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    down_to_business got a reaction from Phil_musc in Might be time to stop...   
    I often felt like that after hiring. It was a high followed by an even more intense low. This was the norm until I met the person who would become my first regular. I saw him for many years. Overnights, weekends, even longer. I would probably still be seeing him today if circumstances wouldn't have made that impossible. But the important thing in this, was that I finally met someone who didn't make me feel bad about myself afterwards, and that made all the difference.
    After, I still saw escorts.. but less frequently. Again those bad feelings about myself afterwards returned. Just when I was about to give up, I met the escort that would become my second regular. We have progressed from an hour to overnight to full weekends. Once again I never feel bad about myself after seeing him.
     
    Here are few important things to keep in mind though.
    Do not allow seeing escorts to replace your real life experiences of making real friends and dating. To do so will definitely reinforce those negative feelings and self-worth doubts because you will not experience friendship and affection without paying for it. Unfortunately, it's way too easy to fall into this trap.
     
    While escorts and clients can develop deep relationships of some sort, always remember that its almost always transactional based. You can be friendly, your companion may actually enjoy your company... but It's a job for your companion. When the $ stops so does the "friendship & affection".
    *There are a VERY few exceptions to this (but it's so extremely rare) and should never be expected.
     
    You don't pay people to be your real friends.
     
    Most importantly, if the net effect on you is negative, definitely stop seeing escorts.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from AceHardware in Might be time to stop...   
    I often felt like that after hiring. It was a high followed by an even more intense low. This was the norm until I met the person who would become my first regular. I saw him for many years. Overnights, weekends, even longer. I would probably still be seeing him today if circumstances wouldn't have made that impossible. But the important thing in this, was that I finally met someone who didn't make me feel bad about myself afterwards, and that made all the difference.
    After, I still saw escorts.. but less frequently. Again those bad feelings about myself afterwards returned. Just when I was about to give up, I met the escort that would become my second regular. We have progressed from an hour to overnight to full weekends. Once again I never feel bad about myself after seeing him.
     
    Here are few important things to keep in mind though.
    Do not allow seeing escorts to replace your real life experiences of making real friends and dating. To do so will definitely reinforce those negative feelings and self-worth doubts because you will not experience friendship and affection without paying for it. Unfortunately, it's way too easy to fall into this trap.
     
    While escorts and clients can develop deep relationships of some sort, always remember that its almost always transactional based. You can be friendly, your companion may actually enjoy your company... but It's a job for your companion. When the $ stops so does the "friendship & affection".
    *There are a VERY few exceptions to this (but it's so extremely rare) and should never be expected.
     
    You don't pay people to be your real friends.
     
    Most importantly, if the net effect on you is negative, definitely stop seeing escorts.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from Jackus in Might be time to stop...   
    I often felt like that after hiring. It was a high followed by an even more intense low. This was the norm until I met the person who would become my first regular. I saw him for many years. Overnights, weekends, even longer. I would probably still be seeing him today if circumstances wouldn't have made that impossible. But the important thing in this, was that I finally met someone who didn't make me feel bad about myself afterwards, and that made all the difference.
    After, I still saw escorts.. but less frequently. Again those bad feelings about myself afterwards returned. Just when I was about to give up, I met the escort that would become my second regular. We have progressed from an hour to overnight to full weekends. Once again I never feel bad about myself after seeing him.
     
    Here are few important things to keep in mind though.
    Do not allow seeing escorts to replace your real life experiences of making real friends and dating. To do so will definitely reinforce those negative feelings and self-worth doubts because you will not experience friendship and affection without paying for it. Unfortunately, it's way too easy to fall into this trap.
     
    While escorts and clients can develop deep relationships of some sort, always remember that its almost always transactional based. You can be friendly, your companion may actually enjoy your company... but It's a job for your companion. When the $ stops so does the "friendship & affection".
    *There are a VERY few exceptions to this (but it's so extremely rare) and should never be expected.
     
    You don't pay people to be your real friends.
     
    Most importantly, if the net effect on you is negative, definitely stop seeing escorts.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from inthepit3 in Might be time to stop...   
    I often felt like that after hiring. It was a high followed by an even more intense low. This was the norm until I met the person who would become my first regular. I saw him for many years. Overnights, weekends, even longer. I would probably still be seeing him today if circumstances wouldn't have made that impossible. But the important thing in this, was that I finally met someone who didn't make me feel bad about myself afterwards, and that made all the difference.
    After, I still saw escorts.. but less frequently. Again those bad feelings about myself afterwards returned. Just when I was about to give up, I met the escort that would become my second regular. We have progressed from an hour to overnight to full weekends. Once again I never feel bad about myself after seeing him.
     
    Here are few important things to keep in mind though.
    Do not allow seeing escorts to replace your real life experiences of making real friends and dating. To do so will definitely reinforce those negative feelings and self-worth doubts because you will not experience friendship and affection without paying for it. Unfortunately, it's way too easy to fall into this trap.
     
    While escorts and clients can develop deep relationships of some sort, always remember that its almost always transactional based. You can be friendly, your companion may actually enjoy your company... but It's a job for your companion. When the $ stops so does the "friendship & affection".
    *There are a VERY few exceptions to this (but it's so extremely rare) and should never be expected.
     
    You don't pay people to be your real friends.
     
    Most importantly, if the net effect on you is negative, definitely stop seeing escorts.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from liubit in Might be time to stop...   
    I often felt like that after hiring. It was a high followed by an even more intense low. This was the norm until I met the person who would become my first regular. I saw him for many years. Overnights, weekends, even longer. I would probably still be seeing him today if circumstances wouldn't have made that impossible. But the important thing in this, was that I finally met someone who didn't make me feel bad about myself afterwards, and that made all the difference.
    After, I still saw escorts.. but less frequently. Again those bad feelings about myself afterwards returned. Just when I was about to give up, I met the escort that would become my second regular. We have progressed from an hour to overnight to full weekends. Once again I never feel bad about myself after seeing him.
     
    Here are few important things to keep in mind though.
    Do not allow seeing escorts to replace your real life experiences of making real friends and dating. To do so will definitely reinforce those negative feelings and self-worth doubts because you will not experience friendship and affection without paying for it. Unfortunately, it's way too easy to fall into this trap.
     
    While escorts and clients can develop deep relationships of some sort, always remember that its almost always transactional based. You can be friendly, your companion may actually enjoy your company... but It's a job for your companion. When the $ stops so does the "friendship & affection".
    *There are a VERY few exceptions to this (but it's so extremely rare) and should never be expected.
     
    You don't pay people to be your real friends.
     
    Most importantly, if the net effect on you is negative, definitely stop seeing escorts.
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    down_to_business reacted to MikeBiDude in Do you have a preference for hairy vs smooth chests?   
    Prefer smooth....but not a dealbreaker at all
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    down_to_business got a reaction from + Pensant in Do I Need to Disclose My Race?   
    Excellent way to handle this @sync !
     
    Some other comments/thoughts:
     
    I am one who firmly believes escorts need to be responsible for their own "preferences" or prejudice. I also don't think any customer of a business or service needs to apologize for who they are (i.e. age, race, height, weight, etc.) and that is what providing such unsolicited information feels like. Apologetic sounding communication is very counter to confident communication, and many of us find confidence attractive. It should 100% be on the service provider to let a client know if he will not be able to see someone simply because of who they are (for example) the client is a ginger and he can't perform with gingers.
     
    I have never been able to consciously control who I am attracted to. if anyone knows the secret of how, let me in on it.
     
    Most of us have "preferences"... I think that is normal. I myself have a preference for 26-27 year old EMT/Firefighters with jet black hair and blue eyes that are 6' tall. That preference hasn't stopped me for my insane crush over British actor George Sear, who doesn't have jet black hair, is only 22 and is 5'8" tall. I also will not be attracted to every single 6' tall, 26 year old firefighter with jet black hair and blue eyes that I see.
     
    Not every escort needs to be attracted to every client to provide service to them. Not every person needs to be attracted to their partner to have sex with them. Some people (and as a subset escorts) won't be able to have sex with another who they don't find attractive.
     
    And...No I don't think being an escort is easy nor can everyone do it.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from Monarchy79 in Do I Need to Disclose My Race?   
    Excellent way to handle this @sync !
     
    Some other comments/thoughts:
     
    I am one who firmly believes escorts need to be responsible for their own "preferences" or prejudice. I also don't think any customer of a business or service needs to apologize for who they are (i.e. age, race, height, weight, etc.) and that is what providing such unsolicited information feels like. Apologetic sounding communication is very counter to confident communication, and many of us find confidence attractive. It should 100% be on the service provider to let a client know if he will not be able to see someone simply because of who they are (for example) the client is a ginger and he can't perform with gingers.
     
    I have never been able to consciously control who I am attracted to. if anyone knows the secret of how, let me in on it.
     
    Most of us have "preferences"... I think that is normal. I myself have a preference for 26-27 year old EMT/Firefighters with jet black hair and blue eyes that are 6' tall. That preference hasn't stopped me for my insane crush over British actor George Sear, who doesn't have jet black hair, is only 22 and is 5'8" tall. I also will not be attracted to every single 6' tall, 26 year old firefighter with jet black hair and blue eyes that I see.
     
    Not every escort needs to be attracted to every client to provide service to them. Not every person needs to be attracted to their partner to have sex with them. Some people (and as a subset escorts) won't be able to have sex with another who they don't find attractive.
     
    And...No I don't think being an escort is easy nor can everyone do it.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from Quincy_7 in How can I remain discreet & allow provider enough info at the same time?   
    From personal experience, all it takes is that 1 time you get blackmailed by an escort to realize how important it is to protect yourself and your personal information.
     
    I only will make contact with a new provider with a VoIP. This was actually suggested to me by an escort I used to see. I make no exceptions for this and if the escort has a problem with it, I simply move on.
     
    Do not give specific details out about your life or your personal information. Personally, I hate meeting an escort and having it feel like I am at a job interview. I do enjoy sharing personal information with an escort naturally and over time as we build a relationship.
    Here are some examples (examples are not my own personal info!):
    Q- What is your birthday?
    A- I am a Capricorn or February
    not- February 1, 1955
     
    Q- Where do you work?
    A- In the medical field
    not- I am a pharmaceutical sales representative for astra zeneca
     
    Q- Where do you live?
    A- Cleveland
    not- 7417 Battery Park Blvd Unit H7417
     
    Or alternatively, create your own backstory just like many escorts do.
     
    As far as the fear of an audit trail for written communication, I can only recommend you communicate broadly, (i.e. I really like kissing and receiving oral, are these things that you enjoy?) and never tie any of it to compensation. I actually won't discuss compensation in the same message that I discuss what I want to do. Instead I limit compensation discussions to nothing but time and money. It's actually why I prefer that written communication to voice communication which is so much harder to keep actions and compensation completely separate.
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    down_to_business reacted to adventurous old guy in Are 1 Hour Escort Booking Common? Newbie Question   
    Piling on to say I agree with almost all of the advice here, and underscore DTB's comment that nonperformance situations are tricky. Its an awkward conversation to have, and can lead to excuse, argument or other kinds of drama. There are anecdotal reports here about conversations of nonperformance even leading to threats, though I hope that's rare -- its not happened to me. What I have experienced twice is a person who showed up with no intention to perform. There are scammers, and for me that's a reason for just scheduling an hour the first time. If that happens, I'd say something neutral like "we don't seem to be connecting," end the meeting early, pay the hour but no tip, and show him the door.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from adventurous old guy in Are 1 Hour Escort Booking Common? Newbie Question   
    1. Yes. Despite personal preferences mentioned, one hour is very common.
    2. No. Some require it but most won't. In my experience, the best escorts I have met did not.
    3. Ultimately you both are responsible for time. I will usually set a phone alarm. Also feel free to discuss with the escort if you prefer he keep track of your time.
    4. I think a good goal is mutual climax, however, (in general) you do need to clarify this with your escort as some will not climax if they aren't asked. Some see multiple clients in a day etc.
    5. This is a tricky one and very situational. In general you should pay the agreed upon fee in a short duration appointment as long as fraud/intentional deception isn't involved.
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    down_to_business reacted to maninsoma in Musician crushes?   
    Most recent male singer who caught my eye is Shawn Mendes.
     

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    down_to_business got a reaction from Ryan Roman in How can I remain discreet & allow provider enough info at the same time?   
    From personal experience, all it takes is that 1 time you get blackmailed by an escort to realize how important it is to protect yourself and your personal information.
     
    I only will make contact with a new provider with a VoIP. This was actually suggested to me by an escort I used to see. I make no exceptions for this and if the escort has a problem with it, I simply move on.
     
    Do not give specific details out about your life or your personal information. Personally, I hate meeting an escort and having it feel like I am at a job interview. I do enjoy sharing personal information with an escort naturally and over time as we build a relationship.
    Here are some examples (examples are not my own personal info!):
    Q- What is your birthday?
    A- I am a Capricorn or February
    not- February 1, 1955
     
    Q- Where do you work?
    A- In the medical field
    not- I am a pharmaceutical sales representative for astra zeneca
     
    Q- Where do you live?
    A- Cleveland
    not- 7417 Battery Park Blvd Unit H7417
     
    Or alternatively, create your own backstory just like many escorts do.
     
    As far as the fear of an audit trail for written communication, I can only recommend you communicate broadly, (i.e. I really like kissing and receiving oral, are these things that you enjoy?) and never tie any of it to compensation. I actually won't discuss compensation in the same message that I discuss what I want to do. Instead I limit compensation discussions to nothing but time and money. It's actually why I prefer that written communication to voice communication which is so much harder to keep actions and compensation completely separate.
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    down_to_business reacted to xyz48B in When you are asked for your stats   
    Not everyone could be a carpenter.
     
    I answer all questions asked truthfully. And my age hasn’t been the presenting issue for any escort thus far. I sense that older guys are more concerned about that than need be.
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    down_to_business reacted to The_Impeccable_G in SEEKING ARRANGEMENT / SEEKING.COM / IS IT WORTH $89.95 MONTHLY   
    At the risk of oversimplifying, a sugarboy is a relationship, an escort is a transaction.
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    down_to_business reacted to marylander1940 in When you are asked for your stats   
    Agreed (mostly).
     
    I have a feeling that gay men think of themselves in two extremes... those who lack self confidence and constantly undermine their looks, achievements, etc. and those who no matter how they look or have they think of themselves as successful and handsome individuals.
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    down_to_business reacted to xyz48B in When you are asked for your stats   
    Some providers will include this info in their description. I find that helpful.
     
    “No hang ups about you (age, height, weight etc) Sexually, I am open to most. Not many things are off limits. If you are into mild or wild, let’s chat. Kinks, fetishes or just something vanilla, I’m in. No discrimination or judgement and I expect the same.”
     
    Reading something like that in a profile makes me expect the provider is indeed open. I still like to confirm because, unfortunately, though it’s written, it doesn’t mean that it’s accurate. Sometimes these ads are worth less than the paper they’re written on.
     
    It has to make it especially difficult for the guys who do mean that when they write it. That’s why this forum is so invaluable. It helps separate the wheat from the weeds.
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    down_to_business reacted to Ghadd in When you are asked for your stats   
    That is something I would be very interested in. Not to shame the provider, but to remove a hurdle in the hiring process. When a provider's profile is clear about what they offer (and to whom), it'll attract that type of client. It would also let people who have a harder time with rejection know right away if a provider is worth approaching, or if the provider would decline/cancel after learning the client's attributes.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from marylander1940 in When you are asked for your stats   
    I think the burden should be on the provider and not on the client, but I am apparently far from the majority on this forum. Personally, I would like to see a standard area on rentmen profiles similar to....
    Available For:
     
    I Am Into:
     
    I provide services to:
    ... where the escort could be specific (ie noone over a certain age, or a certain weight etc... or more broad if they don't want to publicly own their prejudice (i.e. I see ( or I am good with) everyone or I see only very select clientele etc.)
     
    I also find it insultingly hypocritical how a few overbearing posters here consistently berate clients for not describing themselves (even if unintentionally) with 100% accuracy while justifying, excusing and even borderline blessing escorts to misrepresent themselves with reckless abandon.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from + bigjoey in Are you rich?   
    How much money do you need to be rich? According to respondents of a 2019 Modern Wealth Survey from Charles Schwab, once you have $2.3 million in personal net worth, you can call yourself wealthy. On the other hand, people responding to a 2019 survey from the market research website YouGov said you need to earn just $100,000 a year to be rich.
     
    "Wealth is in the eye of the beholder," says Tiffany Welka, an accredited wealth management advisor with financial firm VFG Associates in Livonia, Michigan.
     
    The IRS, financial advisors and average Americans all have different ideas about what makes someone wealthy. What's more, a person's location, age and friends can all play a significant role in whether they feel rich. Keep reading for a look at how various groups define wealth and if you can consider yourself among the nation's financial elite.
     
    Copied from https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-wealthy-defined-143230889.html
     
    Hey.. wouldn't that include anyone who owns a house in San Francisco
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    down_to_business got a reaction from xyz48B in When you are asked for your stats   
    I think the burden should be on the provider and not on the client, but I am apparently far from the majority on this forum. Personally, I would like to see a standard area on rentmen profiles similar to....
    Available For:
     
    I Am Into:
     
    I provide services to:
    ... where the escort could be specific (ie noone over a certain age, or a certain weight etc... or more broad if they don't want to publicly own their prejudice (i.e. I see ( or I am good with) everyone or I see only very select clientele etc.)
     
    I also find it insultingly hypocritical how a few overbearing posters here consistently berate clients for not describing themselves (even if unintentionally) with 100% accuracy while justifying, excusing and even borderline blessing escorts to misrepresent themselves with reckless abandon.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from Ghadd in When you are asked for your stats   
    I think the burden should be on the provider and not on the client, but I am apparently far from the majority on this forum. Personally, I would like to see a standard area on rentmen profiles similar to....
    Available For:
     
    I Am Into:
     
    I provide services to:
    ... where the escort could be specific (ie noone over a certain age, or a certain weight etc... or more broad if they don't want to publicly own their prejudice (i.e. I see ( or I am good with) everyone or I see only very select clientele etc.)
     
    I also find it insultingly hypocritical how a few overbearing posters here consistently berate clients for not describing themselves (even if unintentionally) with 100% accuracy while justifying, excusing and even borderline blessing escorts to misrepresent themselves with reckless abandon.
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    down_to_business got a reaction from + Axiom2001 in What are you binge-watching?   
    Latest pleasure is Hulu's Love, Victor. Enjoying it very much. Will finish complete season in 2 days. Bonus incentive, British actor, George Sear as Benji...who I've liked from Disney channel's Evermore Chronicles, Into the Badlands and most recently, Alex Rider.
     
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yJmSwTse5a0/Vh67AtdvK5I/AAAAAAABMFw/QSqDNE8zO9E/s1600/1.jpg
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    down_to_business got a reaction from orville in Are you rich?   
    How much money do you need to be rich? According to respondents of a 2019 Modern Wealth Survey from Charles Schwab, once you have $2.3 million in personal net worth, you can call yourself wealthy. On the other hand, people responding to a 2019 survey from the market research website YouGov said you need to earn just $100,000 a year to be rich.
     
    "Wealth is in the eye of the beholder," says Tiffany Welka, an accredited wealth management advisor with financial firm VFG Associates in Livonia, Michigan.
     
    The IRS, financial advisors and average Americans all have different ideas about what makes someone wealthy. What's more, a person's location, age and friends can all play a significant role in whether they feel rich. Keep reading for a look at how various groups define wealth and if you can consider yourself among the nation's financial elite.
     
    Copied from https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-wealthy-defined-143230889.html
     
    Hey.. wouldn't that include anyone who owns a house in San Francisco
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