United Healthcare CEO killed

[pubic_assistance]

20 hours ago, EastCoastBtm said:

Is this confirmed?  Trying to find the earlier post that may say that.

I was reading some conversation threads with people who had gone through all his social media. He seems to be more bisexual, because he was mostly seen with girlfriends but one of his posts he was complimenting the looks of an effeminate guy.

[Ajac]

Hey I get that the insurance companies are off the rails have been for sometime now, but is this behavior being embraced? So if a murderer is attractive does that justify the actions. Were children left orphaned, was a woman left widowed. But hey he had six pack abs so let's give him a pass.

Maybe I need more info, but at this point the news media has a lot more important issues to address.

[56harrisond]

19 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I was reading some conversation threads with people who had gone through all his social media. He seems to be more bisexual, because he was mostly seen with girlfriends but one of his posts he was complimenting the looks of an effeminate guy.

That would make sense. Based on anecdotal experience only, Gen Z and Gen Alpha are much more bi or at least less strict straight than previous generations. 

[ICTJOCK]

My first reaction after hearing about it initially was  "how sad and what a waste".   The CEO  sounds like a great family man and  the accused sounds like he had much to accomplish in life.     You wonder about why this happens?    I've heard the term   "off the grid" mentioned about his last several months.     I have no doubt part of his actions were fashioned by conversations online.     One question.... what the hell did he do for a living?    I get he earned his Masters degree.   Was he employed?

[CuriousByNature]

If he was looking for a way to become famous, he succeeded.  But what a waste for all involved.

[dutchal]

50 minutes ago, sync said:

Add to that he is a product of wealth and political affiliations.

The wealth will buy him good defense lawyers.  The political affiliations are unknown and irrelevant in NY and the jury will hear little or nothing about them.

[+ sync]

8 minutes ago, dutchal said:

The wealth will buy him good defense lawyers.  The political affiliations are unknown and irrelevant in NY and the jury will hear little or nothing about them.

You make a good point, but in the world of politics it can be surprising who knows who politically/judicial/business/media.

[dutchal]

3 minutes ago, sync said:

You make a good point, but in the world of politics it can be surprising who knows who politically/judicial/business/media.

New Yorkers are notorious for knowing and caring little about such things outside of New York's orbit.  Some family that owns a couple of country clubs and nursing homes in Baltimore will mean as much to the jury as a cattle rancher in Wyoming.

[+ sync]

2 minutes ago, dutchal said:

New Yorkers are notorious for knowing and caring little about such things outside of New York's orbit.  Some family that owns a couple of country clubs and nursing homes in Baltimore will mean as much to the jury as a cattle rancher in Wyoming.

As a New Yorker, your appraisal of us stings. 😄

[+ José Soplanucas]

And the last one:

[dutchal]

5 minutes ago, sync said:

As a New Yorker, your appraisal of us stings. 😄

I notice that you didn't disagree, though.  😉  I know my city.  Besides, any prospective juror who might be from Baltimore and familiar with the family (certainly not impossible in a city full of transplants) will most likely be bounced from the jury.

 

[+ sync]

19 minutes ago, dutchal said:

I notice that you didn't disagree, though.  😉  I know my city.  Besides, any prospective juror who might be from Baltimore and familiar with the family (certainly not impossible in a city full of transplants) will most likely be bounced from the jury.

 

I have served a great deal of jury duty, and the one thing that has prevailed is unpredictability.  Time will tell.

[dutchal]

1 hour ago, ICTJOCK said:

My first reaction after hearing about it initially was  "how sad and what a waste".   The CEO  sounds like a great family man and  the accused sounds like he had much to accomplish in life.     You wonder about why this happens?    I've heard the term   "off the grid" mentioned about his last several months.     I have no doubt part of his actions were fashioned by conversations online.     One question.... what the hell did he do for a living?    I get he earned his Masters degree.   Was he employed?

New stories indicate he was a data engineer at TrueCar until sometime in 2023.

IMHO the timing is a strong indication that his back problems, the apparently less than fully successful surgery, and the associated chronic pain and drugs altered his thinking. Altered thinking + brain power on the level his academic record indicates = recipe for tragic deterioration.  Sadly, he took another man's life down with him.

[dutchal]

8 minutes ago, sync said:

I have served a great deal of jury duty, and the one thing that has prevailed is unpredictability.  Time will tell.

I'm willing to bet a tidy sum that a jury full of New Yorkers is not going to endorse a random. cold-blooded assassination on a sidewalk smack dab in the middle of our city.

[+ sync]

7 minutes ago, dutchal said:

I'm willing to bet a tidy sum that a jury full of New Yorkers is not going to endorse a random. cold-blooded assassination on a sidewalk smack dab in the middle of our city.

There is a lot of public resentment towards the health insurance industry.

I'm thinking a successful mental incompetentcy plea.

 

[Luv2play]

2 hours ago, sync said:

Add to that he is a product of wealth and political affiliations.

Yes and conservative affiliations at that. 

[Luv2play]

2 hours ago, Ajac said:

Hey I get that the insurance companies are off the rails have been for sometime now, but is this behavior being embraced? So if a murderer is attractive does that justify the actions. Were children left orphaned, was a woman left widowed. But hey he had six pack abs so let's give him a pass.

Maybe I need more info, but at this point the news media has a lot more important issues to address.

The OJ Simpson trial showed that police animus towards Blacks would be seen by a jury as justification for letting off the murderer. 
In this case it will have to be seen if the public animus towards the health insurance industry will produce the same result.

Time will tell. Of course a not guilty verdict would seem to say that it is open season on health insurance executives, an unacceptable outcome to the establishment. 
 

In that event one could contemplate that the only solution would be for the government to dispose of them and bring in public health care for all. 

[Luv2play]

45 minutes ago, dutchal said:

I'm willing to bet a tidy sum that a jury full of New Yorkers is not going to endorse a random. cold-blooded assassination on a sidewalk smack dab in the middle of our city.

I don’t think it can be shown that this was a random act. It was clearly targeted. 
There are certainly many random cold blooded murders in New York City, particularly on the subways. But this ain’t one of them.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Luv2play

[dutchal]

1 minute ago, Luv2play said:

I don’t think it can be shown that this was a random act. It was clearly targeted. 

Substitute "brazen" for "random".

[dutchal]

38 minutes ago, sync said:

There is a lot of public resentment towards the health insurance industry.

I'm thinking a successful mental incompetentcy plea.

 

Here is the applicable statute in New York:

"In any prosecution for an offense, it is an affirmative defense that when the defendant engaged in the proscribed conduct, he lacked criminal responsibility by reason of mental disease or defect. Such lack of criminal responsibility means that at the time of such conduct, as a result of mental disease or defect, he lacked substantial capacity to know or appreciate either:

1. The nature and consequences of such conduct; or

2. That such conduct was wrong."

Given his intelligence and what I've seen of his writing, proving the necessary elements of mental disease or defect will be a very, very tall order.

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, dutchal said:

I notice that you didn't disagree, though.  😉  I know my city.  Besides, any prospective juror who might be from Baltimore and familiar with the family (certainly not impossible in a city full of transplants) will most likely be bounced from the jury.

 

I am thinking anyone who has ever had a dispute with their healthcare provider will also be excluded at the request of the prosecution. 

[dutchal]

5 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

I am thinking anyone who has ever had a dispute with their healthcare provider will also be excluded at the request of the prosecution. 

Provider or insurer, yup.

[dutchal]

16 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

Go to LPSG, This thread is 150 pages of fun.

Now 183.

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 minute ago, dutchal said:

Now 183.

You have to comb through all the dick thirst and the finger pointing, but there are some interesting contributions there. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, dutchal said:

I'm willing to bet a tidy sum that a jury full of New Yorkers is not going to endorse a random. cold-blooded assassination on a sidewalk smack dab in the middle of our city.

Dude you lost that bet a few days ago 😆

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna180775