PhileasFogg

I think the constructive contribution of providers is important. Not unique to any public gathering, the challenge comes with the intersection of an uncivil provider, an uncivil client, or both. Replace “uncivil” with “immature” and my observation is more typical. But there’s more upside to providers being heard than downside. Combine that with great moderation like we have here, and it’s a strong net positive.

Wow! 10 hours round trip just to see him! Must be special!

Exactly! I experienced that in spades with these guys!

One New Orleans guy did not have status noted on the profile. When I asked he said “I do everything to be sure I’m regularly tested and healthy” I now know the coded response for undetectable After our first encounter, he told me he was HIV+ Undetectable. I was not on PreP at the time and, as I researched it, I confirmed that the risk was tiny BUT that should have been MY decision, not his. He subsequently proved to be dishonest and delusional in other ways too. As a top, on prep with regular testing, undetectable should be exceptionally safe. But, one guy in Biloxi advertised + undetectable and then removed it from his ad… it’s bad for business because it’s misunderstood….but disclosure is appropriate.

I’ve corresponded in the past and sensed a degree of pushiness too. I don’t think it’s pushy per se…I think it’s because English is his second language

Actually, I can count at least 12 members here who I’ve met face to face, know my name, my number, or have even been a guest in one of my homes. They HAVE my LinkedIn. THEY aren’t trolls and are trustworthy. I’m guessing that, absent anonymity, you’d not be on that list. Do I recall that one of your first posts as @SecretProvider expressed an intent to post things that needed to me said? You’re only here to be negative. And I’m personally fine with that….theres plenty to be said. But, if you’re not here to be positive, please OWN it. There’s no need calling others out with passive aggressive attacks who are negative like you. The reality seems that your perspective is that all clients are a monolithic group treating providers like crap. That’s not true…but if that’s your experience, maybe the clients aren’t the problem.

Would you like me to type it slower for you so you can understand? And, it’s funny you use the word “criticize” when I simply state fact: 1) he made a passive aggressive attack on @BOZO T CLOWN 2) he does so behind an anonymous moniker displaying troll-like behavior while calling others out for being trolls 3) he made a CHOICE to become what he detests in a somewhat verbose tirade cloaked as “encouragement” that’s fine…but let’s just call it what it is D o Y o u. U n d e r s t a n d ?

I was the same way - what you do on your own time is your business. My change came in 2025 after specific experiences with two highly rated providers in New Orleans. I hope they get what they need. But I’m able to regularly observe at least one one of them on hook up apps with his “face down/ass up cum dump” posts to know meth is probably leaving him voraciously horny Meth is the gift that keeps on giving and triggers provider behaviors that interject risk into our interaction. There’s plenty of awesome SOBER guys out there to not have to take that risk. I wonder - how many of you actually look at evidence of STD testing before you hire someone? Because, there is a strong, well-documented correlation between meth use and a 50% increased risk of HIV. So, we can say what you do on your time is your business….until you track mud on to my rug.

PnP = Avoid next please?

It seems as though you’re trying to make a couple of back handed slaps at a long time member of this forum. Are you are accusing @BOZO T CLOWN of being a troll for pointing out the obvious inconsistency on PnP which is, by your own comment, completely rational? If so, your passive aggressive comment is the trollish behavior. There’s a reason you, unlike most providers here, hide behind a moniker of anonymity - and it’s not because you want to say positive things to draw people to shop at your small business. Right?

Say it often enough and maybe you’ll believe it. I can’t tell you how often a regular has commented to me about a referral they got from me to someone on this forum who then hired them.

Hmmm. A shame I’m booked when I get home tomorrow!

I applaud your response even in the face of my own push back. Thank you for stating all of that respectfully as you righteously defend your reputation There are plenty here who can be petty. Honestly, most here have been here a while and discount the validity of guys who join, make a couple of incendiary posts, and then move on. Your offensive poster was one of those. I think I’d speak for many here to say we’d love to have you as an active and contributing member of this group. Your feedback and defense of the rights and respectability of providers is highly valued

Well, there goes Yelp… one time, I had a guy with a huge number of 5 star reviews show up at my house for a massage, crawl on top of me and say “I’ll move into this house and make you my bitch”. Hmmm, yeah…I should have asked his consent to tell that story here. 🙄

Well, with 114 5 star reviews, I’m surprised he has time to continue bothering forum members.

Emotions aside: 1) as stated, the offending post about meth is potentially libelous and made my someone who’s not active on this forum. I suspect any of us would have taken that with a grain of salt until this thread came along. 2) meth is the “sex drug” leading to unquenchable and compulsive appetite for sex and also endurance for bottoming referenced in the OP’s ad on RM 3) read the OP’s ad if you haven’t. It describes a voracious appetite for sex, anywhere, anytime, the more the merrier. It also says PnP which, despite seeing comments made by us here, the OP has chosen to not remove as of a few minutes ago. He doesn’t need to remove it…his verbal commentary implies it anyway In the end, libel is a civil complaint determined based on the preponderance of evidence. I’m not in a position to judge the OP or to know the facts leading to the offensive post. BUT, I am in a position to have an opinion on what I see. Since the OP - newly joined here to respond on his grievance - came out not just defending himself but attacking as well, so I feel inclined to offer my opinion based on what I see. I’m glad he’s well educated and standing up for himself. I don’t see anything in that profile that refutes the offensive assertion or makes me want to hire this guy when sobriety and maturity are two of the three most important things I seek from guys. His response in this thread is a double edged sword but does not make a rational case, in my opinion, suggesting merit to warrant deleting posts or refuting the observation of the poster. There are two issues here: 1) Should we treat everyone with respect? IMO - absolutely. 2) Has this guy been wronged? IMO - I’m not sure, but he probably has gotten a lot of inquiries from the rough sex, PnP crowd since making this thread..

Yeah. But do they say PnP on their profile? The fact that this guy is soooo hot and sensitive is interesting to me. I wonder if he realizes that the negative comment would have faded into oblivion until he brought attention to it. Just sayin’ that this thread he’s created is a double edged sword. A well educated mature guy might have just contacted the admins and privately noted the disparaging comment and let them take care of it without fanfare…but instead he comes out swinging. i know this - I don’t care. I don’t know him, I’m not going to hire him, but he opened this Pandora’s box and now he owns it

Then I’ve been unclear and you’ve missed my point. But I’m not trying to argue with you. But the OP - in my opinion - has a tone of denial all over it.

You’re technically right…but I will tell you the guys that I’ve had bad experiences with ARE meth addicts and we’re in denial rationalizing their use AND - ironically - operate out of New Orleans

This topic has been touched on a number of times. In a few cases I’ve had to remind the poster that some statements can be libelous and litigated. I think a number of folks here know that I often defend providers who are attacked - especially ones that I’ve had experience with - BUT, if I say something bad, it’s backed by fact and will be stated very clearly. I’ll add that there are only two providers that I’ve had cause to comment about negatively and both were related to acts resulting from their meth addictions that they denied having. If I saw a profile indicating PnP, you’d never hear from me and I agree with others that your OP rings a little hollow when you embrace that activity so openly.

Expecting a Tip? For a self contractor???

I love it when you talk dirty 🤪 Which porn studio are Veblen and Fussell contracted with? 🤣

You’re not unreasonable in your approach but perhaps not making the case well. lets say they give each of you an hour at $300/hr and it takes them an hour round trip to get to you. So they make $600 for 3 hrs…$200/hr. If they did the same $300/hr for one person, they’d get $150/hr of their time. So back to you, the math is the same to them in $/hr if you pay them $450. They’re just not doing the math They should not see that as cheap if they understand the math…but then there’s a good reason that many of them are not rocket scientists. On the other hand, if they’re as busy as they want to be, their logic is sound - you don’t give discounts if you’re operating at full capacity Reminds me of a story for a guy named KaidenFoxx who used to be on RM. we arranged a trip to NYC. I suggested a trip and HE wanted to go there. Let’s say his standard rate was $1,000/night and we were going for 5 nights and let’s say we agreed on $3,500 for his time. At the last minute, he ghosted me. After the planned trip, he told me he felt disrespected because, although he’d agreed to it, I wasn’t paying him 5,000. So I asked one simple question - “how much did you make that week?” And he said he had no appointments. My response, “so you chose to make 0 rather than make $3,500 for an all expense paid trip to NYC including - at your request - 3rd row center seats to Wicked”. His response was “I’m young and I have a lot to learn.”

The guy(s) you were trying to help were not a “ho”…they were someone you saw as a deserving human being in need. What they do with the grace you offered determines whether or not they’re really a “ho.”

And yet, I pay an extra registration on my Mercedes PHEV because it uses less gas…