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Multiple people already explained why this isn't the harmless thing you and OP think it was and why it lead this shitty provider react how he did. If you and @JayCeeKy refuse to see that, that's both of your prerogatives. There are literally dozens of threads on this forum about how providers hate haggling and clients hate being up charged on services. The price is the price specifically to avoid miscommunications and bad reactions like this, and OP did not simply state the providers listed rate was out of their budget. Which i specifically said would have been fine. And OP certainly isn't the first one to have declined the provider over their price, and like i said, if it was losing them substantial business they'd have already adjusted. OP isn't the special straw to break the camels back there. OPs issue was the "well I'm used to a drastically lower specific price" which implies "and that's what you should come down to" or "so you're not worth what you listed". This is, however unintended, an initiation of negotiation and is a step beyond just declining the providers stated price and something providers generally don't do. If you and OP are refusing to accept that, that's you both making a choice despite people here telling you why it's an issue. You both are clearly just butt hurt the comments section didn't turn into a "oh poor OP" pitty party thread when the better takeaway is just accepting there's an easy way to not get this kind of reaction from a provider again.

It's partially because he wouldn't have lashed out that way had you not "suggested" a lower rate in a business transaction where bartering/negotiating is not the norm and is actively frowned upon by most people on both ends of the transaction in this hobby (particularly for new first time clients). That's the part you aren't understanding, you didn't just say hello and he bit your head off for nothing. You don't realize you effectively insulted him first. Obviously, his reaction was way over the top and tells a lot about him, but "merely suggesting" a lower rate is what caused him to initially escalate. What you're used to paying isn't an enforced standard, every provider can charge what they want and if it's a price they stick to, it's generally because they have people who are paying it and they generally aren't going to lower it (especially as drastically as you suggested) for a new first time client. If you'd replied the same way to any other provider, most of them of course wouldn't have called you what he called you, but they'd have likely still been fairly annoyed or even mad at you, verbalized that in some less extreme way, and possibly still blocked you. If someone is charging a rate you can't afford or aren't willing to pay, you don't say "well other providers are charging less" or "well i don't think you're worth that much so you should only charge me X instead". That's effectively what you're saying to a provider when you bring up some lower price some other provider unrelated to them charges. It's an insulting suggestion to the provider and simply isn't how this works. All that's needed (if anything) at most is a "oh ok that doesn't work for me/my budget unfortunately" and move on to the next profile. So with that knowledge/context, the issue is that you unknowingly poked a bear here by not knowing an unspoken courtesy of this hobby. That's why people are telling you about what you said more than they are criticizing the provider. The provider saying what he said sucks, literally no one here is denying or defending that. People suck and are going to say hateful shit. He's not on this thread to hear the criticism and he likely wouldn't change even if he was. Consoling you over that doesn't prevent you from unknowingly walking into this situation again with another provider, but telling you why this happened does.

What do you mean? That absolutely is an issue of cleanliness. There'd only be unpleasant scent transfer to his mouth if your hole wasn't properly cleaned of swamp crotch sweat/B.O./fecal matter before he rimmed you. You ideally should be clean before hand by douching + showering. I don't think you realize how much you're telling on yourself here lol

You just said the same thing i did now, so you agree. Sex isn't inherently emotional. Sex can be transactional regardless of it being for money or something else. A hook up being chosen is due to mutual physical attraction. Nice backtrack 👍. Also if me agreeing and supplementing someone else's point bothers you, maybe don't be on a public forum where discussion is multi-person and not always one on one. Other people are going to chime in, that's how it works.

"Normal sex" doesn't inherently have an emotional aspect to it. Sex is just sex. It can have an emotional aspect to it, but that isn't what differentiates it from paid sex. Transactional sex can also happen without money changing hands. You're confusing emotional capacity to simple mutual physical attraction. Which is probably why Peter Eater is saying you need to get out more, because those are not at all the same thing.

Most of the replies have established this all really boils down to "our safety is in our own hands". Fidelity or provider honesty/integrity and whether clients accept provider representation at face value or not all kinda don't matter.

If you don't feel clean enough down there to kiss a guy after he's rimmed you, why let him rim you at all? 🤔

This is what I've heard from a doctor friend as well. Being on PrEP is something i feel everyone should do if they can. Even if in a monogamous relationship. Side tangent: I personally see it as being similar to having a pre-nup for a marriage (which i also think anyone getting married should do). People should never let their romanticized notion of a relationship/monogamy/marriage lasting forever or being guaranteed to be faithful stop them from protecting themself. If something as medically life altering as serious STI infection from a cheating partner or as financially life altering as a divorce is a possibility, everyone should still protect themself regardless of how much you love and trust your partner in the present. Doing so does not inherently mean your relationship isn't sound or is less than or that you lack faith in the relationship's long term success. You're simply protecting yourself from the possible consequences of things that aren't fully in your control.

Actually i just double checked. I don't think you can send attachments that have to be downloaded on RM (unless it's a zip file maybe?). Any photos open within the browser (and not as a pop up window), and when i checked a message thread that had provider pics in it, they all did open with a blank page for like a split second before showing the pic. I think it's just a loading delay. They open instantly when i re-open them after that 🤷‍♂️

Yeah it's pretty normal, maybe not something every provider does as most just put all their pics on the profile, but it's not new. A lot of the providers who have very few public profile pics or no face pics will instead send them in the RM DMs. He's just trying to entice you and get you to book. As far as your screen flashing before opening the pic... If the pic was in the RM message and just opened within the browser, that could just be your web browser having a UI glitch. That's not abnormal, i know for me Firefox on Mac starts acting funny if i go too long ignoring a browser update. I get parts of web pages that struggle to load or other UI elements don't render/act properly and it goes away once i close the browser and restart which installs the Firefox update. Have experienced the same on Chrome. But if they sent you an attachment you had to download to your computer, i'd be a bit more wary of that personally and i have not experienced that on RM. Photos can be displayed within the RM message/browser without needing to download to your computer, so there's no reason for them to send an attachment. So if they sent you an attachment you had to download and your screen flashed after opening a downloaded file. That would make me a bit more nervous something nefarious may have been attached to the photo file.

They obviously are lying. There's no gray area there whatsoever, but i do also think that if they indeed are on their treatment protocol then yes "there's little difference" for the person interacting with them. Both of those things are true at the same time. In terms of their ability to infect you with HIV, whether they are negative (as of the last time they tested) and on PrEP, versus being Positive but Undetectable. The chance for infection indeed is the same (basically 0) and they are just trying to avoid dealing with the stigma (and thus impact to their business) that results from people still having intense stigma towards HIV positive people. This doesn't make the lie ok or justified, but i get why they do it. Is it our right to know? No. Is it their responsibility to be transparent and disclose? It'd be nice if they did, but they aren't obligated. The only thing that is our right and our own responsibility is to protect our own self by being on PrEP/using condoms, or not engaging at our own discretion. You can't rely on other people to protect you for you or to show you their medical records before every interaction. Because we now have the ability to protect ourselves, the onus is on us as individuals to use that protection. In my personal opinion.

If he's actually a model, it must mostly be model industry higher ups that are the ones paying a rate like that. 2000 is pennies to them, but much more than what us plebs are used to paying. I knew one provider who'd been hired by a couple celebrities/famous people (he named two recognizable names in entertainment), they paid him like 10k to spend a week with him. Another client who hired him constantly hires groups of 10+ providers at a time for orgies. Celebs/powerful people are doing this at a scale way above our heads. Providers working with that kind of clientele have no incentive to offer "normal" rates for the rest of us.

It depends on how professional they are and how long a session their clients are booking, and what the provider is doing during the session. A provider i know usually sees 5-7 clients in a day. but it's usually a 1-2 hour session and most of them are massage + HE or sometimes extras. And doing this is his full time job and setting his own hours. With proper time management it's completely doable to see that many clients in a day and still have time between to be clean for the next. It's mostly just a matter of preference like Jamie21 said with needing the mental down time. Your concern of where you are in the line and if they are clean/dirty or not isn't directly correlated to how many clients they have booked, but to their professionalism. On the other hand, i've known guys who see very few clients a day but have sessions running up against each other or their own personal life obligations or have shown up to a session not clean because they booked a client for right after they got off work at their day job. And it's because they're unorganized and not good at time management, not because they see too many clients per day.

I feel like you gotta just book a longer session. Even on a "slow day" you never know when another client of his may book a slot directly after yours, which would mean he'll have a hard out in order to be ready for that next client. You can't really ask him to put more time between his sessions, it's up to his time management and financial reasoning for how many sessions he does a day and how closely he does or doesn't book them to each other. The only part you can control is how long your session is.

https://rentmasseur.com/ProfessionalHand been hiring this guy for a good while now. He leaves town today or tomorrow, but he currently lives here and would be back again soon. https://rentmasseur.com/MikeChris

Just saw him in L.A. tonight as a third with myself and another guy i hire regularly. We had a good time, and he seems to have fun doing it. I believe he's heading to another city tomorrow, not sure where, but yeah he's a good time. Not sure if he's as active on RentMasseur as he is on RentMen anymore (we contacted him through RentMen) but yeah. https://rentmasseur.com/CamiloXcamilo https://rent.men/CamiloXcamilo

Me personally, i don't PNP and never want a provider doing that in front of me. I've never needed to specifically ask a provider not to do it. It's always seemed to me like something that a provider wouldn't do (or at the very least would keep to themself) unless the client specifically asks for it. But maybe i've just been lucky, i've also seen the stories on this forum of guys unexpectedly showing up clearly high and such. So maybe it does need to be said 🤷‍♂️. Definitely would make it more of a guarantee to avoid it if it's explicitly stated.

Could try this guy https://rent.men/EnzoBrazilVllXX. A regular i have threeways with brought him last time and it was fun. Might also be worth asking the guy you did find to have him pick someone. The guy i do threeways with reaches out to other providers for me. He gives me a couple options to pick from (either providers he's friends with and has worked with before or just other guys he finds himself browsing RM and hasn't worked with yet), and then he contacts them to set it up. He knows my type and what i'm into and wouldn't bring someone who'd do a terrible job. So it works out pretty well and saves me the time searching.

If you haven't been with men yet and plan to bottom, in addition to what others have recommended for you. I also recommend you look up some youtube videos on how to "clean out" or douche. So bottoming will be a clean experience for you and the provider you hire. And in my personal opinion and in my personal experience (everyone is different though). Size/"too big" is more about if the guy knows how to use his dick and if he knows how to do foreplay and "open up" a bottom more than it is about the specific length or girth. So i think the most important thing to do is, who ever you pick, tell him you are a new bottom and need to be opened up. If he's experienced, he'll know what that means and know how to handle you and you'll be able to handle most dicks fine. As far as recommendations go. I personally love recommending this NY guy: https://rent.men/BenjaminMilliano (unfortunately the only NY rec i have cause i'm not based there, he just visits my city sometimes). He can range from handling first timers gently and with care to being super dominant/aggressive and abuse your throat/hole with people who can handle that and request that from him, and everything in between. He was one of the first big dicks i had and i explained i hadn't had one that big before and i needed him to guide me through it and make sure i could handle his size first before he turned up the heat. And he did that expertly and took me from 0-100, from one finger inserted to balls deep pounding me through the mattress 😆. He's definitely confident and knows what he's capable of giving, has a very manly calmly commanding presence (really nice if you like to be told what to do), but he's also very chill. Can also be very sweet and flirty. One of the recent reviews on his profile says "he makes you feel like his bitch and his princess at the same time" and i would second that. He doesn't rush the session/clock watch and is very generous with his time in my experiences with him. He is exclusively and strictly a top though, he will not be verse/bottom for you and he does not give oral or kiss. So that's something to consider. For some clients, no kissing is an absolute deal breaker when they are hiring providers because they need the intimacy aspect. For others, sometimes maybe they want an experience where they just get their holes used by another man or to engage in specific fetishes. This guy is a bit more the latter type of experience. If any of that is what you mean be "EQ and physical attraction". Pricing wise, NY/big city guys will probably charge you 300-400 per hour depending on what you ask for. The guy i recommended is more expensive than the normal range, first time i met him was 500 first hour, 400 second hour. But every time I've seen him he spends a lot of extra time with me after the session to hang out, i got enough extra rounds of action and extra time with him that even the 900 for 2 hours we initially agreed to felt like a deal. So i personally really feel he's worth the higher fee.

Also a "as deep as my tongue can go" person. I'm honestly annoyed i'm not one of those guys with a super long tongue. I don't have the kinda tongue to be able to use it the way i want to when rimming. I've been lucky, never had any "shit happens" problems with any of the guys i've rimmed.

I don't recognize him from past ads or OF/fansite content. But image searching the photo of him on the beach in red shorts will pull up his Snapchat. Doesn't seem like he has a big following (just 7,400 followers) and it didn't pull up other social media accounts nor any provider ads other than this current one.

So with you on this. I love sucking it directly out of a guy, but like 10 seconds after cum has been exposed to the air it cools down and starts to coagulate. The consistency/texture becomes so gross for me that i can't handle it. Kinda like when you leave a soup sitting too long and goes cold and gets that film over the top or when ice cream completely melts and becomes room temperature or like when certain drinks sit too long and the different ingredients separate. I just can't 🫣. So unless the cum is going directly in one of the holes, i don't want it.

Yeah this is something i can't get into either. I can ALMOST get it cause i do see the fun/novelty of having two of "the same guy", but the part where they're actually brothers ruins it for me personally. I can get the "two of the same guy" thing just having a threesome with any random gay/bi couple since so many guys these days date a guy who looks just like them 🫣😆. All the clone fun, none of the incest 🤣

Despite the profile being expired, it also says he's logged in today. In my experience, expired profile doesn't really mean much unless they also haven't logged in for a long time. It just means he's not actively paying for a subscription, but if he's still logging in and probably still checking messages, he will probably give you his number to text him to book. I'm also not getting straight/"straight" vibes from him. The "straight" guys are usually very limited in what they'll do, they usually only let you give them oral or they will only top. His profile is "i'm a sex addict and i'm into almost everything" and his position lists verse/top, which implies he's open to bottoming for clients. Doesn't really scream straight to me.

It actually does. A deli/escort hire and a masseur/massage focused hire, are not always going to handle starting a session/foreplay the same way because for the most part they're offering different services/experiences. If you're saying that you think the foreplay is what made them go down on you or lift their legs with no hesitation or mount you... It's not, they're just doing what you hired them to do 🫣