jackcali

Yesterday, I was about to reach out to a traveling escort I was hoping to see today and found that he'd already changed cities, meaning he was in NYC for less than 48 hours. His travels are his travels and I'm sure he had his reasons for them, though I would think that NY is a GREAT market for traveling escorts. What I don't understand why so many escorts don't use the RM function to show travel plans. If I knew he was leaving yesterday or if I knew he was coming to NY before he got her), I might have accelerated my plans to see him. RM should give their escorts an online class about how to market themselves and manage their business. Not everyone is a natural.

Bumping because he's now visiting NYC. Any new info? Thanks.

THIS! Basically, every five-star rating system has been compressed to "five stars" or "shit". When I was still working and managing a large team of young professionals, any review less than "everything you did last year was spectacular" had the employee thinking they were going to be fired. If I intended to give some constructive criticism in a review, I brought a box of tissues with me into the conference room.

Thank you. You said it much better than I did.

Oh, my God. There may be an audience for what that website is selling, but I'm not part of it. It's so exploitative. I realize most porn is in one way or another, but I found the site very offputting.

I wouldn't obsess too much about what the escort thinks of your choice, though it should be reasonable. For a first-time meeting with an escort, I think the Spago treatment is completely out of line. After all, who knows if you'll like him (or him you). On the other hand, if it's a regular of years standing, a blowout dinner can be fun, but not because you're trying to impress the escort. Rather it's an acknowledgement of the depth of your relationship. For a more practical answer, when I host in a hotel, it's usually because I'm traveling on business, so I stay at relatively nice hotels. If I'm hiring specifically for the purpose, then any of the chain hotels are adequate. If I'm taking a new escort out to lunch or dinner, I wouldn't take him to a place I'd take a client but rather to a place I'd go with a co-worker or business friend, so someplace good but not pricey. That said, the best meal I ever had with an escort was takeout from In-N-Out Burger, mostly because it fueled an overnight of almost non-stop fucking. Oh, to be young(er) again!

Thank you for this story and the earlier one. It's enlightening to hear about your bad client interactions, which the passing of decades (and being out of the business) allows you to share. When I feel that I'm a boring or disappointing or ugly client, I take heart that I am very respectful and mannerly and don't insult or degrade escorts in any way. In fact, it astounds me that clients (other than fetishists) would. I'll hold my head a little higher the next time I see an escort.

Will you think less of me because I think that's hot?

I have NO knowledge of massage except as a recipient, but I imagine that a masseur has a routine for what's included in their therapeutic massage (or the therapeutic portion of their massage). After all, he does have a whole body to cover and doesn't want to miss an area. Of course, if you only care about the extras and not the massage, I can think of other solutions.

Thank you for your very kind words. I admit I may be exaggerating my ugliness. After all, I often handle newborn babies without them bursting into tears and I don't believe that clocks (back when those existed) ever stopped just because I looked at them. I have many admirable qualities, but being appealing to the eye has never been one of them, and that is something I knew well before I knew I was gay.

It's depressing to dwell on what goes on in an escort's head about our sessions. I'm fairly ugly, have always been, and now I'm old . . . and still fairly ugly. I assume that the escorts I meet agree with me on those points. As a result, I should be happy to be treated as another widget on the escort's assembly line as opposed to being treated as the old, ugly widget that I am. But what I really want, and what I most look for, is an escort who (if I don't think about it too much) can make me feel NOT like a widget or at least feel like a favorite or interesting widget. I know he's there only for the money, but having met clients in my line of work only for the money, I still had clients I enjoyed working with apart from the money I earned. If I get that from an escort, I'm a happy man.

Thanks, PA, for all the economic analysis on this thread, but I'm reminded of the economists' joke that the stock market has correctly predicted eleven of the last five recessions.

I'm sure that is right and is especially true in places like NYC (where I am), where the finance industry drives the economy.

I give pretty accurate stats in my RM profile and tell the provider that in the first communication. I am rarely asked for a pic, but when I am, I refuse. If I'm really, really, um, eager to see the provider, I might offer to meet him first on the street on the assumption that either of us can bail if he doesn't like what he sees. I've never had an RM escort ask for that. Pre-meetings are my standard procedure with guys from SA. They are generally looking for a longer-term arrangement (as am I) so personality is as much of a factor as looks, so a short meet over coffee lets us check out the other person and talk about what our arrangement will look like. It's a great icebreaker and has worked well for me over the years.

I hired him as an escort and was disappointed. DM for details.

I have a story about that, slightly off topic. A provider who I met in NY a few times moved to LA when I was traveling there regularly for work. The next time I was in LA, I met him at my hotel for an extended session. I had an amazing time, better even than our NY sessions, which I thought were pretty great. I paid his rate, gave him a very generous tip and decided I would try to see him two or three times on that trip and on all my future trips to LA. Ten minutes later I got a call from the hotel bellman saying a guy in the garage was trying to charge his parking to my room. I told the bellman I didn't know who it was. I guess the parking was expensive, but only a small fraction of the tip I gave him, and I felt so betrayed by the grift that I never saw him again. 😪

Thanks for this info. I am usually looking for daytimes, but the next time I need an evening spot, I'll check out midtown west/Chelsea. And good advice for everyone to watch out for the "resort fees" that hotels charge but that aren't quoted with the room price.

Not necessarily. My successful finds on Seeking have been equivalent to a relationship with a regular escort. We'd meet more or less weekly and spend a couple of hours together. However, the guys I targeted were managing to get along with their salaries but were looking for some extra spending money. I avoided guys who seemed desperate for money and those who thought I was going to marry or adopt them, but there were still plenty who were interested. Did the guys I meet have similar arrangements with other older guys? I didn't know and I didn't care. @Markmark's advice is good. Write them, tell them vaguely what you're looking for, see if they respond and take the conversation from there.

My experience with Dayuse is that the hotels will offer one or more four- or six-hour blocks on the given day, but they're all during the daytime. I don't think I've seen an offered time period that ends after 6pm, so plan for afternoon (or morning) delight. To get two or three hours in the evening, I think you'll have to book the room for the night.

I'm guessing he means 250 plus 100 for the number of hours you want, meaning one hour is 350, two hours is 450, etc. As it turns out, I've me this provider in a social situation. He was very likeable -- clever, funny and warm-hearted. Quite handsome, too.

This isn't really relevant to this discussion, but I am not sure where else to put this. Has there been a change in how threads that have or haven't been read are indicated? In the past, the titles of threads that I've read were not in bold and easily distinguished from titles of threads I haven't. Now they just seem less bold and, for my failing eyes at least, it's much harder to distinguish between the two. Thanks for reading.

I think they know but pretend they don't. The value of the experience for me is indulging in the fiction (and I know it's a fiction) that if I'm not the only client I'm at least a special and treasured client. The more I think about other clients, the harder it is to indulge in that fiction. When a provider tells me he can see me between 4 and 6pm because he has clients before and after then or when a provider says he can't cum in our session because he has three more clients that day, the fantasy is broken and I lose all interest in hiring him.

I agree. It's not like the escort is running a competition or setting a challenge for potential clients. If you do get through to him, I doubt an enthusiastic "Congratulations! You win the golden ticket!" is going to be the escort's reaction.

I also used to find good providers on Seeking. If you weed out the delusional ones who think you're going to support them indefinitely and the scammers, a lot of the guys are looking for something without really knowing what that something is. A guy who'll exchange money for occasional companionship (which may be at dinner, the theater or a club, and may involve sex) may not be what they dreamed of finding on that platform but it's a practical solution for a young man who could use some extra income.

I found my current regular on this site two years ago. He mentioned in his posts that he had previously worked as an escort and gave enough personal information to intrigue me. I wrote him asking for more details and if he would be interested in an arrangement. We exchanged some texts and put it together from there. I couldn't be happier. I realize my finding him was totally serendipitous and have no idea how to find "amateurs" (or retired professionals) in a methodical way.