PALM SPRINGS WEEKEND 2018

[+ stevenkesslar]

If I can add to the discussions generated by @Good Grief. I know you have made some snarky comments and may feel they define you and will continue to do so if you attend the PS event. They won't. Neither will any of the comments made in this thread. Snark loses its edge if uttered in person, and its purveyors tend to tone things down in real life...You won't feel out of place, or judged for your on-line persona. It will be just fine.

 

Great post, Mike.

 

Me being me, I'll take that as an opportunity for a little Sunday morning escorting sociology and sexual sermonizing, okay?

 

I have a point to make about the party, but I have to do it by way of quoting Veronica Monet, author of "Sex Secrets of Escorts." It is the best book on escorting I've ever read. And the fact that it was written by an extremely successful female escort is probably what makes it particularly insightful about escorting.

 

In the book, she talks about how she had to get used to the fact that the very successful men who hired her were the kind of guys who just ripped into each other with barbs - not as a way of hurting each other, but as a way of expressing affection.

 

Some quotes from her first chapter, titled The Basic Keys To Male Culture: "A few things I enjoy about the male culture, for example, are how they tend to be more straightforward when communicating negative emotions (like anger)....A few not-so-flattering traits about the male culture, are an insistence on denying vulnerable emotions...........and the incessant sarcasm that tends to hide the tears....Experience has taught me that most American men love to tease and joke almost to the point of humiliating each other. This is not considered adversarial or in bad form. It is in fact a way of increasing intimacy and familiarity."

 

She also says: "Escorts tend to see a side of their male clients that they perhaps do not share with the other people in their lives. It isn't because the client considers the escort to be a better friend that he tells his deepest, darkest secrets, but rather the fact that she is outside his social circle and unlikely to tell his secrets to anyone who matters to him. He can unburden his heart without risking loss of approval............Initially I expected my clients to ask for sex, more sex, and then more sex after that. I was shocked by what I discovered men wanted from me.....my clients showed an endearing interest in foreplay, cuddling, kissing, and pillow talk. The client/escort relationship also facilitated a great deal of emotional sharing and psychological healing for the men."

 

Okay, enough. Those words were written by a very smart and perceptive female escort about Straight male culture (see Weinstein, Harvey), so you have to add a very big dose of Gay to what she wrote. But when I first read her words, in the middle of a very successful escorting career, they resonated very deeply. From a Gay perspective, I'll add that there's a huge difference between uptight closeted men who are looking for a courtesan, and married Gay couples like Robster and Socalguy who feel extremely comfortable in their own Gay skins. (Arguably a little too comfortable, but we handled that delicate subject already).

 

So with all that sociology behind us, I'll say this. I've always felt that the pool party and all the relationships that it nurtures operate around the emotional realities that Monet describes above. Again, Monet is dealing with rich Straight men who may well epitomize hyper-masculine traits. So by virtue of having our Gay cards many of us are more skilled at the nurturing side of things, anyway.

 

I'll also say this, speaking as an escort. One thing that you said that isn't quite true is that it's actually quite common for snark (read as teasing and joking) to enter into in person relationships with escorts. Like Monet, I got used to it. And it was easier for me being a male. The teasing fits right in, and I take it as affection, not malice.

 

One of the nice things about the pool party for me is specifically that I get to see clients who hired me years ago. In some cases, I knew the details of their lives pretty well. In other cases, they normally hired me for an hour or two. So there was time for sex and perhaps a little playful snark, but not really time for deeper levels of intimacy. So it is actually really nice to hang out with these guys years later, with what feels like all the time in the world. And there is this level of intimacy that exists simply by virtue of the fact that we've had sex with each other - even if sex is not part of the agenda now.

 

So in a sense I disagree with you, or would cast the snark in a different light, based on my experience. I don't see the snark as off-putting. I see it as an invitation to deeper levels of intimacy.

 

 

All are welcome. Jump in the pool.

 

And while you're at it, could somebody please buy Robster a god damn bathing suit?

[mike carey]

@stevenkesslar, I think we are agreeing that snark loses its effect when it is offered in person.

[+ stevenkesslar]

(In other words, you don't look like your picture, which is of an ass).

 

 

 

Ah, but what a nice ass pic!. Fine, indeed.

 

Oh, right. Me and my logorrhea. Sometimes I forget that some of you respond better to pictures than prose.

 

Bottom line guys............................dive in the pool.

 

 

And, yeah, I know I can be long-winded at times. We all have room for improvement, I guess.

 

But that's okay. I'm working on it. I'm all about knocking down barriers to communication.

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Khy_gmKc484/UhVdLvsm1NI/AAAAAAAAIMM/NkAYyY8nbQw/s640/31322.jpg

[+ José Soplanucas]

I am sure the eggs will be delicious and I am planning to devour several trays. However, I am a big appetite kind of man, for both sex and food. I will take care of finding my own sex, but Oliver's hospitality and generosity is well known. I am wondering about the rest of the menu.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JFcDtT2BbXw/Uh4ATUUzloI/AAAAAAAAQZU/1xGV7YurUSw/s640/Movies_Vikings_31d_feast_table.jpg

[Guy Fawkes]

It'll be pricey. Something about the less there is the more it costs.

 

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And while you're at it, could somebody please buy Robster a god damn bathing suit?

[Guy Fawkes]

@Epigonos many many apologies! He is correct, these are the items of note.

 

Those aren't deviled - they're just hard-boiled!

These are deviled!http://foodnetwork.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2004/5/19/0/sh1b04_deviled_eggs1.jpg.rend.sniipadlarge.jpegAnd I don't make them - Epigonos does. As Kesslar says, I'm barely able to boil water without burning it!

[+ sf westcoaster]

I have attended the PS gathering eight times and have reserved a room to attend in 2018, but am now giving serious consideration to not attending. Just not sure that much of what has been posted in this thread is indicative of past gatherings and that gives me pause as to weather the current postings are indicative of what might be the environment for 2018.

Edited October 16, 2017 by sf westcoaster

[BabyBoomer]

@Epigonos

 

It's time to retake control of this thread from Steven Kesslar.

 

~Boomer~

[+ stevenkesslar]

@Epigonos

 

It's time to retake control of this thread from Steven Kesslar.

 

~Boomer~

 

Excellent point Boomer.

 

[+ stevenkesslar]

I have attended the PS gathering eight times and have reserved a room to attend in 2108, but am now giving serious consideration to not attending. Just not sure that much of what has been posted in this thread is indicative of past gatherings and that gives me pause as to weather the current postings are indicative of what might be the environment for 2018.

 

Just to clarify, I hit "like" as in I agree that this stretched too far into catty girl talk. Sorry about that.

 

I will be spending a week with Oliver and Epigonos in the near future and they have promised to spank me as punishment. And no, the windows will not be open for others to watch.

 

Meanwhile, we return you to your regularly scheduled tossed salad. My apologies.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I have attended the PS gathering eight times and have reserved a room to attend in 2108, but am now giving serious consideration to not attending. Just not sure that much of what has been posted in this thread is indicative of past gatherings and that gives me pause as to weather the current postings are indicative of what might be the environment for 2018.

 

Do you not know yet that whatever is going on here, it is not a reflection of Reality often times?

By the way, I admire your optimism about your life expectancy. Bah, 2108 is just around the corner!

[TruthBTold]

Ah.....you were the guy. Thank you! I actually never linked your handle here with your name or face. Nice to meet ya. (In other words, you don't look like your picture, which is of an ass).

 

 

And you can also now vouch for the fact that: 1) Tristan is not my boyfriend, 2) Tristan does look like GI Joe, 3) I am insufferable in conversation.

 

I can only respond to your post in this way.

1) I dearly wish I looked like my avatar (is that the right word?). I do not. I would not mind looking like that ass.

2) Despite the fact that I had a really amiable conversation with the gentleman who accompanied Tristan that day, I would not be able to vouch that your were/are not Tristan's boyfriend. The gentleman that I spoke with did not state that he was Tristan's boyfriend leaving open the possibility that you and Tristan are/were in one of those very, very understanding relationships that encompasses both his "accompanying" other gentlemen and deviled eggs.

3) When I was there Tristan was dressed in a very small bikini bathing suit so I can't really say he looks like GI Joe. I have never seen GI Joe in a bikini and have never seen Tristan in fatigues. So, unfortunately, I can't say Tristan looks like GI Joe. My suggestion is to get a similarly built GI, put him in a bikini, and bring him to the meeting. Also have Tristan attend again dressed as he was. Believe me I would be more than happy to view them both "on parade" for a very long time and come to a conclusion then.

4) Assuming that we both engaged in conversation that day (and your post assumes so) I must say that you are hardly "insufferable" in conversation. As a matter of fact I found you rather charming and engaging. And that was before any drinks or eggs.

[big-n-tall]

I can only respond to your post in this way.

1) I dearly wish I looked like my avatar (is that the right word?). I do not. I would not mind looking like that ass.

2) Despite the fact that I had a really amiable conversation with the gentleman who accompanied Tristan that day, I would not be able to vouch that your were/are not Tristan's boyfriend. The gentleman that I spoke with did not state that he was Tristan's boyfriend leaving open the possibility that you and Tristan are/were in one of those very, very understanding relationships that encompasses both his "accompanying" other gentlemen and deviled eggs.

3) When I was there Tristan was dressed in a very small bikini bathing suit so I can't really say he looks like GI Joe. I have never seen GI Joe in a bikini and have never seen Tristan in fatigues. So, unfortunately, I can't say Tristan looks like GI Joe. My suggestion is to get a similarly built GI, put him in a bikini, and bring him to the meeting. Also have Tristan attend again dressed as he was. Believe me I would be more than happy to view them both "on parade" for a very long time and come to a conclusion then.

4) Assuming that we both engaged in conversation that day (and your post assumes so) I must say that you are hardly "insufferable" in conversation. As a matter of fact I found you rather charming and engaging. And that was before any drinks or eggs.

 

Not Steven, nor @tristanbaldwin... but I felt compelled to respond.

 

Mr. Baldwin is currently not attached and I don't think he was when he wore a tiny speedo at PSW.

 

As to your other comments... there... a GI Joe in a speedo/bikini

 

...and Tristan in fatigues.

 

Now back to your regular PSW discussion.

[Good Grief]

Do you not know yet that whatever is going on here, it is not a reflection of Reality often times?

By the way, I admire your optimism about your life expectancy. Bah, 2108 is just around the corner!

 

As your response was for him, I'm certainly not stepping on @sf westcoaster 's toes...

 

BUT, my (morbid) curiosity is wondering WTH are you saying ??? What do you mean?

[+ José Soplanucas]

As your response was for him, I'm certainly not stepping on @sf westcoaster 's toes...

 

BUT, my (morbid) curiosity is wondering WTH are you saying ??? What do you mean?

 

If you show up to PS, I explain to you.

[Good Grief]

@stevenkesslar , seeing that you liked this post and the earlier related, though incomprehensible post, only tells me to stay away.

 

Thanks for confirming, for sure, now and previously.

 

You need to spend time without a keyboard.

[Good Grief]

If you show up to PS, I explain to you.

 

My life expectancy as you suggest, might not carry me to Spring 2018.

[Epigonos]

Good Grief I can certainly understand that someone might decide that the Palm Springs Weekend is not for them. Everyone has that choice BUT why do you insist on beating to death the fact that you have decided not to attend? You have decided not to attend -- so be it. Now shut the fuck up about it and move on!!!!!

Edited October 16, 2017 by Epigonos

[+ stevenkesslar]

Now shut the fuck up about it and move on!!!!!

 

Now you see what I have to put up with? Sheesh!

 

You need to spend time without a keyboard.

 

Deal.

 

Actually, I'm about to go off for a week to Puerto Vallarta with Epi and Oli - margaritas, stripper boys, sun, sand - but no sex!

 

You think three days with us is hell? Try a week!

 

But you are most welcome to join, GG. If you think you can stand a week of me. :eek::cool::confused:

[Good Grief]

Good Grief I can certainly understand that someone might decide that the Palm Springs Weekend is not for them. Everyone has that choice BUT why do you insist on beating to death the fact that you have decided not to attend? You have decided not to attend -- so be it. Now shut the fuck up about it and move on!!!!!

 

Understood. Nothing further from me.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

Woah! I don't know how somehow my notifications for this thread got turned off; since I had initially jumped in on the first few pages when the dates were first announced to let everyone know the airfare was alreadyyyyyyy booked. Wouldn't miss this for the world.

 

So since I'm in arrears here...combing through pages and pages about Deviled eggs, my future fiancé Steven, and what-not, I'll try to be succinct...

 

Rick from Rentmen(who used to help 'manage' me, and knows me better than probably anyone else on this page), once told Traveler North("TN"-my mentor to the Springs and in life/travel), 'Tristan would never be interested in something like that."(The Springs Event). It's the one thing he's ever been somewhat off on, in my entire life.

 

Figuring what's the worst that could happen- what could possibly be outside my comfort zone given what we as escorts and those of us who've done adult films(boom microphones and cameras literally right next to your ass while having sex at weird angles)....I accompanied TN there. The rest is history.

 

When you shape clay, like Patrick fucking Swayze in Ghost...is it instantly a smooth, beautiful process? No, it's a turn by turn revolution with each surface coming into contact with another surface...hand to clay...that CHANGES one thing into another.

 

Every single forum member you come in contact with, every escort....will change you every so slightly....and the aggregate of all these meetings is such a positive thing...I cannot name ONE case where someone has left the Springs not better off for it. Opens you up, broadens your horizons...makes you feel comfortable as both worker or client alike, with something that is so innately 'uncomfortable' or off the radar screen.

 

I owe a great deal of my success as an escort to this event, not solely because of sessions ever occurring with people I've met from there....moreover, because of how those <1% of people who have the courage and interest to come to this event have SHAPED ME in dealing with the other >99% of people out there. They make the mold to follow, and god do I loveeeeeeeeee that mold. Especially when it's shaped like Kessler.

 

(Half asleep as I type this; greetings from Thailand!)

 

Jordan / "Tristan"

[+ purplekow]

Is that Thailand Thighland or more likely both. Best I can gather it was about 8AM when you posted were you sleepy waking up or sleepy going to bed?

[+ tristanbaldwin]

Is that Thailand Thighland or more likely both. Best I can gather it was about 8AM when you posted were you sleepy waking up or sleepy going to bed?

 

No Thai Bodybuilder gyms for us just yet; but the day is still young. :D

[+ stevenkesslar]

I tried. I really tried.

 

But when GI Joe walks in the room, it's really hard for me not to open my mouth.

 

So I have to inform the group. I won't be able to attend next year.

 

And you shan't hear from me, ever again.

 

my future fiancé Steven

 

Yes, it's official guys.

 

Steven Kesslar has died and gone to heaven.

 

Edited October 16, 2017 by stevenkesslar

[+ azdr0710]

 

And you shan't hear from me, ever again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good to hear! We need all the bandwidth we can muster.