NYC Pride

[MeatHead]

46 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Semantics.

So....  Straight people can't be allies and be at pride?  

I don't give a shit what color you are.  Hood and ghetto are classic microaggressive comments.

Hood / ghetto is behavior. Disliking certain people for the way the behave isn't racism lol. Where did I mention a race or ethnicity? Lmao. 

Straight people can be allies as long as they don't use our events as an excuse to misbehave showing off tetas and using drugs in the middle of the event. A lot of those attending don't support anything. They just want to party. 

[FaustOust]

On 6/22/2025 at 2:18 AM, MeatHead said:

Hood / ghetto is behavior.

No, it’s a coded dog whistle.  

Everyone knows of whom you speak without you mentioning race.  That’s why the word works to convey the sense you feel you can’t say. You can thereby back out of it semantically when called on it.  

If you were simply speaking of behavior and nothing else, like drinking in the street and fighting, you wouldn’t have categorized the type of people, in your view, engaging in the behavior, let alone call them “hood people.”  You would just describe the behavior.  You chose not to do that and instead refer to where you thought they were from as being the hood or ghetto for one obvious reason — to convey a more powerful image, a racially loaded image, of the people without you having to say it explicitly.

[ericwinters]

7 hours ago, FaustOust said:

No, it’s a coded dog whistle.  

Everyone knows of whom you speak without you mentioning race.  That’s why the word works to convey the sense you feel you can’t say. You can thereby back out of it semantically when called on it.  

If you were simply speaking of behavior and nothing else, like drinking in the street and fighting, you wouldn’t have categorized the type of people, in your view, engaging in the behavior, let alone call them “hood people.”  You would just describe the behavior.  You chose not to do that and instead refer to where you thought they were from as being the hood or ghetto for one obvious reason — to convey a more powerful image, a racially loaded image, of the people without you having to say it explicitly.

Thank you for spelling this out. I find it deeply disappointing that members of our own LGBTQ+ community can hold such mindsets—whether out of unexamined bias or, worse, a blatant disregard for those who may be different.

This kind of behavior is exactly what we’ve been fighting against for years as LGBTQ+ people. Now, it’s our trans and gender-fluid communities who are squarely in the crosshairs, bearing a disproportionate share of the burden.

I truly don’t understand why we direct this kind of harm toward people who aren’t white, Anglo-Saxon, or who don't fit within the narrowest definitions of identity.

Just imagine the world we could build if we chose solidarity over division—if we celebrated difference rather than using it as an excuse to marginalize.

[pubic_assistance]

10 hours ago, FaustOust said:

No, it’s a coded dog whistle.  

Everyone knows of whom you speak without you mentioning race.  That’s why the word works to convey the sense you feel you can’t say.

Eggs and bacon. They aren't the same...but you often see them on the same plate.

Just a reality of poverty in America.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 6/21/2025 at 11:18 PM, MeatHead said:

ghetto is behavior.

 

On 6/24/2025 at 8:01 PM, FaustOust said:

No, it’s a coded dog whistle.  

Everyone knows of whom you speak without you mentioning race.  

Ghetto originated as an Italian word to reference areas where Jews were forced to live in Rome and Venice.  The first "ghettos" in the United States areas in New York City where the Irish lived.  I find it a huge leep to think that @MeatHead was saying to avoid Pride because Jewish or Irish people will be present.  And I remember that @MeatHead is an immigrant himself and a person of color, so I also find it hard to believe he doesn't like NYC Pride nowadays because too many people who is near his shade of skin tone attend.  It is clear to me he meant he avoids Pride because "the behavior exhibited is less than becoming", although he may not be as well versed as the rest of us, being an  English as a second language learner himself.  I try to be empathetic and understand the context of his phraseology. 

To the topic of Pride, last year I visited New York City, Montreal, and Toronto during June/July.  I purposefully scheduled my trip to each city to arrive AFTER each city's Pride events to avoid the crowds at the gay hangouts.  It's not the  concentration of devious behavior that annoys me; I am annoyed by the large concentration of straight allies that want to join the party but then want to prohibit nudity because their children are present!

Pride is a victim of its own success.  Originating as a protest to say gay men are not going to tolerate the invasion of our safe spaces (Stonewall),  today's events are unrecognizable and lost on Generation Z.

Edited June 26 by Vegas_Millennial

[FaustOust]

45 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Ghetto originated as an Italian word to reference areas where Jews were forced to live in Rome and Venice.  The first "ghettos" in the United States areas in New York City where the Irish lived.  I find it a huge leep to think that @MeatHead was saying to avoid Pride because Jewish or Irish people will be present.

Yes, it is a huge leap to think that, because @MeatHead wasn’t talking about Irish ghettos in New York or European Jewish ghettos. It was clear to whom he was referring and why he chose that reference in the context of his comment about “hood people.”  He knew he was talking about Black people and how to convey it.  His own race is irrelevant to that. The etymology of “ghetto” is merely a history lesson that might explain how it evolved to current usage, but @MeatHead was obviously not using the word in an historical context as that would be nonsensical.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, FaustOust said:

Yes, it is a huge leap to think that, because @MeatHead wasn’t talking about Irish ghettos in New York or European Jewish ghettos. It was clear to whom he was referring and why he chose that reference in the context of his comment about “hood people.”  He knew he was talking about Black people and how to convey it.  His own race is irrelevant to that. The etymology of “ghetto” is merely a history lesson that might explain how it evolved to current usage, but @MeatHead was obviously not using the word in an historical context as that would be nonsensical.

I learned something new; because, I've never heard those terms used to reference a black person.  Out here in the West, when one says "hood" images of poor families comes to mind (mostly caucasian and hispanic) living in trailers or 2 story apartments with multiple run down cars for each family and roosters crowing throughout the neighborhood.

I must remind myself that New Yorkers often judge and classify people based on skin color, not on living conditions or behavior.  I guess that's why I prefer the original 🌈 Pride flag design to encompass all people of all sexual preferences, ignoring skin color or body part differences.

Edited June 26 by Vegas_Millennial
Grammar, and trying to keep the topic on Pride

[+ nycman]

1 hour ago, FaustOust said:

Yes, it is a huge leap to think that, because….

She wants to be butthurt…..so let her. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I learned something new; because, I've never heard those terms used to reference a black person.  Out here in the West, when one says "hood" images of poor families comes to mind (mostly Caucasian and Hispanic) living in trailers or 2 story apartments with multiple run down cars for each family and roosters crowing throughout the neighborhood.

I must remind myself that New Yorkers often judge and classify people based on skin color, not on living conditions or behavior.  I guess that's why I prefer the original 🌈 Pride flag design to encompass all people of all sexual preferences, ignoring skin color or body part differences.

What a childish excuse. I was living in another continent, 4 decades ago, and I had already learned the use of "hood" in the US inner city context. Perhaps you live under a rock. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

20 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

I was living in another continent, 4 decades ago, and I had already learned the use of "hood" in the US inner city context.

Quite true.  I was living in a rural farming community in California, so definitely not inner city New York.  When my friends would ask "What's good in the 'hood?", I thought they were just asking "What's up?" or "How's your day?".  I didn't realize they were calling me and others a racial slur.  I was taught to be kind, like this charity: 

www.goodinthehood.org

 

20 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Perhaps you live under a rock.

Maybe that's why I'm hard as a rock all the time 😈.  I do like Spunk at Monster in New York, as well as Macho Mondays at Nowhere Bar when I'm in New York and hard 😈.  (Trigger Warning: I'm about to use a word containing 'hood) Because Nowhere Bar is not in the same neighborhood as Christopher Street , I don't recommend trying to bar hop between these neighborhoods on the same night.  The L train and transfer to 1 train just takes too long.  It's a good thing Spunk and Macho Mondays occur on different nights of the week, although this may change for Pride.

Edited June 26 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I was living in a rural farming community in California, so definitely not inner city New York.  When my friends would ask "What's good in the 'hood?", I thought they were just asking "What's up?" or "How's your day?".  I didn't realize they were calling me and others a racial slur.  I was taught to be kind, like this charity

Really? And you just learned in this very thread about this connotation for hood, in the year 2025. 

I was being diplomatic when I asked whether you lived under a rock. I think you are full of bull. 

[pubic_assistance]

18 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I must remind myself that New Yorkers often judge and classify people based on skin color, not on living conditions or behavior. 

I've lived in NYC for nearly 30 years. THAT has never been MY perception. New Yorkers are VERY much sensitive to behavior...BECAUSE skin color is so diverse in every social circle, that you could never accurately define a person by their melanin alone. 

Only at the upper-upper reaches of monied society, does the ballroom become bright white, with guests while the brown people serve caviar. 

MY understanding of "ghetto" is behavior. I have enough friends who are people of color to know that they dont mean "black" when they say "ghetto". 

Secondly: my observation of this ghetto behavior during gay pride would be that its predominantly seen in the Latina Lesbians, not black people. I am a total snob about behavior. But that doesnt make me a racist. I grew up where the majority of trash were white hillbillies.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

56 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I've lived in NYC for nearly 30 years. THAT has never been MY perception. New Yorkers are VERY much sensitive to behavior...BECAUSE skin color is so diverse in every social circle, that you could never accurately define a person by their melanin alone.

Thank you, that has restored my faith in our society.  It's good to know most of my assumptions are shared by others who actually live in NYC and visit Pride.  But, the other side has enlightened me to see that some will make everything not just about race, but one particular race.  I'll be in New York in September, and staying near your 'hood (I'll be in Chelsea).  I like to visit New York a lot, just not particular the week of Pride events because of the crowds on Christopher Street.

[pubic_assistance]

1 minute ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I like to visit New York a lot, just not particular the week of Pride events because of the crowds on Christopher Street.

I don't blame you. We always leave town for the day. 

The "ghetto" behavior tends to be at night, when we return and it's primarily the Lesbians making the worst impression on the people who live here. 

Much of the most outrageous behavior coincides with screaming IN SPANISH. Thus my opinion that the "ghetto" behavior at Pride is heavily concentrated in the Lesbian Latina community.

[MeatHead]

On 6/19/2025 at 2:33 AM, Luv2play said:

This was the Pride parade in Montreal about 25 years ago. I lived in the Gay Village then and the parade passed right by down the street where I lived. A friend and I went to the NewYork Pride parade in 2003 but it wasn’t as good as the Montreal event in those days. I will say the French boys are almost all white, which has been mentioned here as an issue in Chicago. But we weren’t conscious of that back then. 

Damnnn 

You still keep these pics from the old days when pictures were only physical photos. I just think it's very interesting.

Edited July 2 by MeatHead