Simon Suraci

Glad you’re back.  Thanks for your hard work in keeping this valuable forum alive!

Greetings folks...
As you might have noticed, this site has been offline since around mid-day Tuesday.   Our prior hosting provider decided that they are unable to continue hosting our website and had ended service to us.  Unfortunately they did not provide any notification to me about this decision and I was forced to move the site to a new server without any sort of heads up.  This includes arranging for the new hosting company, configuring the new server to meet the technical requirements, getting a copy of our current data, restoring that data (over 300GB of files), recovering the database (over 18.5 million records in that database taking up 11GB of space for the DB alone), and reconfiguring the software itself to run in the new environment.  
While migrating there was also some technical issues that I ran into that required me to coordinate with Invision's technical support team.  So that back and forth added additional time to the mix as well.  
And to pile on further… all of this occurred while I'm traveling for my day job. So I've been doing this while in a hotel in between doing my day job on the road.  
There are most likely several other things that will need to be fixed still and I'm working through them.  For example, email may only be partially working.  I still need to setup things like SPF and DKIM for the new server so our emails don't flag as spam.  There are other settings that might need to be redone to work in the new server as well that I'm not thinking about yet.  (As you might have imagined, I've not had much sleep during this whole process.)
But anyway... you get the idea.  No... we're not going anywhere!  This was a minor setback but we'll continue to move forward.  Thank you all for your understanding and support!
Rob

Please note this article discusses sex trafficking. Law enforcement is interested in stopping sex traffickers, as they should. In-person sex work services may be illegal, but not immoral. Nobody is getting hurt. Sex trafficking is both illegal and immoral. The real problem here: vulnerable people being taken advantage of, controlled, or compelled to work for the enrichment of the people trafficking them. That’s what we really want to stop. Not consenting adults engaging in commercial activity.
Most providers discussed on these forums work for themselves. They are not trafficking others nor being trafficked themselves. Accounts of sting operations in the M4M commercial sex space are quite rare. I can recall only a few anecdotes discussed on these forums to date. If we hear about these stories anywhere, it would be here.

Ask for what you want.
That’s the best way.

You might try searching the Spas and Masseurs section using keyword SF and/or San Francisco. I’ve heard many good providers are located in SF. Your search would turn up many results for you to read through and help you develop a shortlist. Do some research and then share your shortlist with links to the masseur ads and ask for members’ input on the options.
A separate thread with a title specifying the area you are looking in SF would get the right people to view it. Asking the whole country and beyond to give you personalized recommendations to your local area is probably not going to yield the targeted info you seek.
As to your more general topic of masseurs who offer equally skilled therapy, extras and sexual favors, many providers across the country would fit the bill. To your point, it is difficult to find masseurs that provide the whole shebang with equal skill - at any price point.
You may want to clarify what your expectations are regarding pricing. So many clients here want or expect a high level of sex work services with a skilled therapeutic massage, but for massage pricing. Quite a few providers fit the bill, but they tend to charge equitable rates in line with going sex work rates for their services. You will hear stories on here bragging about how clients got sex work services for massage prices, but this isn’t the norm.
Expect to pay equitable rates for sex work, especially for a quality provider delivering a high level of skill on both fronts, precisely because they are so valuable, desirable, and good at what they do.
If you expand this topic to cover outside your local area, I bet you would get some more responses from clients discussing their favorites in their local areas and frequent travel destinations.

Ask for what you want.
That’s the best way.

Wow. I have… no words.
Actually, just one: sorry.
Reading this felt like a horror movie. 
I’m the extreme opposite. I am legitimately OCD about hygiene. Think Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets. I’m so thoroughly scrubbed you wouldn’t find a fingerprint on me, including my own. Even my fingernails are manicured specifically so I don’t accidentally exfoliate someone’s anal canal while fingering them.

RentMen must be getting ready for compliance in the case of legal rulings requiring them to act quickly in some or all jurisdictions in the US to avoid getting shut down. Maybe the “glitch” is a programming issue unintentionally turning the feature on / off.

I have enjoyed meeting with Grant many times. The technical aspect of his massage is my favorite in San Diego (Michael mentioned above is a close second). My experience in the sensual aspect of the encounter is pretty great. Feels comfortable and very interactive. He has a lot of enthusiasm and the connection, even if it’s manufactured based on circumstance, is pretty amazing. I go for massage but the end is reason why I leave fulfilled fully. I’m a regular and would recommend checking him out for a few massages. I mention a few because I think naturally it takes a bit of time so that the client can be comfortable in showing the masseur what gets one going. 

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following.
The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions!
Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. 
Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work.
I digress.
Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute.
Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following.
The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions!
Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. 
Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work.
I digress.
Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute.
Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

Ask for what you want.
That’s the best way.

Ask for what you want.
That’s the best way.

^Simon says:
Here is a link to a comment I made on a specific provider re: this very same topic.
 

You might try searching the Spas and Masseurs section using keyword SF and/or San Francisco. I’ve heard many good providers are located in SF. Your search would turn up many results for you to read through and help you develop a shortlist. Do some research and then share your shortlist with links to the masseur ads and ask for members’ input on the options.
A separate thread with a title specifying the area you are looking in SF would get the right people to view it. Asking the whole country and beyond to give you personalized recommendations to your local area is probably not going to yield the targeted info you seek.
As to your more general topic of masseurs who offer equally skilled therapy, extras and sexual favors, many providers across the country would fit the bill. To your point, it is difficult to find masseurs that provide the whole shebang with equal skill - at any price point.
You may want to clarify what your expectations are regarding pricing. So many clients here want or expect a high level of sex work services with a skilled therapeutic massage, but for massage pricing. Quite a few providers fit the bill, but they tend to charge equitable rates in line with going sex work rates for their services. You will hear stories on here bragging about how clients got sex work services for massage prices, but this isn’t the norm.
Expect to pay equitable rates for sex work, especially for a quality provider delivering a high level of skill on both fronts, precisely because they are so valuable, desirable, and good at what they do.
If you expand this topic to cover outside your local area, I bet you would get some more responses from clients discussing their favorites in their local areas and frequent travel destinations.

I saw Grant earlier in 2025. He’s excellent. Very knowledgeable, experienced, and quite skilled. His rates are reasonable, in line with therapeutic only offerings. Amazing value for the quality he delivers. I highly recommend him for therapeutic bodywork.
I got the sensual upgrade and personally it was not worth it to me. I said this about Michael and I will say the same applies to Grant. Some guys are exceptionally good at therapeutic, but very few are equally as good at sensual/erotic. YMMV.
I will return for therapeutic work.
Re: deposit policy.
Grant charges a $20 deposit. Clearly this is not a scam to rob deposit money as he has a stellar reputation and the low amount is about the principle of the thing, to help him weed out unserious, flaky people.
After refusing digital payment, I told him I would pay the deposit in cash, insisting on dropping by his place in Pt Loma to drop it off. He said anyone serious enough to make the trip just to drop off $20 was going to show up, so he waived the fee. I didn’t ask him to waive it; he offered, trusting my display of good faith. I really was going to drive there and do it.
As a masseur myself, I understand exactly why he requires a nominal deposit, so I respected his policy. I just figured you guys should know he has a deposit policy and want to encourage you to not be put off by it. He’s not a fly by night masseur looking to steal small amounts of your money. He’s a good guy trying to protect his time.
If the risk of $20 is really that much of loss for you, maybe hiring $120+/hr services is out of your price range anyway. I do not like or advocate for deposits generally, and do no charge them myself, but in cases like this, it’s obvious to me why he does it and that he is not going to cheat you.

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following.
The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions!
Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. 
Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work.
I digress.
Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute.
Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

Please note this article discusses sex trafficking. Law enforcement is interested in stopping sex traffickers, as they should. In-person sex work services may be illegal, but not immoral. Nobody is getting hurt. Sex trafficking is both illegal and immoral. The real problem here: vulnerable people being taken advantage of, controlled, or compelled to work for the enrichment of the people trafficking them. That’s what we really want to stop. Not consenting adults engaging in commercial activity.
Most providers discussed on these forums work for themselves. They are not trafficking others nor being trafficked themselves. Accounts of sting operations in the M4M commercial sex space are quite rare. I can recall only a few anecdotes discussed on these forums to date. If we hear about these stories anywhere, it would be here.

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following.
The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions!
Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. 
Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work.
I digress.
Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute.
Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

Ask for what you want.
That’s the best way.

I finally ended my MF membership last month. I’m sick and tired of all the strict policies, exorbitant fees, and low return on investment. I have been on the fence about leaving for a long time.
To make the decision, I conducted a test. I ran generous specials for two weeks, something equivalent to 50% off, just to see if that would attract a lot more inquiries. I expected many, but only got a few hits, mostly from visitors.
The visitors business doesn’t really help because the idea is to bring in new potential repeat business, not someone who would likely see me only once. I appreciate the bookings, but tbh these people would have booked me at full price anyway.
The other hits were from clients who also viewed my RentMasseur ad and were asking for the discount. One of them booked me through RentMasseur and then a day later viewed my MF profile and asked after the fact if he could get the MF special I was running. That was the last straw. I canceled his appointment, telling him that I could no longer give him 100% of my effort. I would rather not have the appointment than deliver subpar service knowing this client is willing to pay full price but now isn’t because I was running the deep discount test.
I canceled MF right then and there. No regrets. I get plenty of business from RentMasseur. If anything, I am using the savings to double down boosting my RM ads with paid extra advertising features. So far it’s working nicely.
So basically I have been paying MF a steep premium for the privilege of having to discount to get new business…when all the while most clients are viewing my RentMasseur ad anyways. And many of them are willing to book me at my normal rates. The value is just not there, at least not for me.
MF works best for therapeutic only providers.

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following.
The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions!
Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. 
Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work.
I digress.
Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute.
Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

^Simon says:
Here is a link to a comment I made on a specific provider re: this very same topic.
 

I think I’m going off the subject of cock position, so apologies and please remove this to a new thread if necessary but @Simon Suraciraises a good point: preparation for massage/escort services.
If you’re expecting sexual energy, and 100% of my clients are, then as well as positioning your cock appropriately please be prepared! Let me list a few of the things I’ve had to deal with: warning- it’s graphic but this is my life so you need to know. 
A guy with such awful haemorrhoids that it looked like a bunch of cherries was protruding from his ass. He’d even applied cream to them which made it look even worse. (Maybe it wasn’t haemorrhoid cream and he was trying to make them more appetising for me?) He did say ‘I may be a little sore down there so go careful’ which I interpreted as ‘use plenty of lube and try a finger first’ but when I saw the state of it I decided nothing was going to happen in that area. Nothing. Did he really expect me to …? 
A guy who was very corpulent with dried poo between the folds of his skin when I spread his cheeks to rim his hole. The actual hole looked clean. Simon’s discreet wiping is a thing I do, but tbh it’s not possible to discreetly rub away at dried poo. I love rimming but not so much doing a lot of preparation work. 
Cheese. That’s all I’ll say. I’m cut so it’s not something I deal with personally but I’m not dealing with it in my work OK? 
Post fuck or fingering rimming. Always happy to do that after I’ve been in first time. But what goes in has got to come out squeeky clean. With a recent client I pulled out and my cock was covered in poo, which spread over the towel underneath, and onto the client’s balls and legs. When it’s runny poo like that it’s not so easy to clean up…He was face down on the table, oblivious to the situation. I told him ‘I’m just going to the bathroom to freshen up’ …. ‘Sure Jamie’ he replied …and before I went I cleaned him all up down there. Which must have been obvious because it took a while, then I dealt with myself. When I returned he’s on all fours asking me to rim him. We were near the session end so I flipped him onto his back, lifted his legs, went in (to stay in) and finished him off with my hands whilst I pretended to finish inside him (honestly I really couldn’t). When I pulled out there was another mess. I threw away the towel. 
And people complain about the rate. 

 


 

I dress down for comfort on the table. and, to quote one poor restaurant review, “…however, the portion of potatoes was so grand, I had to lift them up to discover the average serving of meat they accompanied on the plate” 😎