Simon Suraci

I finish my massages with a hug and it is the one thing he needs to keep going. When his marriage turns sour, when a parent passes, and when he loses his job or his children lash out, he comes. He comes other times as well, but always when he's at his lowest. I give him a hug and sometimes he cries, sometimes uncontrollably. He says that he tries so hard and I say nothing back. I hold onto him as long as he needs someone to hold on to and when the tears have stopped, I let him go. I wipe him down with warm towels, he thanks me and he goes his way. 
The first time he said "I love you" I said "you're welcome". He wanted to express his thanks using stronger words and I gave my response to his gratitude. 
He says I love you every time afterwards and he's been saying it for for years. Recently he moved to a different coast. He has a fulfilling new position and a new house in suburbs of an exciting new city. He also has a great relationship with his children.
Whenever he visits, he comes and he's full of smiles but even still he sometimes cries, and sometimes uncontrollably. And he says I love you.
It's still just a thank you 
(Yes, this is a true story)

Very hot experience, thanks for sharing and making us horny, @uclablueyes 👏👏👏 A word of caution, though: you say that you took Viagra and used poppers. Be very careful in the future, because that combination can be fatal according to everything I’ve read. Cheers!

Thanks much @Simon Suraci. He responded over RM, he was so nice and I am looking forward to his next visit soon  

Selfies taken in the bathroom mirror with the phone clearly visible are pretty standard and boring.  Professional photos that look natural and inviting might make you stand out.  

Thanks Simon. Maybe you should let Jacob know that this is what I (and maybe others) are seeing on RM (see attached). I clicked on the link you sent as well and same thing (I am logged in btw). Maybe it's some setting that's off but he is not showing up in San Diego searches or when going straight to the link, it's showing as expired. I will reach out to him on RM Messenger, thanks for the tip, I appreciate it. 

Don’t put me in the chopping block for it. My block list is likely on the single digit number. It was mostly for people that had no clear intentions of meeting up.
Either way, I was giving them a different perspective on what we see on the site and why they might act the way they did. 
Most of the time, I was being proactive to people that request my private album or that have checked my profile several times and are in the area. You can either sit there or make a move to try and break the ice. I choose the later. I can’t read your mind if you find that to be invasive, and Im sorry if it made you feel that way.
As for the others that might do it more often than not. They could be annoyed by the message notifications from rent masseur site for each time someone views their profile. (I don’t think you can disable that). Some might not like it when you request their private album that leads to nothing. 
I could sit here for a while and try to un puzzle each ones way of thinking and behaving. While not coming to any relative conclusion. At some point, I even got blocked by an actual client after meeting up to then have them reach out to me again for another meeting from a different number. People have their own shenanigans going on in their heads. This one? Perhaps didn’t want to have anything connected to me afterwards. Who tf knows.
Whether OP or whoever got blocked, thats too bad. Move on and try to find someone else that fits you. Try to understand their perspective, see if you could have been offensive in any way and learn from it.
Conclusion, I would rather have someone reach out with clear expectation and communication. If you can’t meet now but want to in the future. Its fine, just say it. You are far and want to know when Im going to travel to your city? Ask. Want to know what Im into? Ask. 

Thanks for that story @Simon Suraci. Wow, even more drama than I had! I don't know what the problem is, but I no longer care. Did what I could, probably spent more cycles on it than I needed to but it's clear that nothing I could do or say would get him to let it go. So I'm done and I'm fine with that. 

Yup. Wished him well. Blocked him everywhere.

Yes. 
But this is like comparing apples to oranges, because I have sex with my accountant for free 🥳 

If my client has initiated the ‘companionship’ session then it’s my normal rate. These sessions can sometimes have scope creep. It starts as ‘let’s have dinner and watch a film, what’s your rate?’ but during the film he suggests ‘come to my room for drinks’ and then it ends up with something more and it’s awkward to decline or to upsell in the moment. Also of course my time is my time and I could be seeing another client at full rate so why would I charge a lot less to the ‘companionship’ client for the same time? So it’s the normal rate, perhaps slightly discounted because these sessions usually last a bit longer. 
However if the time with the client was initiated by me, as in say after the paid session I like his company and I say ‘let’s go for a drink’ or he invites me out and I like him and want to go then it’s no charge because I’ve crossed the line from professional relationship to social relationship. Once that line is crossed though he’s never a paying client again. You can’t dip in and out. 
 

@SecretProvider, I read Elite_XL's comment differently, but as I said in my earlier post I wasn't sure if that was how he intended it. I read it as saying that he had gained the impression that being relatively free was the general view of others, not that he had previously thought it was the case. Rather, that he was now unsure. As others have opined, it is not the general view, although some clients believe it should be.

As a client, I always expect to pay the provider’s asked rate, whether we are going out to dinner or just cuddling or fucking. I cover all expenses for the time also. 
 
As a consultant, I charge by the hour, no matter if I’m just sitting in a meeting or building an app. I’m getting paid for my time and my expertise. I see no difference between my situation and providers. 
 
 

I’m not sure that’s a valid conclusion. Some of us do a lot of web surfing in anticipation of an upcoming trip but plans change. Some (not me) feel contact from providers is intrusive and don’t respond until they’re ready to set up a date. Or they might have a number of other reasons to visit your profile. I don’t see the harm in letting them have access. They must see something they like. Blocking them might ultimately result in a missed opportunity. 

I sometimes check to see the profiles that visited me, if it has been multiple times, I will reach out to them. If I dont get an answer back, I will either block or ignore it as they are not serious probably.

"Blocked but dont really care", yet you cared enough to create a forum for this? Hmmmm 
 
 
 

Great point. Reputable businesses LOVE when their customers talk to other people about their service. Scammers hate it.  That's about all you need to know. 

I’ve never blocked anyone on any platform. It just feels kind of dramatic when I have the option to not engage. If I see someone has viewed my profile dozens of times I may think “that’s a bit obsessive”, but it doesn’t bother me. That said, I have a much higher threshold for tolerating bullshit than the average person. As far as Client A talking to Client B… good! I know the type of experience I provide consistently, and I want people talking—tell everybody!

I got your answer,  just not your logic. I'd like to hear other provider opinions as well, since it seems pretty much everything clients do upsets you from what I've read.

I have two regular traveling therapists that I dearly love and trust and asked them what the blocking thing is all about.  They both told me that they do not block people.  But on RentMassuer when a potential client just even looks at a profile, it shows up as an email. So they have to scroll thru the "lookyloos" to answer people that have actual questions.  But both of these guys have been pros for so long, they just swat it away and don't pay much attention to it.  
On the flip side, I will look at profiles of guys I might be interested in and get an auto response.  Often I cannot tell if it's a legit "hello" or if it's a "here's my auto response, contact me by text if you want to know more" It's awkward, so I just don't respond. In the age of AI, I want a connection that I know is real. 
From what my regular massage guys say,  they don't reach out to clients that look at their profiles.  If someone contacts them with a specific question, they will respond and often are booked in a more organic manner.  
When AI Robots start massaging us, I will have to tap out.  I turned 70 in July.  Hopefully, I'll have "gone on to glory" if this is where the world is at.  I pray we are decades away from erotic robots doing massage.  One malfunction and your johnson could become a mangled cheeto.  Yikes!

If they looked at the menu online, the restaurant  wouldn't be bothered in the least, and they might be pleased that they enjoyed it enough that they may return.
Especially if it was someone too far away to visit regularly, but would if they came back to town.

Seems like he has a fragile ego. You paid his rate, were a regular good client. What does he expect? You to be faithful? Be grateful? It seems strange behaviour if he’s an experienced provider.
We all know that clients shop around and see other guys. I talk with at least half a dozen other masseurs and I know that clients who come to me also go to them. I have a good idea what those guys charge too because I’m friends with them. None of us mind that clients shop around. It’s really not a competitive industry, it’s actually very cooperative. I’ll warn them about difficult clients and they do same for me. I’ll also refer clients if I’m busy, and they refer to me.
I think your guy may have got the wrong impression of your ‘relationship’. You might be best to gently remind him that you’re his customer and that he is free to decide what the rate is and you are free to decide whether to buy. If he doesn’t understand that it’s probably best to avoid him because he seems a bit high maintenance. 

I feel very lucky to have found a few providers who I feel very comfortable with and with each visit the sessions become more enjoyable.  I rarely seek new providers. Find a few you connect well with and visit them often.

I have found that if you read enough provider profiles you will notice patterns of who is gonna be good and who you should avoid.  Not a flawless method but has worked well for me.  Same with reviews on the platforms and here.
I hire locally and where I travel for work and a lot of good points have been made in this thread.  Be a good client and providers will treat you like gold.  
A good client doesnt waste time, is kind and respectful, does repeat business and is always clean when a meet happens.
I have said many times here that I am an average guy, late 50s and a little overweight.
I have had some fantastic, passionate times with guys I know are way out of my league and I just soak it in and enjoy.  I have also developed friendships with a few of guys.  Follow these rules, dont overthink it and enjoy!
 

Good question! I can only speak for myself of course, but there are a few answers here. The first thing is I genuinely love meeting new people as well as sex and physical connection; that’s what drew me to the work in the first place. It’s a great learning experience to be meeting guys of many different backgrounds and lifestyles rather than just living in the bubble in which I might otherwise find myself. In terms of initiating contact, it helps that I’m an empath and within a few minutes can generally discern the type of person he is inside. Everyone in this world has beautiful and interesting parts to his character, so I look for that and connect with it. Most people despite their flaws are good people who mean well and are trying their best. We’re never the villains in our own stories. Once I figure out the lense through which someone views the world, I can understand his behavior, even when we’re very different people. I also think about the fact he likely works really hard for the money he’s spending and how everyone deserves to feel seen, understood, and appreciated—especially those of who reach out to me. They deserve connection and compassion much more than the rest of you who have not, obviously. In terms of physical performance, just the act of being tuned in to someone mentally usually gets me aroused, but of course there are a variety of pharmacologic tools from pills to injectables as fall backs. During the encounter, I can say that it’s very easy to enjoy myself with clients. Hooking up from some dating app can have me deep in my head and focused on my insecurities and what the other guy is thinking, etc, which can make it hard to relax and be present; however, when I’m with a client, there’s something very validating and liberating in the knowledge that he finds value in my company and selected me from a catalog of gorgeous men, and that sense of being chosen usually makes me feel even more connected and appreciative of what we’re able to provide each other. I don’t mean financial or physical but the mutual feeling of acceptance and validation.
I can’t think of times I’ve actually been appalled by a client except for when related to certain behaviors. For example very early on when I started, I had a client ask for a lower rate to simply use some toys on me with no sex, which seemed reasonable at the time; however, without kissing or foreplay he began penetrating me with a dildo in such a rough and dispassionate way, I eventually told him I was uncomfortable, and he didn’t have to pay me anything if we could please stop. He replied “you know we have the ability to rate you on RentMen, right?” I let the session continue to preserve my five-star rating, but that was the moment I stopped considering discounts or other variables and basing the rate strictly on my time. Aside from threatening comments like that or refusal to pay agreed rates after a long session, it would be hard for me to find a client appalling, especially based solely on appearance. We’re all much more similar than we are different.
Anyway, this is only my experience, but hopefully it gives some insight into how we try to quickly connect with a new client and still create a meaningful encounter.

Try not to worry about these things. They’re not your problem. As others have said, focus on being a good client when you hire. That will endear you to him and as long as you hire the right guy you’ll have a great experience. 
However, if you really want answers here’s mine, from a provider’s perspective.
Performing?: Don’t assume that attraction has to be physical (this is linked to the ‘be a good client request’). Attraction can be to any personal attribute or even to a situation. One can tell oneself a story or go to a past situation in one’s memory. Of course it doesn’t always work. Every provider has experienced times when they couldn’t perform. That’s normal and usually nothing to do with the client. Remember that: nothing to do with the client. 

Love the job?: Yes, it’s not an easy job to do for any length of time if you don’t love it. So hire experienced guys not newbies. They love meeting good clients. Note the ‘good’ clients bit. 
Vet clients?: Yes, but subtly, via pricing and availability. I don’t ask for pics but a potential client starting their message with ‘hey’, sending an ‘available now?’ message at any time or especially after 10pm at night, sending a cock pic, asking for a discount or generally behaving sketchily will never get booked regardless of what he looks like or promises. So in that sense all the assholes are vetted out. This again links to the ‘be a good client’ point. 
So like I said, don’t worry about the provider’s job in the transaction, focus on yours and it will be fine.