18 to 20 yr old providers

[Aamir]

Exploring a dad son kink recently and was wondering if you all could recommend any US based (US raised probably) providers who look under 21. As long as they are over 18, their actual age doesn't matter.  Age shaving is fine as long as the look the part. Looking for providers who were "a good boy" for you. Thanks!

[TBD]

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[harlow]

21 hours ago, Aamir said:

Exploring a dad son kink recently and was wondering if you all could recommend any US based (US raised probably) providers who look under 21. As long as they are over 18, their actual age doesn't matter.  Age shaving is fine as long as the look the part. Looking for providers who were "a good boy" for you. Thanks!

A city would help with the suggestions

[BaronArtz]

This is not an age range that I would consider and I don't have any recommendations.  Depending on where you live or are seeking to hire, I would search for twinks on rentmen.  You are just hiring an illusion, after all.

In any event, be very careful.  I would insist to see valid ID to make sure the provider is of legal age.  You can get into serious trouble if you don't.  

Edited 14 hours ago by BaronArtz

[Aamir]

36 minutes ago, harlow said:

A city would help with the suggestions

I'm in California, but travel around the US.

[Aamir]

5 minutes ago, BaronArtz said:

This is not an age range that I would consider and I don't have any recommendations.  Depending on where you live or are seeking to hire, I would search for twinks on rentmen.  You are just hiring an illusion, after all.

In any event, be very careful.  I would insist to see valid ID to make sure the provider is of legal age.  You can get into serious trouble if you don't.  

Not sure how I'd go about seeing valid ID, but in California at least actual and reasonable belief that the person is over 18 is a defense if they turn out to be younger. The hiring part is actual the more illegal thing.  But I guess most of us on here are law breakers.

[TJMS]

It surprises me that prostitution is still illegal when consenting adults are involved. 

[Aamir]

[TJMS]

Sex, like many things we buy, is for our pleasure. Unless minors are involved the State should back off

[BaronArtz]

I hire 'for massage only'.  That is not illegal.  

Things happen ...

[rickster]

1 hour ago, Aamir said:

Not sure how I'd go about seeing valid ID, but in California at least actual and reasonable belief that the person is over 18 is a defense if they turn out to be younger. The hiring part is actual the more illegal thing.  But I guess most of us on here are law breakers.

Solicitation of a minor in California can be a felony or a misdemeanor depending on the circumstances. Not just the standard misdemeanor which is the case for hiring an adult.  While it is true that belief that a person is 18 or over may be a defense for solicitation of a minor, the burden would be on the defendant to demonstrate this to a jury.

[BonVivant]

1 hour ago, Aamir said:

I'm in California, but travel around the US.

You can do an “Anywhere” search with age bracket and other attributes. Good luck. Let us know ow what you find. !

[BaronArtz]

1 hour ago, Aamir said:

Not sure how I'd go about seeing valid ID, but in California at least actual and reasonable belief that the person is over 18 is a defense if they turn out to be younger. The hiring part is actual the more illegal thing.  But I guess most of us on here are law breakers.

You are not sure about how you would go about that?  Just ask to see the ID before you do anything.  

As @rickster mentioned, you could be the defendant in a case like this.  You really want to be a defendant?

Edited 12 hours ago by BaronArtz

[BonVivant]

1 hour ago, Aamir said:

Not sure how I'd go about seeing valid ID, but in California at least actual and reasonable belief that the person is over 18 is a defense if they turn out to be younger. The hiring part is actual the more illegal thing.  But I guess most of us on here are law breakers.

Go to Belgium. Netherlands. Germany. Etc. 

Edited 12 hours ago by BonVivant

[TJMS]

BonVIvant, what is the minimum ages in those countries?

[Aamir]

1 hour ago, rickster said:

Solicitation of a minor in California can be a felony or a misdemeanor depending on the circumstances. Not just the standard misdemeanor which is the case for hiring an adult.  While it is true that belief that a person is 18 or over may be a defense for solicitation of a minor, the burden would be on the defendant to demonstrate this to a jury.

Luckily, it's not an affirmative defense in California. Meaning the accused doesn't bear the burden of production or proof. Innocent until proven guilty baby! Gotta love at least that part of this 250 yr old country.

[Aamir]

1 hour ago, BaronArtz said:

You are not sure about how you would go about that?  Just ask to see the ID before you do anything.  

As @rickster mentioned, you could be the defendant in a case like this.  You really want to be a defendant?

You're right I could ask. But if they say "no stalker I'm not showing you my effing ID, are you effing stupid?!?" Then what?

[BaronArtz]

5 minutes ago, Aamir said:

You're right I could ask. But if they say "no stalker I'm not showing you my effing ID, are you effing stupid?!?" Then what?

Then you walk away.

Yes, you are innocent until proven guilty.  In the meantime, you were arrested, you spend a horrible time in a cell until you see a judge, you could get bailed out or not, the press gets wind of it and writes you up, your friends, family and neighbors shun you, the HR of the company you work for fires you, you spend thousands of dollars on lawyers.  And that is the best case scenario.

Nothing is worth that sort of aggravation.

[Aamir]

4 minutes ago, BaronArtz said:

Then you walk away.

Yes, you are innocent until proven guilty.  In the meantime, you were arrested, you spend a horrible time in a cell until you see a judge, you could get bailed out or not, the press gets wind of it and writes you up, your friends, family and neighbors shun you, the HR of the company you work for fires you, you spend thousands of dollars on lawyers.  And that is the best case scenario.

Nothing is worth that sort of aggravation.

 

Fuck Fascism! Rise up!

 

Scholars like Robert Paxton emphasize that fascism relies on a "compensatory cult of unity" and the subordination of individual interests to the state. So for example any legal behavior, lifestyle, or cultural practice that falls outside the rigidly enforced norms of the state can invite harassment or violence from both the state and civilian informants.

[+ PhileasFogg]

3 hours ago, Aamir said:

Not sure how I'd go about seeing valid ID,

You ask for it.  I arrange a FaceTime call in advance and ask that it be held to camera.  Like you, I don’t care if they’re older - and I tell them that.  But I want proof 

[+ PhileasFogg]

12 minutes ago, Aamir said:

 

Fuck Fascism! Rise up!

 

Scholars like Robert Paxton emphasize that fascism relies on a "compensatory cult of unity" and the subordination of individual interests to the state. So for example any legal behavior, lifestyle, or cultural practice that falls outside the rigidly enforced norms of the state can invite harassment or violence from both the state and civilian informants.

Ok dude.  Then don’t ask for the proof of age…take the chance and make your stand against fascism. 😑

another option is fly them to you.  You need to have personal ID info to buy the ticket.  I’ve done this with all but one guy.  

Edited 10 hours ago by PhileasFogg

[guru68]

2 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said:

You ask for it.  I arrange a FaceTime call in advance and ask that it be held to camera.  Like you, I don’t care if they’re older - and I tell them that.  But I want proof 

Exactly. You have to act to protect yourself - no one else is going to do it. Make it clear that it isn't happening without the ID, and then it's up to them. 

[rickster]

13 minutes ago, Aamir said:

 

Fuck Fascism! Rise up!

 

Scholars like Robert Paxton emphasize that fascism relies on a "compensatory cult of unity" and the subordination of individual interests to the state. So for example any legal behavior, lifestyle, or cultural practice that falls outside the rigidly enforced norms of the state can invite harassment or violence from both the state and civilian informants.

Now I get it.

 

[ACluelessGent]

Luckily, where I live, age of consent is 14, so I don't have to ask for IDs. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

3 minutes ago, ACluelessGent said:

Luckily, where I live, age of consent is 14, so I don't have to ask for IDs. 

I like young MEN…not boys!   Hell, why even have an age of consent at 14.   Are you sure that’s not a Romeo/Juliet statute?