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There are 4 things that a provider can do that won’t have me return.
In no particular order:
- seeming personality switch. I had a well known provider (I’d known for years and saw frequently) break off contact with me after I wouldn’t join his onlyfans account. I was having major car issues and told him I’d have to wait to it was resolved before I’d add any extra expense. He kept asking and I told him the same thing. He eventually stopped all contact and wouldn’t respond to me. There were other things leading up to that where he went from being sweet to being rather accusatory.
- overtly aggressive trying to get me to rehire. I have a crazy work schedule sometimes. Also I only book when I have the spare funds to do so. One local provider would constantly ask to meet up even though I told him I’d contact him when I could. Yet he would still contact me asking. It got old real fast. It turned me off and I stopped seeing him.
- saying you do something and then don’t do it. I saw a guy for massage. I later found out he also escorted. He listed kissing in his escort ad and I asked him to verify that he did… to which he said, yes. I made an appointment. During the session we seemed to be having a good time. I go in for kiss and he turns his head. I try again and same result. I finished the session, had a good time even, but I won’t hire him again (at least not as an escort) even though I find him hella attractive.
- lack of enthusiasm. I don’t expect to be treated like I’m a godsend, but if a guy just sits there and doesn’t respond or interact in some way no matter what I do. I definitely won’t try for a second meeting.
- honorable mention. Trying to upsell me during the middle of the action. It really depends on their approach whether I get turned off or not. There was a masseur in Florida who was very engaged in our session and hot as hell. He waited to the end of the erotic massage and asked if I wanted to continue and go further. I had the funds, so I did.

Another example, (which has a few from my list) a very attractive new hire turned me off. He had kissing in his ad and I asked to verify. I also told him I wanted to top him. When we met, early on, I felt maybe this wasn’t going to be a match. He was very nice though so I pressed on. He had an incredible body and when I went to touch him he said, “I just got back from the gym. So my body is sore.” I thought ok, then why did you not tell me beforehand and we could have reschedule. Anyway, I pressed on being careful not to grab him very hard. He made no attempts to do anything. I had to initiate everything. When I asked him to kiss me he reluctantly did so and only light pecks. While i was playing with him body as delicately as I could, he remarks that penetration would be extra. At the moment, I lost my excitement. Shortly afterwards he asked me if he did anything wrong. I just said no, got dressed, paid him and left. I definitely won’t see him ever again.

There are 4 things that a provider can do that won’t have me return.
In no particular order:
- seeming personality switch. I had a well known provider (I’d known for years and saw frequently) break off contact with me after I wouldn’t join his onlyfans account. I was having major car issues and told him I’d have to wait to it was resolved before I’d add any extra expense. He kept asking and I told him the same thing. He eventually stopped all contact and wouldn’t respond to me. There were other things leading up to that where he went from being sweet to being rather accusatory.
- overtly aggressive trying to get me to rehire. I have a crazy work schedule sometimes. Also I only book when I have the spare funds to do so. One local provider would constantly ask to meet up even though I told him I’d contact him when I could. Yet he would still contact me asking. It got old real fast. It turned me off and I stopped seeing him.
- saying you do something and then don’t do it. I saw a guy for massage. I later found out he also escorted. He listed kissing in his escort ad and I asked him to verify that he did… to which he said, yes. I made an appointment. During the session we seemed to be having a good time. I go in for kiss and he turns his head. I try again and same result. I finished the session, had a good time even, but I won’t hire him again (at least not as an escort) even though I find him hella attractive.
- lack of enthusiasm. I don’t expect to be treated like I’m a godsend, but if a guy just sits there and doesn’t respond or interact in some way no matter what I do. I definitely won’t try for a second meeting.
- honorable mention. Trying to upsell me during the middle of the action. It really depends on their approach whether I get turned off or not. There was a masseur in Florida who was very engaged in our session and hot as hell. He waited to the end of the erotic massage and asked if I wanted to continue and go further. I had the funds, so I did.

Another example, (which has a few from my list) a very attractive new hire turned me off. He had kissing in his ad and I asked to verify. I also told him I wanted to top him. When we met, early on, I felt maybe this wasn’t going to be a match. He was very nice though so I pressed on. He had an incredible body and when I went to touch him he said, “I just got back from the gym. So my body is sore.” I thought ok, then why did you not tell me beforehand and we could have reschedule. Anyway, I pressed on being careful not to grab him very hard. He made no attempts to do anything. I had to initiate everything. When I asked him to kiss me he reluctantly did so and only light pecks. While i was playing with him body as delicately as I could, he remarks that penetration would be extra. At the moment, I lost my excitement. Shortly afterwards he asked me if he did anything wrong. I just said no, got dressed, paid him and left. I definitely won’t see him ever again.

There are 4 things that a provider can do that won’t have me return.
In no particular order:
- seeming personality switch. I had a well known provider (I’d known for years and saw frequently) break off contact with me after I wouldn’t join his onlyfans account. I was having major car issues and told him I’d have to wait to it was resolved before I’d add any extra expense. He kept asking and I told him the same thing. He eventually stopped all contact and wouldn’t respond to me. There were other things leading up to that where he went from being sweet to being rather accusatory.
- overtly aggressive trying to get me to rehire. I have a crazy work schedule sometimes. Also I only book when I have the spare funds to do so. One local provider would constantly ask to meet up even though I told him I’d contact him when I could. Yet he would still contact me asking. It got old real fast. It turned me off and I stopped seeing him.
- saying you do something and then don’t do it. I saw a guy for massage. I later found out he also escorted. He listed kissing in his escort ad and I asked him to verify that he did… to which he said, yes. I made an appointment. During the session we seemed to be having a good time. I go in for kiss and he turns his head. I try again and same result. I finished the session, had a good time even, but I won’t hire him again (at least not as an escort) even though I find him hella attractive.
- lack of enthusiasm. I don’t expect to be treated like I’m a godsend, but if a guy just sits there and doesn’t respond or interact in some way no matter what I do. I definitely won’t try for a second meeting.
- honorable mention. Trying to upsell me during the middle of the action. It really depends on their approach whether I get turned off or not. There was a masseur in Florida who was very engaged in our session and hot as hell. He waited to the end of the erotic massage and asked if I wanted to continue and go further. I had the funds, so I did.

Another example, (which has a few from my list) a very attractive new hire turned me off. He had kissing in his ad and I asked to verify. I also told him I wanted to top him. When we met, early on, I felt maybe this wasn’t going to be a match. He was very nice though so I pressed on. He had an incredible body and when I went to touch him he said, “I just got back from the gym. So my body is sore.” I thought ok, then why did you not tell me beforehand and we could have reschedule. Anyway, I pressed on being careful not to grab him very hard. He made no attempts to do anything. I had to initiate everything. When I asked him to kiss me he reluctantly did so and only light pecks. While i was playing with him body as delicately as I could, he remarks that penetration would be extra. At the moment, I lost my excitement. Shortly afterwards he asked me if he did anything wrong. I just said no, got dressed, paid him and left. I definitely won’t see him ever again.

There are 4 things that a provider can do that won’t have me return.
In no particular order:
- seeming personality switch. I had a well known provider (I’d known for years and saw frequently) break off contact with me after I wouldn’t join his onlyfans account. I was having major car issues and told him I’d have to wait to it was resolved before I’d add any extra expense. He kept asking and I told him the same thing. He eventually stopped all contact and wouldn’t respond to me. There were other things leading up to that where he went from being sweet to being rather accusatory.
- overtly aggressive trying to get me to rehire. I have a crazy work schedule sometimes. Also I only book when I have the spare funds to do so. One local provider would constantly ask to meet up even though I told him I’d contact him when I could. Yet he would still contact me asking. It got old real fast. It turned me off and I stopped seeing him.
- saying you do something and then don’t do it. I saw a guy for massage. I later found out he also escorted. He listed kissing in his escort ad and I asked him to verify that he did… to which he said, yes. I made an appointment. During the session we seemed to be having a good time. I go in for kiss and he turns his head. I try again and same result. I finished the session, had a good time even, but I won’t hire him again (at least not as an escort) even though I find him hella attractive.
- lack of enthusiasm. I don’t expect to be treated like I’m a godsend, but if a guy just sits there and doesn’t respond or interact in some way no matter what I do. I definitely won’t try for a second meeting.
- honorable mention. Trying to upsell me during the middle of the action. It really depends on their approach whether I get turned off or not. There was a masseur in Florida who was very engaged in our session and hot as hell. He waited to the end of the erotic massage and asked if I wanted to continue and go further. I had the funds, so I did.

Another example, (which has a few from my list) a very attractive new hire turned me off. He had kissing in his ad and I asked to verify. I also told him I wanted to top him. When we met, early on, I felt maybe this wasn’t going to be a match. He was very nice though so I pressed on. He had an incredible body and when I went to touch him he said, “I just got back from the gym. So my body is sore.” I thought ok, then why did you not tell me beforehand and we could have reschedule. Anyway, I pressed on being careful not to grab him very hard. He made no attempts to do anything. I had to initiate everything. When I asked him to kiss me he reluctantly did so and only light pecks. While i was playing with him body as delicately as I could, he remarks that penetration would be extra. At the moment, I lost my excitement. Shortly afterwards he asked me if he did anything wrong. I just said no, got dressed, paid him and left. I definitely won’t see him ever again.

The only thing I’ve noticed, which I commented on in another post some time back, is that a lot of providers who had not advertised for years, returned this and last year. To me that was a sure sign there was an economic downturn.

I'm frankly a bit surprised how many people who post on this forum are clearly biased against both sex workers and clients.  The assumption that escorts cannot get any other type of job is silly.  The assumption that all clients are so repulsive that escorts must dislike working is just silly.  I'm not saying that those things aren't true some of the time (though, frankly, an escort with an extremely limited sense of which clients are worthy should look for a different line of work), but these stereotypes seem straight out of some trashy movie from decades ago:  Junkies desperate for a client so they can get their next fix, and physically and personally repugnant clients whose only opportunity for sexual intimacy is by paying for it.  

Via text, he quoted me $500 an hour… his traveling rate for an overnight is $2500… $4k for a weekend 

Who is this incredible but talkative specimen you speak of? 😁

It really depends on the person. There are guys who prefer late night shifts… some prefer early… but most sometime in between depending on various factors.
I only know a select few providers who favor later shifts but I didn’t find that out until after I had known them awhile.
There are two masseurs I met in the last few years who seem to favor later shifts. Both I’ve spoken about in previous topics.
i do know sometimes providers forget they have the available now rentmen/masseur alert on and won’t respond until the next day if it were on all night.

https://rent.men/ViktorYork 
I just got notification he’s back online!! Lots of fans of his in this forum!!!

It really depends on the person. There are guys who prefer late night shifts… some prefer early… but most sometime in between depending on various factors.
I only know a select few providers who favor later shifts but I didn’t find that out until after I had known them awhile.
There are two masseurs I met in the last few years who seem to favor later shifts. Both I’ve spoken about in previous topics.
i do know sometimes providers forget they have the available now rentmen/masseur alert on and won’t respond until the next day if it were on all night.

My first hire (and i don't remember the exact year, but probably around 2006 or 07) was this toned guy from Chicago who visited my area frequently. He also became my first regular.
My first overnight was with a bi muscled guy name Coltt. This was about 2009. We did a few overnights. Although he no longer escorts, and is married with kids, I still talk to him regularly. Really good guy.

One wanted me to pretend to be his son, showed me pictures of his actual son too.
One wanted me to wear some windbreaker outfit and grind on him.
One really old wheelchair-bound man specifically told me on the phone twice that he didn't want anything erotic and whaddya know, I show up and all he wants is erotic, in his wheelchair.
One guy wanted me to shave his balls and penetrate him with the razor. Things got scary for a minute the next day when he threw away or misplaced the razor and he threatened me as if the one dollar disposable razor had sentimental value.
 
There were clients that wanted me to perform witchcraft with them.
Requesting that I eat dinner with their families afterwards or before is always the fvcking worst. I hate meeting the relatives or even the kids that are at home right there in the living room. If you service Filipino clients or maybe asian immigrant clients, I guarantee you will have this experience.
 
Strangest locations are a whole other story like going to an actual warehouse/makeshift apartment in the middle of the night where I really could have disappeared forever, or being requested to pretend to be a usc student and provide the service in the office. 
 
There's requests for giving wedgies and spanking, or kick and stomp on balls.
Requests to rim me or lick my feet aren't that strange but I find that they don't enjoy me because I'm not musky and smelly. Sorry, I shower 3 times a day or more, and don't wear shoes and socks.
Requests for prostate massages are always really gross to me because I have no idea who's asking for it and how clean they will be.

I like it because it is appropriately vague, as every interaction is different, and sex isn't even always an option. Is a sensual massage sex work? To some, probably. Others, maybe not. What if someone is just hired for companionship or a dinner date. That surely isn't sex work. 'Provider' just covers all the bases. In all instances, they are providing a service.

Saying something does not make it true.  It's how you feel likely because you can't imagine being turned on by an average or god forbid below average client.  That makes sense. Standard tastes are standard because they are held by the majority and most gay men only want hot and skilled guys, so anything else is at best settling, at worse a chore, at the very worst unmanageable. 
Since you live in your own head, like we all do, it's probably hard for you to comprehend that throughout  time lots and lots of prostitutes don't feel that way about appearance or sexual proficiency, which is why we stick with it.  There are lots of Rod Hagens and Benjamin Nichols and Mike Gaites and Calvin Culvers and Dane Scots who do this for years, decades, with a smile.  Do you imagine that we are gluttons for punishment?  Sure on any particular day it may feel like a chore because the escort has other things he's thinking of, life, or maybe he came accidentally earlier in the day and is now trying to muddle through.  Muddling through occasionally is true of any job, even the ones we love. But if you love your job, that's only occasionally.  Many guys love escorting and enjoy their varied clients. 
But I'm the one who brought up longterm escorts which kinda derailed this conversation a bit I suppose.  I only did that because I always want to encourage people to either hire the escorts who are established, or if that's not possible to select the ones with the most reviews (use a proxy server) on Rent men from reviewers that seem to write "real" reviews.  But it that's not possible, then yes of course a lot of those unestablished guys may very well be grinning and bearing it just to get by for a bit to get over a $ slump.  I hope they make you believe it.  But there are lots of guys in the major cities available to you who are not faking. 

He was at one point… but the ad is expired.
https://rent.men/TravisConnorX

Very distant!

Over the years a number of providers (I have gotten to know very well) have said some of the sweetest things to me. Many times in a non-client/provider setting.
One of the newer guys I hired (I've met only twice... for an overnight and a weekend) said something that had taken me aback a bit. He is an incredibly kind, sweet, affectionate man. We were in talks to have another weekend late last year. Because of circumstances, I, sadly couldn't commit to a date and meet. I let him know we'd have to postpone to a later date this year. Not long after, he texted me out of the blue asking if I was ok. He also asked if I was upset at him for some reason. I said no and assured him he has been nothing but sweet and accommodating to me in every interaction we ever had. I guess because I couldn't solidify the date he assumed something was wrong and it was something he'd done. I let him know it was me and not him him. This is when he made the comment that I was one of the very few people who treated him like a human being since he started escorting. That broke my heart. He went on to say he didn't want to ever lose me as a client because of how well I treated him. I told him he didn't have to worry. As long as I am able to hire him I would. He gave me a response (which I won't repeat here) that definitely has endeared me to him. I'm eager to see him again.
In the past, I have heard horror stories about various things from providers. Specifically on how people who pay for their services, more often than not treat them as less than. So I wasn't surprised this provider was treated poorly by some, but it definitely always saddens me to hear. I never expected him to tell me he didn't want to lose me as a client the way he did.

Established escorts, many of whom have contributed here, beg to differ.  They genuinely love and find many of their clients sexy.

Hes a nice guy. And a massive attractive human being. He makes me feel 2 feet tall 🤣 

For fuck's sake, stop calling it an illusion where established escorts are concerned.  My Journal confirms that while escorting in my 20s and 30s and 40s I was turned on by every type of man out there and I'm not the only escort who felt/feels that way.  

I have no “minimum size.” None. Zero. Penis is penis, and I’m proudly an equal-opportunity enthusiast. Big, small, thick, thin, cut, uncut, natal or not - there’s something to appreciate in every variety. Small penis? Good penis. Big penis? Also good penis. There is no magical measurement where a penis suddenly becomes “worthwhile.” Attraction isn’t something you determine with a ruler.
Or, to shamelessly misappropriate that old Winston cigarette slogan: “It’s not how long you make it—it’s how you make it long.”
Words to live by.

I don’t think it is a fake. First the ad was created in 2018. He references his onlyfans. Most people faking or using someone else’s identity don’t point to something that can prove otherwise.
Also when Apollon (the name he uses in porn) had an ad years ago, I buddy listed it. When I check MMike’s site it says I have him already buddy listed.
Lastly, and more anecdotally, I have seen a lot of porn actors return to escorting/massage work this year… who stopped years ago. Maybe it’s a sign of an economic downtown but whatever the reason, I’m glad a few of my favs are available again.

I think he's just using Rentmen as an additional way to reach the masses to his massage services. If you read that contents of his ad, it's definitely for massage services over escorting. He's advertising just a erotic massage on both sites.
I wish he were a full service escort because his body is beautiful from head to toe. He's genuinely a sweet guy, with me anyway.

He’s porn actor Elijah Wilde. He has been on rentmen and rentmasseur off and on. I haven’t met him but I want to. He tends to change his ad name when he returns to the sites. I haven’t looked into if he’s been discussed previously on the forum.