SouthOfTheBorder

a reluctant bottom is a bad bottom - every single time.  desire is the necessary ingredient 

so, one of the most famous women in the world suddenly goes missing & hasn’t been seen for almost 5 months - and, the typically invasive British media seems completely uninterested for whatever reason 
the official story is she was in hospital for a “planned abdominal surgery”, yet none of the usual public well-wishes by other royals on social media or visits to the hospital.  and, the children haven’t been seen either 
speculation that she’s dead, in a coma or there is a pending divorce are among the rumors.  
meanwhile, Camilla appears publicly with Williams rumoured mistress.  Keep in mind nothing those people do is by accident & everything has meaning 

I’m really happy to be early 60s.  
I think men of our generation got to experience so much.  It was fun when gay bars/clubs used to be more subversive & underground.  We appreciate the freedoms we have now because we know what it was like before. We appreciate our good health because we saw so many whose lives were cut short by AIDs/HIV epidemic.  
And most of all - we knew how to socialize in real life without the constant distractions of phones & toxic social media.  It was a time when having a friend really meant something - not the hundreds of “friends” people have on FB.
When I find myself in environments with much younger people, I often wonder if I’d like to be 30ish again - the answer is NO. 

I think you’re giving the online petition more credit than it deserves. 

lol - thought that sounded familiar 
 
 

I’m really happy to be early 60s.  
I think men of our generation got to experience so much.  It was fun when gay bars/clubs used to be more subversive & underground.  We appreciate the freedoms we have now because we know what it was like before. We appreciate our good health because we saw so many whose lives were cut short by AIDs/HIV epidemic.  
And most of all - we knew how to socialize in real life without the constant distractions of phones & toxic social media.  It was a time when having a friend really meant something - not the hundreds of “friends” people have on FB.
When I find myself in environments with much younger people, I often wonder if I’d like to be 30ish again - the answer is NO. 

I’m really happy to be early 60s.  
I think men of our generation got to experience so much.  It was fun when gay bars/clubs used to be more subversive & underground.  We appreciate the freedoms we have now because we know what it was like before. We appreciate our good health because we saw so many whose lives were cut short by AIDs/HIV epidemic.  
And most of all - we knew how to socialize in real life without the constant distractions of phones & toxic social media.  It was a time when having a friend really meant something - not the hundreds of “friends” people have on FB.
When I find myself in environments with much younger people, I often wonder if I’d like to be 30ish again - the answer is NO. 

I’m really happy to be early 60s.  
I think men of our generation got to experience so much.  It was fun when gay bars/clubs used to be more subversive & underground.  We appreciate the freedoms we have now because we know what it was like before. We appreciate our good health because we saw so many whose lives were cut short by AIDs/HIV epidemic.  
And most of all - we knew how to socialize in real life without the constant distractions of phones & toxic social media.  It was a time when having a friend really meant something - not the hundreds of “friends” people have on FB.
When I find myself in environments with much younger people, I often wonder if I’d like to be 30ish again - the answer is NO. 

go on RM and filter by age - there are huge drops in 40+ and even more drop at 50+ and very few at 60+. out of the hundreds of providers on RM - there are 30 guys 60yrs and over….a relatively small percentage.   if there was a preference for older, then there would be more older. 
seems like this conversation is confusing preferences for hiring vs other preferences- big difference 
btw - the ageism experienced in the US does not happen in the same way in other places. In Latin America & Europe, older gay men are much more visible & mix more frequently in bars/clubs without disapproval or stigma. It seems to be the worst in the US, followed by other English speaking countries - UK, Canada & Australia.  I think it has something to do with other cultures more general respect for elders. 

go spend two hours at Johnson’s Ft Lauderdale and observe -  almost all the “older” guys are drinking - and not just a little.  Then walk through Wilton Manors and observe the thirty+ bars all packed & everybody drinking.  It’s noticeable.  
there may be some regional differences in alcohol consumption among certain groups - in S Florida, the culture is drinking. 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

go on RM and filter by age - there are huge drops in 40+ and even more drop at 50+ and very few at 60+. out of the hundreds of providers on RM - there are 30 guys 60yrs and over….a relatively small percentage.   if there was a preference for older, then there would be more older. 
seems like this conversation is confusing preferences for hiring vs other preferences- big difference 
btw - the ageism experienced in the US does not happen in the same way in other places. In Latin America & Europe, older gay men are much more visible & mix more frequently in bars/clubs without disapproval or stigma. It seems to be the worst in the US, followed by other English speaking countries - UK, Canada & Australia.  I think it has something to do with other cultures more general respect for elders. 

go on RM and filter by age - there are huge drops in 40+ and even more drop at 50+ and very few at 60+. out of the hundreds of providers on RM - there are 30 guys 60yrs and over….a relatively small percentage.   if there was a preference for older, then there would be more older. 
seems like this conversation is confusing preferences for hiring vs other preferences- big difference 
btw - the ageism experienced in the US does not happen in the same way in other places. In Latin America & Europe, older gay men are much more visible & mix more frequently in bars/clubs without disapproval or stigma. It seems to be the worst in the US, followed by other English speaking countries - UK, Canada & Australia.  I think it has something to do with other cultures more general respect for elders. 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

In Ft Lauderdale, they don’t require women to be accompanied by men - there is no chance the Ft L location would be overrun by women at any time due to the loyal local gay clientele & gay tourists. 
Tampa & Chicago would be totally different in terms of client demographics & women could overwhelm those clubs without a policy.  And then it would be something else entirely.
the owner is trying to duplicate the success of Ft L - but the unique factors that make it successful just don’t exist anywhere else.  Plus, the available talent pool of dancers in Miami/Ft Lauderdale with constant new arrivals is unique there too. 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

I think it’s strange that some commentators view bi as being ‘not really into guys’ or somehow ‘gay lite’. I’m bi and I love playing with guys, including kissing and all sorts of activities (I’m vers) that some seem to think of as gay only. I also love playing with females, indeed even better is playing with both at same time. I don’t regard one as better or more fun than the other, they’re just different. If the person or persons I’m with are relaxed about sex and open minded then it’s always a great session. 
I agree that if you come across a guy who describes himself as bi but who lists fairly vanilla activities with guys that he won’t do then that’s probably a signal that he is probably more straight but there’s also gay providers who won’t kiss for example, so orientation is not a good predictor I think.
I think it’s best to not put too much interpretation on how a guy describes himself and look more at what he will do and other signs about whether he’s doing the work because he genuinely enjoys it or is he doing it because he has to. The former should be the providers you prioritise, regardless of their stated sexual orientation. 

 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

disagree & who cares ?  
I get turned on by guys who have sex for money. I think most are into it for whatever reason.  For those that may not be into it - doesn’t matter if they deliver.
recently had a straight guy who had to watch straight porn in a session: super turn-on for me & I loved it.  his performance was exceptional & he wanted to keep going when I was ready to stop. 
worrying about whether or not someone is “into-it” defeats the entire point. it’s a financial transaction for a service. making it more is a sure way to disappointment 

some Thermas tips 
1. go early - before it gets crowded.  Thermas is big and spread across 3 floors - it can be disorienting to arrive when filed with providers & clients. Plus - it’s competitive & the locals/regulars will always go for their favorites who are usually the most in-demand. Arriving when it’s crowded puts you at a disadvantage. I like to arrive at opening about 3p and watch as providers/ clients arrive. 
2. get familiar with the layout - because it is confusing.  I’d recommend a complete walk-through of the entire place at least once to take note of spa facilities & bar (first floor), all showers (first & second floors).  And the one private bathroom on first floor with a douche - the key to that bathroom is at reception and depending on the attendant, they may require you buy an attachment or if you have your own, then a tip to get the key.  Return the key asap as there may be others waiting.
3. there will always be guys hanging around the reception area & watching the clients locker room.  the game is to snag clients in that area & before they can see the other providers.  don’t fall for it.
4. like anywhere else - be cautious if anyone offers you anything to ingest. last time I was there, a provider offered candy between sessions - upon inspection it was potent edible marijuana. there are a couple guys there routinely selling things - I’d avoid them & whatever they have.  they are obvious & likely will make an approach at some point. 
5. the free cabins are fine for 30 minutes & the staff cleans continuously- but that doesn’t mean you’ll always get a fresh cabin.  If you want to make sure it’s clean - then private rooms. Again - getting there early ensures access to private rooms - when it’s crowded you may wait and sometimes they don’t open up at all. 
6. you dont need ID to get in - leave passports & valuables in your hotel safe.  I carry a set amount of cash, one credit card & phone.  I don’t leave those items in the locker - I carry them with me in a small pack at all times.  you need cash for the guys - everything else can be on credit card.
7. bring your own condoms & lube.  the condoms provided are the most basic & the lube is almost nonexistent.  the guys appreciate good quality condoms & it makes a big difference.  I like to bring my own antibacterial soap along too - just to be extra careful between sessions.  availability of soap in the showers is not a sure thing.
8. if smoking bothers you - avoid the area on the second floor where smokers congregate.  for people who smoke, it’s ideal place to engage the guys in a more relaxed environment.
9. don’t be afraid to say no.  you will be approached many times by guys who may not be your type.  there’s not pressure per se, but they are direct and don’t want to waste time.  they are used to no & it’s just part of the environment.  polite & firm gets the message across.  

10. you will pay for everything at the end & check your final bill carefully.  if buying drinks for providers, make sure you are clear at that time what you’re offering. an offer for a drink can easily turn into a full meal - and that’s fine if that is what you’re offering.  if spending a few hours there, the charges can add up quickly. 
11. don’t be afraid to tell the provider exactly what you want - they’re professionals and have seen it all, several times.  no reason to be embarrassed.  If there is a language barrier - use google translate or show them a video of the type of scene you want. a video is easiest way to get the clear message across & I’ve seen several clients do it.

 
 
 

disagree & who cares ?  
I get turned on by guys who have sex for money. I think most are into it for whatever reason.  For those that may not be into it - doesn’t matter if they deliver.
recently had a straight guy who had to watch straight porn in a session: super turn-on for me & I loved it.  his performance was exceptional & he wanted to keep going when I was ready to stop. 
worrying about whether or not someone is “into-it” defeats the entire point. it’s a financial transaction for a service. making it more is a sure way to disappointment 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

for many gay men of a certain age - we were never supposed to live long enough to worry about “looking like an old queer”
aging is a blessing, not a curse 
perspective 

No, just a worn out pansy.