Jason Dutch

Hi everybody, I am compiling lots of information about this topic ahead of a workshop I am co-facilitating with Maggie's precisely about this issue, it's on this coming Friday Nov 15 and there's so much legal and technical stuff we are pulling together, but real experiences can be more instructive as we try to to build out best practices for crossing the border...  at least knowing which ways it could go, and being prepared for various potential outcomes...
To that point! If anyone in this thread personally has experience trouble at the border as a result of working in the sex industry in any form, or if you can put me directly in touch with a person who has been through it, please send me a private message right away! Would be very helpful. Or if you're a provider interested in attending, likewise hit me up

One of my most memorably bookings was quite like this, actually. You'll have a blast! Just make sure to compensate admirably and set some shared ground rules before hitting the go button.

There are plenty of clients who enjoy thicker and beefier guys. I may have met a few, actually.... 😛 

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Hi everybody, I am compiling lots of information about this topic ahead of a workshop I am co-facilitating with Maggie's precisely about this issue, it's on this coming Friday Nov 15 and there's so much legal and technical stuff we are pulling together, but real experiences can be more instructive as we try to to build out best practices for crossing the border...  at least knowing which ways it could go, and being prepared for various potential outcomes...
To that point! If anyone in this thread personally has experience trouble at the border as a result of working in the sex industry in any form, or if you can put me directly in touch with a person who has been through it, please send me a private message right away! Would be very helpful. Or if you're a provider interested in attending, likewise hit me up

Hi everybody, I am compiling lots of information about this topic ahead of a workshop I am co-facilitating with Maggie's precisely about this issue, it's on this coming Friday Nov 15 and there's so much legal and technical stuff we are pulling together, but real experiences can be more instructive as we try to to build out best practices for crossing the border...  at least knowing which ways it could go, and being prepared for various potential outcomes...
To that point! If anyone in this thread personally has experience trouble at the border as a result of working in the sex industry in any form, or if you can put me directly in touch with a person who has been through it, please send me a private message right away! Would be very helpful. Or if you're a provider interested in attending, likewise hit me up

Hi everybody, I am compiling lots of information about this topic ahead of a workshop I am co-facilitating with Maggie's precisely about this issue, it's on this coming Friday Nov 15 and there's so much legal and technical stuff we are pulling together, but real experiences can be more instructive as we try to to build out best practices for crossing the border...  at least knowing which ways it could go, and being prepared for various potential outcomes...
To that point! If anyone in this thread personally has experience trouble at the border as a result of working in the sex industry in any form, or if you can put me directly in touch with a person who has been through it, please send me a private message right away! Would be very helpful. Or if you're a provider interested in attending, likewise hit me up

Hi everybody, I am compiling lots of information about this topic ahead of a workshop I am co-facilitating with Maggie's precisely about this issue, it's on this coming Friday Nov 15 and there's so much legal and technical stuff we are pulling together, but real experiences can be more instructive as we try to to build out best practices for crossing the border...  at least knowing which ways it could go, and being prepared for various potential outcomes...
To that point! If anyone in this thread personally has experience trouble at the border as a result of working in the sex industry in any form, or if you can put me directly in touch with a person who has been through it, please send me a private message right away! Would be very helpful. Or if you're a provider interested in attending, likewise hit me up

I never upsell. I think it’s bad practice to do so, especially during the massage. I think you agree the content and the rate beforehand and stick to it. Offering an upsell mid massage is taking advantage of someone when they probably aren’t able or willing to decline it. If someone asks for more services mid massage (and it’s something I’d usually charge extra for, such as to bottom) then I usually suggest they book that for next visit. 

Yeah I don't mind that they're separate since the clientele differs in a few ways, in most towns. I do wish there was a damn discount for having both, though... sheesh!

I maintained a profile there and checked in often fora  few months but traffic really never picked up for the M4M side of things 😕 I let my profile lapse. They also used to run Switter, the mastodon Twitter clone for SW but I think that folded.

The call to "expose" escorts sharing information is totally irresponsible and honestly pretty hypocritical given the forum that we're on. Please take a moment to consider what you're suggesting.
Mr Number is just one of several safety methods used by workers to protect themselves in the course of offering unique talents, experiences, pleasures and expertise. It's part of a centuries-old (at least) tradition of informal knowledge networks and bad date lists and meant to protect escorts. Things have changed in some places, and naturally, I acknowledge that clients take their share of risks as well when arranging to meet and meeting providers. But in most contexts, sex workers of any stripe take on much greater physical social, legal, personal and financial risks.
As someone above said, many (mannnyyyyyyyy) people messaging escorts never intend to meet or pay.  Every day, people text me out of the blue with expectations of rapid, extensive, unpaid sexting or phone sex, or worse. While most of the clients out there are genuinely good people trying to to do business, there are unfortunately a significant number of "clients" who are not... People who seek or choose to stalk, harass, rape, assault, doxx, scam, harm, and, in extreme cases, even kill sex workers. Not to mention, SW remains illegal in most places and police around the world still expend heinous quantities of cash in their efforts to entrap and charge sex workers.
Perhaps an example would help. I am based in Toronto. I was approached, by online message and text message, by Bruce MacArthur, whom most people will know was a sadistic serial killer preying on gay men in Toronto for at least a decade and who killed at least one sex worker and brutalized another with a metal pipe. If I had not cross checked his info with my peers at the time, I would not have known about the various red flags that had gone up in the community and would likely have met him. Similarly, somebody I once declined to meet after a cross-check later restrained and raped another provider who was not plugged into these info networks.
If someone can't see why tools like this are important, then I suggest they do some deep, deep thinking about their priorities and their capacity for empathy.
Of course, I'm not calling anyone on here a killer or a rapist. I love my clients and by and large I've found I can develop mutual trust with a guy independent of any lists or comment boards.  The information on sites CoM and MN is ultimately that — information. Escorts (and anyone with the app) can take that info and use it to make safer and better informed decisions — it's not as though you're cancelled forever because one person said you never booked, we all recognize that not every client is going to book. Tbh, I don't think I've ever seen a number that has negative comments from just one provider, and if I did, I would never write someone off based on one or two comments. What's most useful is seeing if there's a pattern of behaviour or red flags that we can take into consideration to protect ourselves.
Sorry for the novel, just was feeling aghast that anyone would think this is controversial or worth disparaging
 
 
 
 

I've used it recently. Though not every city has options... the program seems to have some brand identity issues to work out because it's variously called Work Anywhere, Day Pass and Day Use Rate, but check out https://workanywhere.marriott.com/  to see the options. Here's more about it as well: 
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The call to "expose" escorts sharing information is totally irresponsible and honestly pretty hypocritical given the forum that we're on. Please take a moment to consider what you're suggesting.
Mr Number is just one of several safety methods used by workers to protect themselves in the course of offering unique talents, experiences, pleasures and expertise. It's part of a centuries-old (at least) tradition of informal knowledge networks and bad date lists and meant to protect escorts. Things have changed in some places, and naturally, I acknowledge that clients take their share of risks as well when arranging to meet and meeting providers. But in most contexts, sex workers of any stripe take on much greater physical social, legal, personal and financial risks.
As someone above said, many (mannnyyyyyyyy) people messaging escorts never intend to meet or pay.  Every day, people text me out of the blue with expectations of rapid, extensive, unpaid sexting or phone sex, or worse. While most of the clients out there are genuinely good people trying to to do business, there are unfortunately a significant number of "clients" who are not... People who seek or choose to stalk, harass, rape, assault, doxx, scam, harm, and, in extreme cases, even kill sex workers. Not to mention, SW remains illegal in most places and police around the world still expend heinous quantities of cash in their efforts to entrap and charge sex workers.
Perhaps an example would help. I am based in Toronto. I was approached, by online message and text message, by Bruce MacArthur, whom most people will know was a sadistic serial killer preying on gay men in Toronto for at least a decade and who killed at least one sex worker and brutalized another with a metal pipe. If I had not cross checked his info with my peers at the time, I would not have known about the various red flags that had gone up in the community and would likely have met him. Similarly, somebody I once declined to meet after a cross-check later restrained and raped another provider who was not plugged into these info networks.
If someone can't see why tools like this are important, then I suggest they do some deep, deep thinking about their priorities and their capacity for empathy.
Of course, I'm not calling anyone on here a killer or a rapist. I love my clients and by and large I've found I can develop mutual trust with a guy independent of any lists or comment boards.  The information on sites CoM and MN is ultimately that — information. Escorts (and anyone with the app) can take that info and use it to make safer and better informed decisions — it's not as though you're cancelled forever because one person said you never booked, we all recognize that not every client is going to book. Tbh, I don't think I've ever seen a number that has negative comments from just one provider, and if I did, I would never write someone off based on one or two comments. What's most useful is seeing if there's a pattern of behaviour or red flags that we can take into consideration to protect ourselves.
Sorry for the novel, just was feeling aghast that anyone would think this is controversial or worth disparaging
 
 
 
 

Organizing a threesome/group for a client can be more of a hassle than one might think, at least in my experience. Sometimes it works out. But several times, I've done the work of wrangling another escort for a duo, or several for a group session, only to have the guy bail a few minutes after his scheduled arrival. That happened once without a deposit, I learned my lesson I thought.. not too long after, another guy ghosted three of us, even *after* paying the deposit I'd askled(which, after splitting it, wasn't quite enough to make up for the wasted time and energy).
Another time, a guy I'd never worked with before but who seemed legit was an hour late, causing me to basically waste an hour uncompensated. The client tipped a bit but a fraction of my rate.
It has always worked much more smoothly for me when the client himself arranges with whoever he wants to have there.
However, recently I did such an arrangement in a new city, smallish place. The other guy was younger, very new to the work and, in my assessment, more vulnerable than me in a number of ways. I gave him a ride home and during our conversation, I discovered that the rate he'd asked and been paid was quite low -  less than half my rate. I gave him some of the cash I'd gotten to even things out with him (at a loss to me) and told him that he really ought to be charging more. We ended up having a really good conversation and have stayed in touch. But that aside, I then had a few firm words with the client, who certainly could have spared the difference. I mean, I understand that as providers we each negotiate our rates independently in this set-up, leaving no incentive for the client to pay us both the same. But such a vast discrepancy made me really uneasy...

The call to "expose" escorts sharing information is totally irresponsible and honestly pretty hypocritical given the forum that we're on. Please take a moment to consider what you're suggesting.
Mr Number is just one of several safety methods used by workers to protect themselves in the course of offering unique talents, experiences, pleasures and expertise. It's part of a centuries-old (at least) tradition of informal knowledge networks and bad date lists and meant to protect escorts. Things have changed in some places, and naturally, I acknowledge that clients take their share of risks as well when arranging to meet and meeting providers. But in most contexts, sex workers of any stripe take on much greater physical social, legal, personal and financial risks.
As someone above said, many (mannnyyyyyyyy) people messaging escorts never intend to meet or pay.  Every day, people text me out of the blue with expectations of rapid, extensive, unpaid sexting or phone sex, or worse. While most of the clients out there are genuinely good people trying to to do business, there are unfortunately a significant number of "clients" who are not... People who seek or choose to stalk, harass, rape, assault, doxx, scam, harm, and, in extreme cases, even kill sex workers. Not to mention, SW remains illegal in most places and police around the world still expend heinous quantities of cash in their efforts to entrap and charge sex workers.
Perhaps an example would help. I am based in Toronto. I was approached, by online message and text message, by Bruce MacArthur, whom most people will know was a sadistic serial killer preying on gay men in Toronto for at least a decade and who killed at least one sex worker and brutalized another with a metal pipe. If I had not cross checked his info with my peers at the time, I would not have known about the various red flags that had gone up in the community and would likely have met him. Similarly, somebody I once declined to meet after a cross-check later restrained and raped another provider who was not plugged into these info networks.
If someone can't see why tools like this are important, then I suggest they do some deep, deep thinking about their priorities and their capacity for empathy.
Of course, I'm not calling anyone on here a killer or a rapist. I love my clients and by and large I've found I can develop mutual trust with a guy independent of any lists or comment boards.  The information on sites CoM and MN is ultimately that — information. Escorts (and anyone with the app) can take that info and use it to make safer and better informed decisions — it's not as though you're cancelled forever because one person said you never booked, we all recognize that not every client is going to book. Tbh, I don't think I've ever seen a number that has negative comments from just one provider, and if I did, I would never write someone off based on one or two comments. What's most useful is seeing if there's a pattern of behaviour or red flags that we can take into consideration to protect ourselves.
Sorry for the novel, just was feeling aghast that anyone would think this is controversial or worth disparaging
 
 
 
 

Organizing a threesome/group for a client can be more of a hassle than one might think, at least in my experience. Sometimes it works out. But several times, I've done the work of wrangling another escort for a duo, or several for a group session, only to have the guy bail a few minutes after his scheduled arrival. That happened once without a deposit, I learned my lesson I thought.. not too long after, another guy ghosted three of us, even *after* paying the deposit I'd askled(which, after splitting it, wasn't quite enough to make up for the wasted time and energy).
Another time, a guy I'd never worked with before but who seemed legit was an hour late, causing me to basically waste an hour uncompensated. The client tipped a bit but a fraction of my rate.
It has always worked much more smoothly for me when the client himself arranges with whoever he wants to have there.
However, recently I did such an arrangement in a new city, smallish place. The other guy was younger, very new to the work and, in my assessment, more vulnerable than me in a number of ways. I gave him a ride home and during our conversation, I discovered that the rate he'd asked and been paid was quite low -  less than half my rate. I gave him some of the cash I'd gotten to even things out with him (at a loss to me) and told him that he really ought to be charging more. We ended up having a really good conversation and have stayed in touch. But that aside, I then had a few firm words with the client, who certainly could have spared the difference. I mean, I understand that as providers we each negotiate our rates independently in this set-up, leaving no incentive for the client to pay us both the same. But such a vast discrepancy made me really uneasy...

Organizing a threesome/group for a client can be more of a hassle than one might think, at least in my experience. Sometimes it works out. But several times, I've done the work of wrangling another escort for a duo, or several for a group session, only to have the guy bail a few minutes after his scheduled arrival. That happened once without a deposit, I learned my lesson I thought.. not too long after, another guy ghosted three of us, even *after* paying the deposit I'd askled(which, after splitting it, wasn't quite enough to make up for the wasted time and energy).
Another time, a guy I'd never worked with before but who seemed legit was an hour late, causing me to basically waste an hour uncompensated. The client tipped a bit but a fraction of my rate.
It has always worked much more smoothly for me when the client himself arranges with whoever he wants to have there.
However, recently I did such an arrangement in a new city, smallish place. The other guy was younger, very new to the work and, in my assessment, more vulnerable than me in a number of ways. I gave him a ride home and during our conversation, I discovered that the rate he'd asked and been paid was quite low -  less than half my rate. I gave him some of the cash I'd gotten to even things out with him (at a loss to me) and told him that he really ought to be charging more. We ended up having a really good conversation and have stayed in touch. But that aside, I then had a few firm words with the client, who certainly could have spared the difference. I mean, I understand that as providers we each negotiate our rates independently in this set-up, leaving no incentive for the client to pay us both the same. But such a vast discrepancy made me really uneasy...

Is this so complicated that deserves a thread? Seriously?
I am new here, but I see so many simple questions. Guys stop overanalysing.

This was a headline/punchline that made the rounds in 2016 but one imagines there might be a kernel of truth to it. As curt mentions, DC is known for endless demand and I can vouch that Ottawa is the same. I confess I'm considering it... theoretically I'm kind of torn about the ethical side of things — surely it's a bit weird to knowingly accept what could very well be some ill-gotten bloody MAGA bucks.... But, then again, I'll gladly make a Republican staffer poorer for my sake. And to be fair I hardly ever know or feign to guess at the source of the dollars I receive from many other clienets, whose privacy I rightfully and necessarily must respect.
Tempting indeed... would be interesting just to test the premise anyhow

Your hatred of any queer person who isn't a muscle twink you want to screw is absolutely despicable. I've been going to Pride for over 30 years and have never seen lesbians start any violence. 
Men account for 86% of all assaults in the US, so it's unlikely that once a year, lesbians run amok. Of course, you hide behind an anonymous profile here 365 days a year while making racist, misogynistic and transphobic comments. So brave... 

In Canada we have LeoList which is essentially a Backpage clone and is widely popular.
Not the same format, but: Adam4Adam now has the option to upgrade one's profile to a PRO account, and it's pretty affordable. It's also free for non-PROs to use the site and message PROs so I find a lot of guys are on there who wouldn't purchase a membership to, say, RM. 
I've done and I've gotten many inquiries and appointments out of it, far more than I ever expected. The site as a whole is overly tricked out with every imaginable feature (video reels and stories, status updates, groups/parties, podcasts, underwear shops, winks, chats, comments, likes.. it's a bit much) but this feature is great. However, the "PRO" icon often goes unnoticed by people not expecting it and I'm not sure how easy it is to filter down just to providers.

I'd say both. Think of it just like if you went to a restaurant and the food was amazing. Your motive for leaving a review is to both benefit the business by helping it attract more customers and to benefit future customers by letting them know if they come spend money here that it'll be worth it.

Thanks. I haven't had occasion to use the function recently. The review in question was posted quite a while ago and, of course, they deleted it.
Will keep this in mind for next time, which hopefully never occurs.

You are able to, at least now, delete reviews you've written on your own. Go onto your dashboard and click on submitted reviews on the left hand menu and you can delete any reviews you've left. You can also change whether or not to have it visible on your own page as well.