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No dates in his ad. I think he's often hired by a regular poster who is interested in Eastern European guys and keeps up on who is worth the effort.

No dates in his ad. I think he's often hired by a regular poster who is interested in Eastern European guys and keeps up on who is worth the effort.

No dates in his ad. I think he's often hired by a regular poster who is interested in Eastern European guys and keeps up on who is worth the effort.

A number of years ago, when agencies still existed, I tracked turnover among their providers over the course of a couple years. One thing that stood out was almost half the new guys didn't last a month. Anecdotally, I've noticed that to be a constant over time and I avoid anyone new.  The couple times I did hire new guys, they seemed very disorganized (I may have been their 1st clients in both cases), asking for more time, pics, etc.) which frankly took away some of the desire on my part. So....if someone is truly new, I give them a pass. Let someone else train them up and if they stick around at least a month, I have some faith that they making a go of this. Younger guys (those under about 25) also tend to be less organized as business people--they forget the lube, don't understand how different kinds of cities work, etc. I'm glad I'm not usually drawn to twinks.
What's also clear is that if someone leaves the business, they often return, but frequently it's not for long. Again, I wait to see if they're committed to their comeback tour.
My guess is that many guys have an exit strategy--they plan to do this for a fixed length of time or until they build a nest egg or pay off a debt. A very small number truly make it a profession and many fairly long-term guys have something else going on---they may be writers, artists, students, etc. 

A number of years ago, when agencies still existed, I tracked turnover among their providers over the course of a couple years. One thing that stood out was almost half the new guys didn't last a month. Anecdotally, I've noticed that to be a constant over time and I avoid anyone new.  The couple times I did hire new guys, they seemed very disorganized (I may have been their 1st clients in both cases), asking for more time, pics, etc.) which frankly took away some of the desire on my part. So....if someone is truly new, I give them a pass. Let someone else train them up and if they stick around at least a month, I have some faith that they making a go of this. Younger guys (those under about 25) also tend to be less organized as business people--they forget the lube, don't understand how different kinds of cities work, etc. I'm glad I'm not usually drawn to twinks.
What's also clear is that if someone leaves the business, they often return, but frequently it's not for long. Again, I wait to see if they're committed to their comeback tour.
My guess is that many guys have an exit strategy--they plan to do this for a fixed length of time or until they build a nest egg or pay off a debt. A very small number truly make it a profession and many fairly long-term guys have something else going on---they may be writers, artists, students, etc. 

I believe he's had other names in the past--his main pic has been around forever.

You’re buying a fantasy and the providers are concerned that they have to age shave particularly at older ages. If they can carry off the fantasy regardless of their chronological age, it doesn’t concern me. There are far more important things that can be misrepresented.

So can we come back to Allen King and establish if he’s available and what he charges. Cade Maddox has had enough comments on his own threads.

So can we come back to Allen King and establish if he’s available and what he charges. Cade Maddox has had enough comments on his own threads.

He had an RM escort ad on and off for awhile--the expired indicates that he started in 2017-----he started off as a regular escort and then switched to "cuddling".  He seemed to move his base between Chicago and Nashville. Many if not most of the pics on the masseur ad are several years old. The escort ad pics include some that are probably more recent than the massage ad.

You’re buying a fantasy and the providers are concerned that they have to age shave particularly at older ages. If they can carry off the fantasy regardless of their chronological age, it doesn’t concern me. There are far more important things that can be misrepresented.

You’re buying a fantasy and the providers are concerned that they have to age shave particularly at older ages. If they can carry off the fantasy regardless of their chronological age, it doesn’t concern me. There are far more important things that can be misrepresented.

You’re buying a fantasy and the providers are concerned that they have to age shave particularly at older ages. If they can carry off the fantasy regardless of their chronological age, it doesn’t concern me. There are far more important things that can be misrepresented.

I joined his OF for a month. He just seemed really haggard in his content and I decided not to go any further.

He's been discussed to death already. Unless he changes his business model, I don't see the point of keeping this going.

He has a YouTube interview: 
 

Depends. Hagen makes a good point about expectations of different sorts of regulars and there probably also are guys who have unrealistic expectations of intimacy and friendship. Not every “regular” relationship will evolve in the same way. Guys who derive a lot of their income from travel may not see someone “often” but may see them on every visit or every few visits to their city, being a regular can be more elastic for them than for someone who rarely travels.

Many clients, myself included start by showing interest and avoiding specific asks right away (I saw your ad, I’m interested in in/out, x dates/times work for me, I’m traveling/local) and offering to answer any questions.

Many clients, myself included start by showing interest and avoiding specific asks right away (I saw your ad, I’m interested in in/out, x dates/times work for me, I’m traveling/local) and offering to answer any questions.

The tone hasn't exactly "invited" a response. You can look up the poster's history--they've been around and don't appear to be a sock puppet. If you want actual dialogue, you should ask for it. This happens over and over again---someone has a dissenting opinion and it's treated as though its no more or less valid than anything positive. There have been popular guys who turned out to be not so nice to clients, but their critics had to put up with this nonsense before that became apparent.

Many clients, myself included start by showing interest and avoiding specific asks right away (I saw your ad, I’m interested in in/out, x dates/times work for me, I’m traveling/local) and offering to answer any questions.

Depends. Hagen makes a good point about expectations of different sorts of regulars and there probably also are guys who have unrealistic expectations of intimacy and friendship. Not every “regular” relationship will evolve in the same way. Guys who derive a lot of their income from travel may not see someone “often” but may see them on every visit or every few visits to their city, being a regular can be more elastic for them than for someone who rarely travels.

Depends. Hagen makes a good point about expectations of different sorts of regulars and there probably also are guys who have unrealistic expectations of intimacy and friendship. Not every “regular” relationship will evolve in the same way. Guys who derive a lot of their income from travel may not see someone “often” but may see them on every visit or every few visits to their city, being a regular can be more elastic for them than for someone who rarely travels.

A good summary. The OF model seems to be evolving with more pay per video which, in the long run only works if they produce a regular stream of content. The typical OF claims weekly updates but often don’t even manage to do them monthly. My guess is that we’ll continue on 5he road of a small number of prolific OF a producers who do well and the laggards will come to be easier to spot and less lucrative for their creators.
Pornstars use OF as an adjunct to their career or a way to extend their ability to monetize it, much as they used to use escorting for this purpose. The non-OF pornstar escorts tend to be from the pre-OF area. Still, if OF becomes less lucrative then I think we may see more new pornstars escorting again.
I think the pricing volatility has a lot to do with COVID and the absence of an active market for a couple years. Things will settle down, but prices won’t be as low as they used to be.

He's been discussed to death already. Unless he changes his business model, I don't see the point of keeping this going.