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Can we please respect providers' privacy? Posting their birthdate and city of birth seems way too invasive to me. It sucks that those websites exist that seek to identify porn performers by their real name and other personal details like those that were posted above. I guarantee you that these individuals don't want those details out there. A lot of that info is extracted by using facial recognition software and people-search websites. It's not cool and I hope CoM can at least come to an agreement on respecting these details that should be private.

Nice guy. Totally straight vibes, if that matters.

The book even covers dildos! (If I remember correctly, it suggests keeping only your favorite one.)

As with all human endeavors, grace, empathy, and compassion are requisites for true connection. Lex has shown grace in his responses and frankly I would feel even better about hiring him based on his responses here. I can empathize with being in a situation without the capacity or ability to proactively follow up on engagements, even with access to my phone, as I have been in that situation myself recently for the first time ever. It happens and if it hasn't happened to you yet, it will. Privacy should be respected without demanding and judging all the granular details.

I'm curious about this from both a USA perspective and non-USA perspective. In the US it seems like Miami and NYC top the list. Any other honorable mentions? I'm in California. There are not many options in SF, and even LA seems to have fewer than would be expected. And what about internationally? Not necessarily asking just about competitive bodybuilders... just places where one might find the highest concentration of big muscle.

I think I misinterpreted Garik's ad. When he says "Available for outcalls in San Francisco" I took that to mean he doesn't do incalls. But posts here mention incalls. So maybe he's just saying he won't do outcalls outside of SF. I'd still like to meet up with him someday. Maybe I'll try scheduling an incall sometime. I'm wondering if the no response I got previously was due to an admittedly difficult outcall location (still in SF).

I've pondered this situation a lot. There aren't many good options. I imagine many providers are uninsured. Some may be lucky enough to have a partner whose employer plan they can hop on. Otherwise you're pretty much left to the individual market, and ACA subsidies are decreasing while premiums are also increasing for other reasons too. Wouldn't recommend the uninsured route... that might work until it doesn't, painfully, all of a sudden.

I especially like doing this after muscle worship. There's something about using my hands to worship his body followed by using my hands to get him off.

Anyone else enjoy this as a "main event"? Whether edging/milking a provider or mutual JO. Oftentimes that's all I really want but I don't see it discussed much here.

Depending on the answer (which I don't know), I would suggest this might be best answered over Private Message since this guy has a legit licensed business with its physical presence in a high-rent, persnickety city. Like the site says in this sub-forum:

Well, at least it's not just me 🫤. I never tried to schedule with him again after the no-response. Sorry you had to the same issue.

I've never really had concerns with hotel outcalls. It just seemed to me that hotel incalls (clients going to the provider's hotel) have the potential to invite more scrutiny from hotel staff/security.

This is something I've been curious about for a while. How do providers (particularly masseurs, who are seeing more clients than escorts) stay under the radar when taking clients at a hotel? Especially higher end ones with secure elevators and 24/7 security staff in the lobby? Say a provider is staying at a hotel for a week or two. Surely the staff will notice him meeting men in the lobby multiple times daily and they would figure out the score quickly. He would also be going through a lot of towels... Do hotels really not care? A masseur recently came through my area and I thought his choice of hotel was odd because he was staying in a swanky suite in an already expensive hotel. That would take a lot of massages to break even. And I thought that kind of volume would probably attract attention.

I've stuck with .eu because it seems to provide more profile information on a single page without having to keep clicking for more info.

I've wondered how much of this difference is biological and how much is cultural. Surely both are factors. I've heard that wealthy women in Japan have been known to hire male escorts, and that perhaps the service is focused more on providing intimacy than the act itself. But I don't know much about it. It's an interesting topic.

I knew a guy who charged well above market rate. He said he gets about 4 clients a month doing that and that's all he wanted. For some it's not necessarily about maximizing revenue. All the power to them. Decline and move on.

I put discount in quotes here because it's not really asking for discounts but having lower per hour rates for longer sessions as a matter of course.

Recently had a provider text me as part of a group chat where I could see the phone numbers of his former clients (and they could see mine, obviously). Another reminder why using my real number is off the table. He clearly had no sense of discretion even before that.

Thanks all, that's helpful.

Ha. Sounds like a clear cut case of 'block and move on' 🫣

I recently hired for a 4 hour session. Guy asked me how much I could offer and without thinking I just offered 4x his hourly rate. Afterward, I realized.... wait, that's more than people pay for an overnight... Thus this thread. Dude got what we agreed and I had a good time. But I'd like to be better informed for next time. Obviously, negotiation is not my strong suit. Lesson learned. And I realize now too that him asking me first was a red flag.

Say a provider's hourly rate is $400. Given that, what do you think a client can expect on average to pay for 2, 3, and 4 hour sessions? I know there's a lot of variability but I don't really have a good sense of what's typical in this case, so thanks for any input.

Side=Not into anal penetration. Not side hustling/sex work.

Yes! I've come to realize I actually enjoy it more than anal. I was recently with a guy where we both came this way. We were both oiled up and he was on top of me. As he was thrusting against my torso, the friction from his torso was stimulating me at the same time. I love this because it provides direct cock stimulation while maximizing skin to skin contact. I clasped my hands around him as he thrusted with enough power to rock the bed against the wall. That does so much more for me than getting my hole pounded. I don't really understand why this position isn't more popular among gay/bi men. It provides opportunity for an active and passive role, stimulates both cock simultaneously, and to me provides a higher level of intimacy. And no annoying anal prep. I feel like it should have a name more specific than frottage which seems like more of an umbrella term and also has an antiquated air to it. One downside with this position is that with shaved pubic hair in its 'prickly' phase the experience can be a bit scratchy.

@7829V deserves an award! This profile has always seemed sketchy to me.