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I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before, but just to chime in again with my perspective: It also turns me off. I guess I wouldn't necessarily write the guy off based on one photo of him flipping off the camera if everything else in his ad appealed to me, but when I see photos like this they generally seem to be attached to ads that reveal an attitude that doesn't appeal to me.

If you're calling an escort using a burner phone, do you not actually have a number that can be used for a call back? As a client, I wouldn't book an escort if I couldn't actually call him to confirm, and I would think many escorts would prefer to confirm they have a way to call the client if something goes wrong and rescheduling is necessary. Oh, by the way, if you weren't interested in convincing me of anything you could have just let my original post stand without telling me that my suggestion was not "realistic" and then offering allegedly "more useful" suggestions. The reality is that the links you posted have nothing to do with whether to answer the phone but rather how one should respond if they get a call that could be suspicious. I personally prefer never to speak with those people in the first place by letting the call go to voice mail, at which point they typically don't even bother leaving a message.

The only people I can think of who cannot afford to just ignore unknown numbers are people using that phone number for business. If it's a personal number, why not just let everything go to voice mail unless you recognize the caller? I learned to not even swipe to reject the call since that lets the spammer know that your number is active because it rang once or twice and then disconnected. Fortunately my phone allows me just to turn it face down when I get a spam call that isn't blocked, which causes the phone to stop ringing but the call isn't disconnected until it's connected to voice mail. Yes, I know that connecting to voice mail is also an indication that the line is active but my personal experience with rejecting calls is that the same number (or a very similar number) would call back repeatedly in a short period of time.

Or just don't answer your phone when the call is from a number you don't recognize, even if the number has been spoofed and the caller ID looks legitimate. If the call is legit, they will leave a message. If the message sounds scam-y, just delete it and block the number.

According to IAFD he's in his early thirties and began his porn career in 2011 (I scrolled through his list quickly but didn't notice anything prior to that year).

Maybe I just got lucky with my Craigslist hires, but apart from the stuff that still goes on (over promise and under deliver) I never ran into problems such as outright robbery or someone threatening me. I actually did the majority of my hiring off Craigslist in the 2000s until whenever they stopped allowing such ads. I'm not saying there was anything magic that CL did that enhanced security. I think it's just that there were fewer scammers because it was still a more niche activity.

Seems like this question is coming up a lot lately. The short answer is, no, it isn't "safe" hiring from Rentmen if by "safe" you mean that the owners of the site actively work to remove fraudulent providers. It's definitely a "buyer beware" type of situation and it's on the client to protect himself in the manner outlined by some people above (using a burner number, not hosting, sticking to providers with a good reputation). It's sad because 25 years ago you could generally "trust" not only sites like Rentmen (actually, I don't think that site existed then, but I'm pretty sure Rentboy did) but also Craigslist. I hired a lot of guys who had no reviews and only a couple of times encountered outright scammers. I don't know how guys break into the business now. There have to be some clients willing to give new providers the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not one of them.

A "friends and family" transfer of money is not protected by PayPal's fraud protection program. Just accept that you made a mistake and lost whatever money you sent this guy. You can notify PayPal that you got scammed, but I assume that someone who is using that platform to scam people like this will just create a different account if they get reported so I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Also, do you want to be in a position of having to explain how a "friend or family member" stole money from you when it really was a stranger whom you were hoping to have sex with? I wouldn't. As to warning people here, that's helpful to others in the short term, but it's so easy for scammers to change identities online that it's not worth a lot in the long run.

I don't find it odd that someone would have a banker and a sheriff's deputy that have been informed when extortion is going on. Are you skeptical because the OP is a relatively new member here, so you are questioning whether he's just trying to malign the escort in question?

I agree. I've certainly gotten some perks (extra time, etc) from a few of the guys I hired the most, but I never posted that on the forum or included it in a review. I considered those expressions of appreciation to me as a frequent customer, not something that provider was necessarily going to offer everyone. It's on them when and if to communicate some "bonus" to a repeat customer. I will add that most guys that I hired more than once never offered me anything extra; these extras only came from providers I had hired many, many times over more than a year, which means a small amount of men for me since I rarely found someone I wanted to hire more than a couple of times.

I'm not saying it never happens, but masseurs rarely top their clients. Why not look for a top escort in your area?

It's well known that Rentmen aka Rent.men cares more about ad revenue than anything else. They will remove outright scam ads, but only upon pressure from outside parties after they jump through a lot of hoops to prove the ad is bogus. It's very easy for anyone to place an ad on their platform in order to scam people, at least in the short term. By the way, if you can edit your thread title it would help it make sense. I was wondering if you found an alternate site that added an "a" to the end of "rentmen" and were asking about the legitimacy of "rentmena."

I stand corrected...sort of. Your original link goes to the brand's website. I scrolled through a lot of different underwear photos and didn't see that particular photo nor a photo of any other model wearing either that same pair of undies or a pair of undies with a label that looked identical. But I can see on the link you just posted (for those who don't want to scroll through another bunch of underwear photos, the direct link to the photo in question is https://us-fbcloud.net/picpost/data/398/398532-6731ce8d46005.op.webp )that the pair of underwear is identified as "The Pack." Funny that in all of the effort to identify the underwear I didn't even notice that the model is porn performer Marbys Negretti aka CallMeMrKent.

The label shown in the first post doesn't look like that brand. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the azdr0710 was trying to identify the specific brand of underwear worn in the photo, not just recommendations for underwear brands that have options that look similar. There are a lot of brands that make similar looking undies.

Yes, you can hang out somewhere on Market Street to watch the parade. You can walk around the festival in the Civic Center area. I don't know who is going to be on the main stage; it's usually a mix of people talking about specific issues and some musical performances. The bars in SoMa are typically busy starting mid-afternoon. I'm sure there are specific parties happening, but I'm so old I'm checked out of it all.

If it were me, I would simply reply to their question -- e.g., I'd say "I'm interesting in hiring you for a 90 minute massage on either July 4th or 5th" or whatever it is. It seems like that's more likely to result in him actually traveling to your area, assuming he gets other interested clients, than you questioning why his travel schedule is contradictory. But that's all if you actually intend to hire him. If you're just attracted to him and trying to figure out what his "game" is, I'd just drop it. He could very well be doing what you think (gauging the market to see if it's worth a trip) or he might just be marketing himself generally (e.g., trying to get OF subscribers).

A masseur having a different price for a therapeutic massage versus an erotic massage makes sense. I even think that someone adjusting his rate depending on what the client requests makes sense. The more the client's requests veer into escort territory, the more a masseur should charge. That being said, I am put off my ads that get far too granular about this. I don't want to see a $20 additional fee for underwear off versus on, and so on. As to sandwiches costing the same, this really isn't true once you get beyond certain condiments. You typically will pay extra if you want avocado or bacon, for example, if they aren't already part of the sandwich you're ordering. Ultimately this isn't a regulated business. If a client doesn't like what the masseur has to offer at the rate requested, then he can look elsewhere. If a client wants more than the masseur wants to provide, he can decline the appointment. We all know that it isn't like every masseur (or even every escort) runs his business the same way.

Oh, I'm sure he's been discussed here or on the previous site, but I know he advertised under a different name before. Gay men who have been in San Francisco for a long time may remember his entrapment charge decades ago (as I recall, he responded to a request from someone in the East Bay and was arrested there) and also his repeated candidacy for the Board of Supervisors and some other political offices as a Libertarian. I don't want to violate any forum rules, so I won't post the name he has used for his political ambitions (but there is a Wikipedia page about him). He has been, however, transparent about his sex work when running for office so I'm not sharing any secrets here. I used to see him at the gym regularly about 20 years ago and he looked like the photos in his ad now. I have no idea what he looks like now, and I never interacted with him so I cannot say anything about his personality.

I think categorizing this as a "penalty" or "fine" is inaccurate. I haven't noticed this type of pricing, but haven't there always been some guys who try to do an "a la carte" type of pricing and they get skewered here?

Bottom line, baseball6, you aren't him. There's no reason for you to rehash what he wrote/said to you unless you just want to extend your period of distress over this. Just accept that things were not as they seemed with him and move on, not only emotionally but physically. By that I mean that I don't even think he sounds like a good escort for you since he's not providing to you want you want out of a physical interaction. The vast majority of guys I've hired have been honest, and most of the liars were more about not delivering on what was promised/advertised, not people trying to play with my emotions. You should probably keep in mind for future engagements that if you keep your boundaries clear you are less likely to fall into a trap. You are a client, they are a provider. That isn't meant to dehumanize either of you, but it's like a psychotherapist/patient relationship: the therapist is there to provide a service, not to become a part of your life outside of the therapeutic relationship. Yes, you might happen to cross paths with someone where an actual friendship develops (unlike a psychotherapist where this is unethical), but the only way to know that that has happened is if you are doing things outside of your client/escort relationship that don't require you to spend money on him.

After only reading your first post, I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and believe that maybe he did have (friendly) affection towards you, but after reading your subsequent post I have to join the chorus of others and state he's likely just playing you. Even if he isn't, you are paying him and he's not providing what he's being paid for. If I hired an escort and he blamed me for erectile difficulties and said, in effect, I don't have to let you touch me because you don't get hard immediately I would tell him to leave and wouldn't pay him (or would just give him a small amount for travel time). If you really want to see if he's your friend, stop hiring him. Only get together for time off the clock, and don't pay for his meals or entertainment or buy him any gifts. If he's your friend, he might comment on how things have changed but he will still want to be your friend.

Thoughts? I'm confused. Reading between the lines, you wrote that you had been "overly generous" before the most recent appointment and then the escort "agreed to a price" for the recent appointment, so I assume you initiated paying him less because you felt his rate (previously established by him) was too high. If that's the case and the provider definitely understood you intended to pay him less, it was wrong of him to contact you the next day to ask for more money unless something else changed such as he stayed longer than planned. Was the greater fee the equivalent of what you previously paid to him? If so and you like the guy, I would suggest at least discussing this with him to find out if there was just a misunderstanding or if he, indeed, just decided after the appointment that he wasn't okay with the lower rate he agreed to.

Typically this does happen when some random person will ask me about a provider I posted about years ago. My response used to be the same: I don't remember anything other than what I wrote in the public message forum years ago, so I have nothing to add. Sometimes that wasn't entirely true (I might remember some details that I don't want to share). A few months ago I updated my signature here to advise people not to send me a PM to ask me about escorts I've posted about before because I'm not going to have any additional information for them; I only did this because I was getting these types of PMs a lot more often. I have had forum members who have been around a while message me (and I have messages others) in response to public posts. Sometimes it's nice to get a little validation from someone else, and that's typically what these messages have been.

My sister had a lot of his records, bought the teen magazines from which she took out the full paged photos to hang on her bedroom walls. She kissed each one goodnight every night. As a young gay boy, I was into him too but had to pretend to find her whole fascination with him disgusting. The same with Donny Osmond a year or two later. I got busted when I was playing her 45 of Sweet And Innocent when I thought no one else was around but my brother suddenly came into our room. I have all of Bobby's albums on vinyl and cd and still listen to him on occasion. His biggest hits were well produced. Some of his album tracks really crack me up, like Sweet Gingerbread Man. I assume he knew he was never the greatest singer, but he was decent enough for the kind of teen pop he recorded and he certainly had the looks and charisma to make one not care when a bum note or two appeared.

While that's true, just based on your comment I assumed there were no photos in the ad other than dick shots and that there was no text indicating anything about the service being provided. Neither of those is true, so I'm puzzled why you posted what you did.