My first non-paying client…

[DFdub]

9 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

I typically pay doctors and lawyers with a card, but I have no doubt that if I paid my co-pay with a stack of $1's and $5's the receptionist would both count it and hand me a receipt for it.

The receptionist therein acting as a cashier equivalent, collecting someone else’s service fees rather than a provider. Invoicing for tax purposes is different.

Interesting that one might pay a provider in 1s & 5s vs denominations more aligned with the total amount paid for efficiency on both sides.l though. 🤣

[Cretus]

On 6/9/2024 at 4:19 AM, Jamie21 said:

Here’s the red flags which I’ve learned from years of experience. All of them are an automatic ‘no’. Say ‘sorry no’ to these clients and do not be tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt. Decide your rules and stick to them regardless. If you don’t do that the work will destroy you. 

1. I’m not able to afford it, would you do me a discount? Top 🚩 

2. I’m a student / temporarily unemployed are there special rates for me? These might come with a ‘sob story’. Very sad. But still it’s a ‘no’. 

3. Do you do half hour sessions? (Anything less than your minimum advertised session….and if you’re advertising anything less than an hour minimum why are you doing that?)

4. Any reference to ‘I’ll be a regular client’ in the discussion. Big 🚩 You’ll never see him again. 

5. Any reference to them being so hot that you’ll not want to charge. Run a mile from these. Run a mile.

6. Opening with ‘I’m very inexperienced / a virgin etc’. Don’t waste your time (if this comes up after he’s booked it’s less of a 🚩 but he’s likely to cancel on the day.

7. Any contact that opens with ‘hey, what’s up, how are you’ etc will be a waste of time. You decide whether you have the spare time to engage with a window shopper.

8. Any contact that opens with a dick pic (or ass). Delete and block. Don’t waste your time. It’s probably not his dick anyway. 

9. Any sex chat during the booking conversation (unless it’s a genuine question about activities included). It will be obvious if the booking process is being used for sex chat. Big 🚩 Disengage immediately.

10. Last minute or urgent bookings. “Free now? I’m desperate” Always trouble. Just answer ‘no sorry’. Even if he offers premium payment don’t accept the booking. 

The common theme? These clients don’t value you. If you accept them at their terms then you’re agreeing with their valuation. That can’t be the start of a good meeting. 
 

 

 

Honestly as a client I see why it is important to be direct, and quick as possible. I handed to say “hey, how are you?” A lot before getting to location, asking about rate, and etc, and it got me blocked frequently. 
 

From convos with providers, it is important that you are direct- ask about rate, tell them your location, and when you would be interested asap. “Hey, how are you”, and too many pleasantries can indeed be a sign of someone there to waste your time.

[+ Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Lolito said:

Honestly as a client I see why it is important to be direct, and quick as possible. I handed to say “hey, how are you?” A lot before getting to location, asking about rate, and etc, and it got me blocked frequently. 
 

From convos with providers, it is important that you are direct- ask about rate, tell them your location, and when you would be interested asap. “Hey, how are you”, and too many pleasantries can indeed be a sign of someone there to waste your time.

Yes exactly. It may seem polite to start like that but it’s really irksome when you get lots of those type of “hey how are you” chats. What I like is “hello I’d like to book an hour (or whatever) at x time on y date in call”.  It’s simple, has all the info I need to reply and it shows they’re serious because they’ve done some research (as in they know my location, service, rates etc all of which can be easily found with a couple of clicks). Once I’ve sent back details then any further questions can be responded to. 
Clients that ask lots of questions, and especially those that open with “what’s your rate?” usually means they’re not that invested in meeting. 
 

[polythome]

On 6/14/2024 at 5:16 PM, DGHou said:

I can attest to that!  Those are the ones who probably never have regulars.

I'm new to renting but this is also my observation. I've had 3 ask me to pay before the start of the session, 2 were definitely lousy but 1 was a sweet heart. The 2 had clear red flags: 1 wouldn't cum (despite this being pre-agreed) because he said he already came 4 times during the day; 1 said yes to kissing upfront (when we were messaging) then said he doesn't do kissing and eventually said that he wants more payment for cumming (while his dick was already hard in my mouth after minutes of sucking).

It's a shame because I've had much great experience with others.

[wanderlust307]

After all these years and I am still not comfortable with the transactional part of this business. Quickies, bargaining, money upfront... 🤮

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 7/10/2024 at 12:42 PM, Jamie21 said:

Yes exactly. It may seem polite to start like that but it’s really irksome when you get lots of those type of “hey how are you” chats. What I like is “hello I’d like to book an hour (or whatever) at x time on y date in call”.  It’s simple, has all the info I need to reply and it shows they’re serious because they’ve done some research (as in they know my location, service, rates etc all of which can be easily found with a couple of clicks). Once I’ve sent back details then any further questions can be responded to. 
Clients that ask lots of questions, and especially those that open with “what’s your rate?” usually means they’re not that invested in meeting. 
 

Yes, it should be, "Hi, saw you on RM, are you working?"

I can't stand people who just say "hi" in a business context without anything else. I work with people like that. I just respond with a question mark waiting for them to get to the point.

[coriolis888]

On 8/11/2024 at 11:45 PM, polythome said:

It's a shame because I've had much great experience with others.

It is impossible to know which "prepaid" (pay me in advance) escorts tell the truth while you are talking or texting with them. 

For the most part, those who insist on being paid before the session starts, often do not do what they say they will do when you negotiated the meeting with them.  It is not unusual to be asked for more money to do the things they already agreed to during price setting and negotiations.  

Hence, when the actual meeting begins and the escorts wants payment in advance, it is better to say "let's wait until we are finished" or just end the session if the escort continues to insist on prepayment.  

[marylander1940]

On 6/8/2024 at 2:15 AM, Tony_tx said:

I trusted this client and he made me believe that he would pay me made himself seem sincere and just ghosted me. 
Thanks to this man I will only accept payment upfront from now on. He just made me realize that I just cannot trust anyone. I took time out of my day on a Friday to drive 30 min to meet with him. I should’ve seen the red flags when he kept asking for a special rate because he didn’t need an hour and made it seem like he was ok to pay for the hour when I did he him. He made me rush out after fucking me because “his family member was about to arrive to pick him up and I know it’s important to protect a clients privacy so I rushed out and it seemed legit because he was so nervous and he kept telling me he would never do something like not pay…

Sign up for Mr number and report him! I'm sure it's not the first time he does it nor the last...

[marylander1940]

On 8/13/2024 at 5:58 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Yes, it should be, "Hi, saw you on RM, are you working?"

I can't stand people who just say "hi" in a business context without anything else. I work with people like that. I just respond with a question mark waiting for them to get to the point.

Agreed, unfortunately common sense is not common. 

 

[+ ApexNomad]

On 6/9/2024 at 4:19 AM, Jamie21 said:

Here’s the red flags which I’ve learned from years of experience. All of them are an automatic ‘no’. Say ‘sorry no’ to these clients and do not be tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt. Decide your rules and stick to them regardless. If you don’t do that the work will destroy you. 

1. I’m not able to afford it, would you do me a discount? Top 🚩 

2. I’m a student / temporarily unemployed are there special rates for me? These might come with a ‘sob story’. Very sad. But still it’s a ‘no’. 

3. Do you do half hour sessions? (Anything less than your minimum advertised session….and if you’re advertising anything less than an hour minimum why are you doing that?)

4. Any reference to ‘I’ll be a regular client’ in the discussion. Big 🚩 You’ll never see him again. 

5. Any reference to them being so hot that you’ll not want to charge. Run a mile from these. Run a mile.

6. Opening with ‘I’m very inexperienced / a virgin etc’. Don’t waste your time (if this comes up after he’s booked it’s less of a 🚩 but he’s likely to cancel on the day.

7. Any contact that opens with ‘hey, what’s up, how are you’ etc will be a waste of time. You decide whether you have the spare time to engage with a window shopper.

8. Any contact that opens with a dick pic (or ass). Delete and block. Don’t waste your time. It’s probably not his dick anyway. 

9. Any sex chat during the booking conversation (unless it’s a genuine question about activities included). It will be obvious if the booking process is being used for sex chat. Big 🚩 Disengage immediately.

10. Last minute or urgent bookings. “Free now? I’m desperate” Always trouble. Just answer ‘no sorry’. Even if he offers premium payment don’t accept the booking. 

The common theme? These clients don’t value you. If you accept them at their terms then you’re agreeing with their valuation. That can’t be the start of a good meeting. 
 

 

 

I’ve been hiring providers for a long time. Back when I booked my first escort, I actually spoke to him over the phone. I was nervous and probably mentioned my inexperience in hiring an escort compared to his expertise. But we spoke and he could probably already tell in my voice. 

Regarding your point about #6, many providers on RM advertise that they welcome first-timers. Since everything is now done so quickly over text, do you think it’s better for first-timers to avoid mentioning their inexperience upfront? Would you prefer they bring it up after booking, or do you think it’s a red flag no matter when they mention it?

[+ Jamie21]

3 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Regarding your point about #6, many providers on RM advertise that they welcome first-timers. Since everything is now done so quickly over text, do you think it’s better for first-timers to avoid mentioning their inexperience upfront? Would you prefer they bring it up after booking, or do you think it’s a red flag no matter when they mention it?

I think it’s more about how the client raises it. Yes, I do want to know if you’re inexperienced or really anxious because I think I can help with that. But some clients raise it in a way that implies that they’re a more attractive client for me: as in “I’m a virgin / really tight / straight and have never been with a guy and I really want you to do x…” etc. in the hope that I’ll offer a session for free. That’s a red flag. But if someone says “I’d like to book but I’ve not hired before and am worried about x” then that’s not a red flag: it just means I might need to engage a bit more than usual to answer his questions. I can tell when he’s a genuine inexperienced guy and when he’s fishing for a discount or wanting to sext. 

[ICTJOCK]

Wow,  I have to say I've never had a client not pay me.   Most give me a tip.   What an unfortunate experience and one that many providers may face eventually.    Very sorry you had to go through that!

 

I would hope this is an exception and you won't ever have the experience again.   When  discussing booking,  certainly getting a real understanding of who they are and how solid they feel are important.    I'm sure you did that.    Nothing is foolproof,   but I would encourage you to not give up some trust with a client relationship.   I can understand the "up front"  approach.   I would hope you never have a rough time like that again.    Such a sad thing.