Age Shaving, a guide to clients

[Nvr2thick4me]

On 7/19/2021 at 4:19 AM, jjkrkwood said:

 

I heard you can get the residents of Shady Pines at "cut-rate".....? 

Not anymore! 😂

[+ glutes]

On 7/18/2021 at 7:18 PM, nycman said:

Six years later…you suddenly got curious about exposing age shavers?

I am curious about age shavers all the time. 😁

[+ Lucky]

On 6/25/2015 at 8:20 PM, Kevin Slater said:

I'd you rather you just shave your balls.

Me too. As I get older, this is a problem! Although @KrisParrhad a really helpful idea once. Women's razors!

[+ glutes]

22 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

In all matters of self-representation relative to transactions discussed here, I assume nothing is factual. 

Nothing being factual, how about the provider who claims to speak 2 common European languages, and can't even say 'thank you' in either of the languages he claims to speak?

***This entire post was done in English, Moderators please note***

[robberbaron4u]

Make way for the old gentleman! For myself, I am given to adding a few years to my actual age.

[pubic_assistance]

If twenty different people tell you that you look 30 and you are actually 40 then posting 30 doesn't bother me ...because the age issue for me is about the look not the facts. 

[+ pitman]

If someone is age shaving it makes me less likely to hire them.  I generally prefer guys 30 or older.  There are many exceptions but I find older guys to be more responsive to inquiries, more professional, more experienced, less obsessed with having the perfect body, and more focused on providing an excellent service with what they have.

So if a sexy 35 year old lists his age as 25 I will be hesitant to hire him. 

[+ glutes]

From BigValBoy, March 20, 2018 to a budding escort:

 

My only advice would be:

 

No age shaving

No endless selfies

No Confederate flags

No politics

No flipping the bird

No headless horseman photos

No attitude

No flakes

No upsell

No not showing up

No money up front

No cheap motels

No bad neighborhoods

No fake stats

No PNP

No "Ask Me"

No restrictions on ethnicity

No restrictions on client stats

No bad grammar

No misspellings

No bashing other escorts

 

Other than that, have fun, and... be respectful.

 

[Kris_Canada]

On 8/9/2021 at 11:17 AM, glutes said:

No money up front

HARD disagree on that one.  From a hiring standpoint, I wanna set his mind at ease and get money outta the way so we can move on from the payment portion of the session and enjoy the massage.  At the very least, put it on the night stand, mantle, or in the bathroom for him--he doesn't necessarily need to pocket it right at the start.  If he knows where it is, perhaps counts it, but leaves it there until the session's over?  That's fair, IMO.

When I'm escorting, well...I had my original client (first one who ever hired me and would see me twice a year) NOT pay me after three hours with him one time.  And this was after three or four years of seeing him.  He just said he didn't have the money, gave no other explanation.  I drove two hours up to his cottage from my place in the city during a thunderstorm for him.  He was deceitful.  What a way to end a great thing (he obviously thought it was great as well, since he still contacts me once or twice a year to have a session with him--nope!).  I had continued to make an exception for him over the years because I was new at this when I met him and I trusted him (every client after him, it was payment up front--and everyone else was cool with that), but that was a mistake.

I can understand not e-transferring your escort the full amount until they're standing in front of you, but when paying them cash?  Always, always cash up front at the start of the session or overnight.

I had one or two clients try to say that it was their policy to not pay until the session was finished.  How do I know they're not just trying to get my time for free ?  You have apps and sites for that, if you don't wanna pay up front.

Yes, I know clients' fears are that the provider will take the money and run.  But for any provider who's serious about this biz, they wouldn't do that because--besides most just being decent human beings and happy to do their jobs--the risk is far greater to them (they can receive bad reviews, be reported to Rent.Men multiple times, be exposed, etc) than the risk of $200 to $300 to the client of potentially having a scam artist escort one time (which is unlikely to begin with).

Edited August 29, 2021 by Kris_Canada
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[Hlparx]

33 minutes ago, Kris_Canada said:

HARD disagree on that one.  From a hiring standpoint, I wanna set his mind at ease and get money outta the way so we can move on from the payment portion of the session and enjoy the massage.  At the very least, put it on the night stand, mantle, or in the bathroom for him--he doesn't necessarily need to pocket it right at the start.  If he knows where it is, perhaps counts it, but leaves it there until the session's over?  That's fair, IMO.

When I'm escorting, well...I had my original client (first one who ever hired me and would see me twice a year) NOT pay me after three hours with him one time.  And this was after three or four years of seeing him.  He just said he didn't have the money, gave no other explanation.  I drove two hours up to his cottage from my place in the city during a thunderstorm for him.  He was deceitful.  What a way to end a great thing (he obviously thought it was great as well, since he still contacts me once or twice a year to have a session with him--nope!).  I had continued to make an exception for him over the years because I was new at this when I met him and I trusted him (every client after him, it was payment up front--and everyone else was cool with that), but that was a mistake.

I can understand not e-transferring your escort the full amount until they're standing in front of you, but when paying them cash?  Always, always cash up front at the start of the session or overnight.

I had one or two clients try to say that it was their policy to not pay until the session was finished.  How do I know they're not just trying to get my time for free ?  You have apps and sites for that, if you don't wanna pay up front.

Yes, I know clients' fears are that the provider will take the money and run.  But for any provider who's serious about this biz, they wouldn't do that because--besides most just being decent human beings and happy to do their jobs--the risk is far greater to them (they can receive bad reviews, be reported to Rent.Men multiple times, be exposed, etc) than the risk of $200 to $300 to the client of potentially having a scam artist escort one time (which is unlikely to begin with).

I usually see the same guys over and over, so I use the visible envelope method.  When I’ve had providers ask upfront, it’s been fine, although on a personal level, I found it off-putting when one provider I’d seen before counted it in front of me.

My general view when seeing new is to follow the provider’s lead.  By the time I see someone, I’ve tried to find out info about them.  I don’t see guys who have multiple allegations on RM or here of having done runners.  So at that point, I’m not concerned about getting ripped off.  

Waiting until the end can be awkward too.  The first time I met one of my regulars, he initiated everything pretty quickly, we moved locations, and I left the donation in my jacket in the living room.  Afterwards, he followed me back to my jacket, which I didn’t think about until he visibly relaxed when I pulled out an envelope.

[Kris_Canada]

1 hour ago, Hlparx said:

I usually see the same guys over and over, so I use the visible envelope method.  When I’ve had providers ask upfront, it’s been fine, although on a personal level, I found it off-putting when one provider I’d seen before counted it in front of me.

Yeahhh, that's kinda tacky to count it in front of someone, IMO.  He could've made an excuse (like he had to go to the bathroom or something) and counted it in there real quick, if he felt it was necessary.  Many clients will leave the pay in the bathroom, in order to give their providers an opportunity to count it in private.

Even if you'd seen him before, though, he might've been double checking because of what might've happend with other clients (like if in my example above, another client perhaps shorted him or didn't pay him one time--it sucks that a minority of bad apples has lead to less trust than there COULD be on both sides of the bed).

I had one client short me by miscountig one time and another simply forgot how much my hourly was and put less in the envelope.  It was fine, both were regulars who I greatly enjoyed (looking forward to seeing them again whenever I get back in the saddle), they were a little embarrassed when I brought it up (it's awkward for us to have to bring up as well, heh), but I reassured them.  Mistakes happen, it was corrected, and no harm no foul.  🙂

 

[+ nycman]

3 hours ago, Kris_Canada said:

HARD disagree on that one.

I have no problem with your policy.

I just ask that you make it clear from the start, so that clients who disagree can politely take their business elsewhere. 

Nothing worse than being surprised on arrival with "money up front”. 

 

[Kris_Canada]

8 minutes ago, nycman said:

I have no problem with your policy.

I just ask that you make it clear from the start, so that clients who disagree can politely take their business elsewhere. 

Nothing worse than being surprised on arrival with "money up front”. 

 

Agreed, it's helpful if "money up front" is included in the profiles of any escort who requires that.

Hopefully those ain't the first words out of anyone's mouth, upon arrival.  Can be firm, but tactful.

[Luv2play]

I must live in an alternate universe. I hire regularly, and have even managed to do less regularly vbut often enough the last year and a half. In all my years of hiring, going back almost four decades, I have never paid up front or even been asked except for one time I can remember a year ago in Toronto.

In that case I showed the envelope (opened to reveal a wad of 100s) and the escort settled for me leaving it on the bedside table in the hotel. Frankly, I don't know why he asked since I was staying in an upscale hotel in downtown, and knew I had had an overnight the evening before which was not a cheap encounter. I told him that on hiring him since I was only looking for an erotic massage for 2 hours.

I wouldn't hire him again.

[Luv2play]

It probably helps that I hire only through Rentmen and have been a premium client there for a number of years. When I hire someone new, I encourage  them to check my profile and usually have extensive convos before the set date. If they can't trust me after that, they are booking the wrong client.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Luv2play

[+ glutes]

9 hours ago, Kris_Canada said:

HARD disagree on that one.  From a hiring standpoint, I wanna set his mind at ease and get money outta the way so we can move on from the payment portion of the session and enjoy the massage. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by glutes

[John]

I simply think payment up front is tacky.  If I know in advance that I am expected to do so, I don't make the date.  I have only been surprised once.  If that happens again, I hope I have the balls to leave or to ask the escort to.

My experience is also is that it is rare for anyone to ask for payment upfront.  Generally I pay with as few bills as possible and at the end of the session hand them over spread out so that they can instantly be visually counted.

There is risk in every encounter for both sides.

 

[BSR]

2 hours ago, John said:

I simply think payment up front is tacky.  If I know in advance that I am expected to do so, I don't make the date.  I have only been surprised once.  If that happens again, I hope I have the balls to leave or to ask the escort to.

My experience is also is that it is rare for anyone to ask for payment upfront.  Generally I pay with as few bills as possible and at the end of the session hand them over spread out so that they can instantly be visually counted.

There is risk in every encounter for both sides.

 

I've lost track of the number of posts from board members who paid up front, the escort "forgot something in his car," and the client is left with blue balls and an empty wallet.

[Kris_Canada]

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

I must live in an alternate universe. I hire regularly, and have even managed to do less regularly, but often enough the last year and a half. In all my years of hiring, going back almost four decades, I have never paid up front or even been asked except for one time I can remember a year ago in Toronto.

Mileage must vary, I guess.  The way most escorts I've met in-person and chatted with online talk, payment up front seems to be the norm.  And you see it stipulated in profiles.  🤷‍♂️

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

In that case I showed the envelope (opened to reveal a wad of 100s) and the escort settled for me leaving it on the bedside table in the hotel.

I think that's the best in-between measure, and the most fair to all involved.  Showing that there IS money.  Is showing the envelope or wad of cash and then leaving it on a table disagreeable to some providers ?

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

Frankly, I don't know why he asked since I was staying in an upscale hotel in downtown...

The upscale hotel reassures for safety and cleanliness, but IMO, it's not overly indicative of the client's financial status or reliability.  Plenty of clients of varying means splurge for a nice hotel on their night out.  The longtime client in the example I gave above had a good job and money, but he still ripped me off.  If I had asked for payment up front, I would have still walked away empty-handed, but with 3 hours of my time back.  I don't walk into sessions worried about this each time--most people in the world are good, most aren't trying to rip each other off--but "money up front" is a failsafe against finding out at the end that you've provided the service for free.

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

...and knew I had had an overnight the evening before which was not a cheap encounter. I told him that on hiring him since I was only looking for an erotic massage for 2 hours.

Yeah but how could he have known that you had an expensive overnight the night before?  He can't read your mind to determine that you're telling the truth.

Also, if they're new, young, and skittish, I wouldn't be surprised to find that most wanna be reassured that there's money for them set aside before they begin.

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

I wouldn't hire him again.

Fair, we all have our preferences.  But to me it seems like a mighty small detail to hold against someone when factoring in whether or not to rehire.

[Kris_Canada]

13 hours ago, Luv2play said:

It probably helps that I hire only through Rentmen and have been a premium client there for a number of years. When I hire someone new, I encourage  them to check my profile and usually have extensive convos before the set date. If they can't trust me after that, they are booking the wrong client.

True, seeing that someone's a Premium member helps reassure, as does seeing that they've been on there for years and if they're a good communicator.

[John]

There are risks in any encounter.  Actually rather more for the customer.  I think the provider can shoulder the "payment risk" and wait until the session is over. 

The idea that many providers require up-front payment is news to me, but most of my hiring is in continental Europe.

[Luv2play]

11 minutes ago, John said:

There are risks in any encounter.  Actually rather more for the customer.  I think the provider can shoulder the "payment risk" and wait until the session is over. 

The idea that many providers require up-front payment is news to me, but most of my hiring is in continental Europe.

It's news to me too. I see very few ads in Toronto or Montreal on RM stipulating up front payment. Rather they are the exception.

[maninsoma]

I don't hire as much as I used to -- even before the pandemic my hiring had slowed to a trickle -- but it was very rare in my experience for someone to ask for money up front.  I did do what a lot of clients mention when I had guys over, leaving the payment in a conspicuous place.  But when I went to an escort's or masseur's place I never took out the cash first to show it to them and only a couple of times did anyone ask for payment up front.  In both cases I simply left.

As others have written, there are risks to both sides just like there are in many other service industries where clients pay providers directly.  That there are a few bad apples who try to get something for nothing doesn't mean it's reasonable for providers to require every client to pay up front.  I'd say there are far, far more posts here from clients who have been ripped off by providers after having paid up front than there are escorts who were not paid or underpaid after the session ended. 

That being said, a business owner can set his own rules and if someone wants his payment only in fifty dollar bills and wants it up front, he's well within his rights to require this.  However, if someone wants payment before the session begins he really should mention that in his ad so as not to waste his and his prospective clients' time. 

[Kris_Canada]

9 hours ago, glutes said:

 

Thanks for linking back to that--great thread, good to see the varying perspectives.

Seems like envelope or bills somewhere visible is the best compromise.  An assurance that there is payment in the room, not putting it in his hand at the outset.  This isn't paying up front.  Anyone hate the envelope-on-the-table method?

[Kris_Canada]

3 hours ago, BSR said:

I've lost track of the number of posts from board members who paid up front, the escort "forgot something in his car," and the client is left with blue balls and an empty wallet.

Sad.  😥  Thank-you, bad apple escorts, for ruining it for the rest of us (for both providers and clients).

Okay, not ruining it, but contributing to the lack of unease, mistrust, or anxiety.