valuing sleep"...but at $2000 that's five regular 90 minute sessions of $400...so he can afford to take a nap the next day if his sleep routine was disturbed.

@SirBillybob found the magic word: "collaboration". NO, you shouldn't ask directly about escorting. It will get them banned on some sites and others will get you banned. I don't know why so many members here need to be constantly reminded that prostitution is still illegal in most destinations. I've met multiple models by reaching out on Twitter and asking for a COLLABORATION. Here's MY standard pitch: "Good afternoon. I am a mature athletic male, and successful real-estate investor in New York City. Interested in scheduling a collaboration with you. Please let me know if you'd be interested in teaming up".

My love goes to @BOZO T CLOWN.🤡 Great sarcastic sense of humor. He was always MY favorite contributor to the old (now banned) politics forum, for his combination of common sense perspective and wit.

That speaks to the various motivations of hiring. Some people crave the fantasy of desire...with the potential for actual chemistry. Others just want sex and really don't care if the provider finds him attractive as long as he gets off. Some gay men who hire straight providers want to get the straight guy off so he will be your friend and stop calling you names. Me personally ...I was a bit of a jock in High School and College and admired the physical beauty of other athletes. But I was under the (weird) impression that I was the only jock on the planet that wanted to hook up with other jocks. Now that I realize how completely clueless I was ..I regret the missed opportunities (that years later a classmate told me he himself had going on). So I enjoy hiring "straight" presenting guys as a way for making up for lost time. I knew nothing about bisexuality and that very straight appearing, athletic men do hook up with men. So now I seek that out.

Thank you, Bozo. Spot on.

https://rentmen.eu/Uesny (no personal experience but commented on favorably here) UESNY looks very fuckable. Great body/ass & cute too.

I typically book 90 minutes for massage or escort. With escorts, I rarely have trouble booking an extra hour, on the fly, if the session was a lot of fun.

Really ? Maybe on a first visit...but I think it's always pretty evident to me. I can also tell when a Brit is trying to adopt a posh accent. Maybe I just watched too many episodes of "Keeping up Appearances".

Well, that’s why you hire. I don't think it's "body shaming" when you hire someone because you find them attractive. Same way, if I order anything online that doesn't look like the photo, I send it back. Doesn't matter what YOU look like...it's not Grindr. You're paying someone to ignore your belly...not to ignore HIS !

That's my impression of the matter. Bisexuals have long been the "secret society". I've hooked up with many "str8" married men over the years who would have never identified as anything but straight. So much so that bisexuality was often considered merely a gateway to gay.

I would have to disagree with you there. Maybe we have different understandings of the word: "struggle". What I mean..and what is generally understood about men who are into cross dressers is that they typically are bisexual but struggle with the idea of identifying as even partially homosexual, so going with cross dressers gives them a "cover" if caught picking up a dude...."NAH ! I thought I was picking up a chick!...I was so shocked to find out it was a dude" !! Their habits may well be established and consciously aware of the game....but their subconscious convinces them they are safe from judgement if caught, when the guy is wearing a skirt and heels.