PhileasFogg

What can I say - maybe the in home training is paying off 😂

After 12 hours of traveling, I'll offer a couple of thoughts: 1) Good discussion and glad to see various perspectives offered 2) I'm sorry to see that some of you have responded to what you think I said happened and not what I actually described. 3) I'm fine if someone wants to say "hey, I think I personally might have enjoyed it." BUT, you are NOT entitled to say the same for me. @topunderachiever, you don't know me. Do not presume to have any basis to insult me with your prude/pearls comment....whether that was directed to me or @BSR, if you think it's right, then bless your sweet little heart. You can just go ahead an block me right now. 4) As many have noted - times have changed. As many of the older folks on this forum are critical of the younger ones for less safe sex practices "these days," many of the younger folks see consent and respect differently. Views on public nudity and consent are much more refined these days. And to the older folks, shame on you for teaching and/or modeling to the younger folks that this is OK. I'm over 60 and have NEVER been in an environment where this type of behavior is acceptable. 5) Some of you seem to bristle when I quote the law in what some suggested was a narrow sense. Actually, I simply quoted the law without personal bias. It's you choosing to interpret it loosely (based on your wishes), but those wishes carry zero weight in court. I will note that a number of public personalities have been "cancelled" and/or prosecuted both criminally and civilly over mere allegations of crossing these lines of propriety. Here are facts: I went to clothing optional resorts to get a tan not to get groped. I did NOT participate in IH's hot tub, red room, or sauna scenes (notwithstanding the fact that what happened two nights ago was at a bar on Duval St and NOT at IH) One guy, last night over drinks, even said that my (very fine looking) companion and I had intimidated them and were deemed unappoachable because we were clearly together - with each other - and not playing the field. Said guy was telling us this while his husband was in their room with another guest - to which I say - live and let live even if it ain't for me. I will note that earlier this year at Boy Beach in PTown, not a single person came up to grope either me or my very good looking travel companions. Each of you with differing views is entitled to your view, responsible for your actions, and man enough to own the repercussions of your actions. My suggestion - not everyone shares your view and, if pressed, the law is not very accommodating to your actions. Now, after 700 miles by plane and 400 miles by car, I'm going to bed. Good night

I don’t know if you’ve stayed at IH recently, but walking barefoot on the room floor turned my brand new white socks nearly black in less than an hour. I can send you a picture if you’d like. The glass sliding door above the pool was cloudy and could barely be called transparent. It took 14 hours to get the room cool and then we had to keep the thermostat on 60° to keep it close to comfortable, and the bathroom smelled like mold. This room was a PDK. I’ve only stayed at a Motel 6 once and it was much nicer. 😉 l’ve stayed at both Hacienda and regularly at 4 Seasons/Ritz Carlton and at Hacienda, they fall over themselves with service and the suite I had was bigger than my first apartment with every accessory I could need.

Tell me why this is right and proper behavior and I’ll concede that point. But so far, all I’m hearing is justification for why it’s acceptable bad behavior. And if you don’t see the difference, then I hope you don’t try it with the wrong young man or you might find yourself in cuffs of the involuntary kind 😉

Maybe that’s the problem…they weren’t cute 😂😂🤠. But seriously, if it were a cute guy, I’m sure the signals would have been there

As I said, I’m not trying to blow my personal experience out of proportion BUT, yes, lack of consent constitutes assault in most places according to my research. Maybe it’s a surprise to some - but times have changed. If you haven’t heard, “Baby It’s Cold Outside” was blacklisted by #MeToo for glamorizing date rape. And I will say that the two advances I’ve described were completely unsolicited and unwelcomed and, given their degree of intimacy, would have met the standard to constitute a crime. so, pray tell, how is anything I’ve described different from this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45958023.amp

Is that the evasive way of saying “facts don’t matter?” If you think you have something to add, please pay attention Notwithstanding your weak deflection, do you have something to offer of substance other than your suggestion that assault is not assault if it’s gay on gay or in a gang hangout? Back to my scenario, I’m guessing if I did what I described to a woman in a bar, you’d be one of the first people to call me a “pussy grabber” So tell me again how am I overreacting?

you may have missed that this most recent experience was in a bar. I went there for a drink with my companion, not to meet guys. But it’s good to know that if, as a bisexual male, I went to a bar and groped a woman that it would be OK because surely she was there to meet somebody, right? Why do I feel you trying, against logic, to justify a double standard. And to say it’s nuanced is not an acceptable answer. Just so we can level set here, I did a little research (and after reading it, maybe you can try again in telling me why it was OK because it was gay or a gay hangout) 1. Sexual Assault / Sexual Battery Even brief, unwanted touching of intimate areas (such as the thigh, buttocks, breast, or genital region) is often classified as sexual assault or sexual battery, depending on the state. These crimes generally don’t require physical injury — the non-consensual sexual contact itself is enough. 2. Criminal vs. Civil Criminal liability: The person could face arrest, charges, fines, or jail time. Civil liability: You could also have grounds for a civil lawsuit (e.g., battery, emotional distress). 3. Key Legal Elements Lack of consent: Your clear lack of permission is central. Intent: If the act was intentional (not accidental), that usually satisfies the criminal requirement. 4. Variations by State Some states use the term sexual assault broadly; others distinguish sexual battery (touching) from rape (penetration). Penalties range from misdemeanors to felonies depending on circumstances (e.g., force, threats, repeat offenses, victim’s age).

“Most” is the key word. I came for a lineless tan. And I sent no signals inviting touch from anyone but my travel companion. In fact, being lean with a classic physique, he got plenty of stares but no uninvited gropes (and feeling the same as me, he’d probably punch someone who touched him without permission) while I’m not going to get melodramatic and blow my personal response out of proportion, you’re kinda saying that “I asked for it” and “boys will be boys”….hmmm, where have I heard that before. IF this is a lauded aspect of “gay culture” to do this to strangers without invitation, then something is f’d up - especially if you’re holding this up as an initiation game for younger men coming out as well.

I agree. But, while I’m here, I’ve not been in the cruisy parts like the hot tubs, saunas or the red room. And, grabbing my ass and trying to stick a finger doesn’t pass the “sniff test” (pun intended) especially for a top like me 😂😂🤠

I don’t think Harry has the disposition to accept decisions from the popularly elected government that could differ from his own belief system. An important attribute in a sovereign with no power. He’d definately bring the end to the monarchy.

Naked isn’t an invitation to touch - despite the beauty of the object 😇 and this week’s experience was in a public venue. I’m not buying it. Maybe I should be flattered or maybe I’m more attractive than I think, but it’s not like I’ve been hanging out in the red room with my pants around my ankles

I should have said “Hey, that’s the VIP section and you’re not on the guest list”

Last month I was at The Hacienda in Palm Springs. One day in the pool, a guy I was conversing with takes spontaneous liberty to grope my ass (as in, feeling around to stick his finger in) and grabbing my penis. I managed to drift aside with my virtue in tact This week, I’m at Island House in Key West. Last night my friend and I were having a drink at a bar on Duval. Two other guests from IH walked in, saw us, and came over to talk. Polite conversation ensued until, out of the blue, one of them takes unsolicited liberty to start rubbing my leg beneath my shorts. As I pushed his hand away, he came back at me HIGHER up! So we left in neither case did I send off any indication of interest except polite conversation Have gay men not gotten the memo that these kinds of unsolicited acts are tantamount to assault?

#1. I definately know of providers who have discussed this with me #2. Someone would have to violate a confidence OR become a provided, right??

So I arrived at Island House in Key West. two weeks ago, hacienda in PS IH is the Motel 6 ( raw like Key West). Hacienda is the Four Seasons cost/night is similar

Not for legal purposes. But if you’re concerned about family and friends…it’s leverage. I hate to say it, but you’re walking a fine line between shutting him down completely and trying to keep a secret. Me too…but my position is that I don’t have to advertise anything about my personal life, I won’t lie, and I’m willing to let the cards fall where they may if some bad actor tries to stir things up. But I’m divorced, retired, and my family wouldn’t care. Despite that, I feel your pain and do not want to minimize the situation for you

Good question - I wish I could have gotten back all the gifts I gave my ex’s. Doesn’t work that way. I think this lawyer threat is a flailing tactic.

I don’t want to turn this into a discussion on ChatGPT, but it’s useful in the context of multiple opinions from multiple sources.

Nothing says “honest” like satan’s image on your belly, right?

I’ve probably done it 10 times this year and at least three times with 2-3 guys on the trip. It’s not hard. You just have to write down the details to keep up with them.

I still have half a bottle of 15 yr old Pappy that I’ve only used to toast the birth of my grandkids. Now that I have four, I’m hoping my daughter is done 😂

Of course it’s not! But is it? 😂😂

Well, the good news is that, if THIS is repetitively the topic of the “lead story” on the news, it’s been a pretty good day 😉 hmmm, maybe it’s time to plan a trip down under…

Genuinely nice guy.