Escorting and Drugs

[ICTJOCK]

So I was curious how fellow providers here handle drug use by clients?       I don't use drugs,  as a fitness advocate,  I'm absolutely opposed to all drug use and really don't like to be around it.     I announce it in advance during the booking process.     I've had a few experiences with clients who are high and generally handle it gracefully and depart.    

Have had a couple of perspective clients who "PNP"  tell me they don't hire  escorts who don't.    Good for them.     Thoughts and ideas on your approach with it?   

[BaronArtz]

Makes sense!  I have never done PNP myself and would not hire escorts who advertise PNP on their profile.

Speaking of which, would you mind posting a link to your profile?  You sound interesting ...

[Jamie21]

I’ve had a few clients ask if I do PNP or if it’s ok if they take something during the session…I say ‘no, and that I’d rather they didn’t take anything stronger than use poppers’. It’s up to them what they do but I’m not having it in my session. 

A friend who also works in the business got into using crystal meth. I first met him when he was newly into making porn and escorting. We connected and I made a few films with him and saw a few clients with him. We had a lot of fun both working and socially. Then he got into drugs and I saw his decline from someone beautiful with a sweet heart to someone who aged 10 years in a single year, looking awful and behaving strangely. 

Fortunately he’s escaped the trap now, and is getting back to his real self but he stopped escorting because he said it brought him into contact with drugs. I’m surprised by that because it’s not my experience but I think the whole scene he was involved in (parties etc) was the problem. 
 

[+ DrownedBoy]

As a client, I never used anything stronger than cannabis, and then only in the form of edibles (gummies) or vapes that don't give off a smell.

To be safe, I usually let providers know ahead of time.  However, nobody - even escorts who claim they're "going sober" - has ever complained about cannabis use.

The only time I had to stop vaping was when I visited a provider in a hotel, and a sign clearly said vaping was forbidden. I ignore such signs when I have the room (my vape is undetectable), but his hotel room, his rules.

[ICTJOCK]

56 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

As a client, I never used anything stronger than cannabis, and then only in the form of edibles (gummies) or vapes that don't give off a smell.

To be safe, I usually let providers know ahead of time.  However, nobody - even escorts who claim they're "going sober" - has ever complained about cannabis use.

Cannabis is a little different.   I was booked with a client who had just finished smoking cannabis and told me he had waited a long time to book me.    I knew the client and I had no issues whatsoever.     My post was really about harder drugs,   but a good point,  so glad you brought it up.

 

[+ ThroatCummer]

One escort I was with advertised PNP on his profile even though he is clean and sober and never uses drugs or alcohol. 

Another put "NO PNP" specifically in their profile, although secretly they did it (GHB) during sessions if asked.

The obvious question was why?  Right?

Both said that many clients that are brand new to hiring and people uncomfortable with their sexuality reach for all kinds of substances to feel more comfortable in their own skin. Newly out people who haven't admitted they are gay. People with tons of family and work pressure just to check out and forget. The list is endless. 

PNP and "high" has a very different definition to each person. Is someone with a Ketamine nasal spray prescription "high"?  Does anyone want someone to show up drunk, which is sold legally almost everywhere (with few exceptions) across the planet?  Cannabis use?  I think we can all agree on Crystal Meth (T) and Heroin, right? But even a small amount of coke or microdosing GHB?  You couldn't even tell if you tried or gave a blood test. 

The escort's personal business decision was to allow it, but also decline at the meeting time if the person was obviously impaired in a dangerous situation -- or something that risks their own personal safety or health.  Otherwise, it is a business decision to advertise (and not partake) and they both said it actually can net more good clients. 

Takeaway:  As a client, I now disregard both the NO PNP and the PNP text/tags. Ask clarifying questions, state what you want to do, what you expect, and guarantee your condition. Show up present in that moment and make the escort feel comfortable. Like you should do with anyone you meet in life for any reason. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by ThroatCummer

[marylander1940]

On 8/13/2023 at 8:53 AM, ICTJOCK said:

So I was curious how fellow providers here handle drug use by clients?       I don't use drugs,  as a fitness advocate,  I'm absolutely opposed to all drug use and really don't like to be around it.     I announce it in advance during the booking process.     I've had a few experiences with clients who are high and generally handle it gracefully and depart.    

Have had a couple of perspective clients who "PNP"  tell me they don't hire  escorts who don't.    Good for them.     Thoughts and ideas on your approach with it?   

Some clients openly search for folks doing PNP while others like me stay away from them as far as possible! 

I know an escort who openly says in his ad he doesn't do PNP and despite that some guys contact him asking him to bring "party favors", etc. I guess when someone is high on meth or T reading is not a priority! 😂

On 8/13/2023 at 11:51 AM, Jamie21 said:

I’ve had a few clients ask if I do PNP or if it’s ok if they take something during the session…I say ‘no, and that I’d rather they didn’t take anything stronger than use poppers’. It’s up to them what they do but I’m not having it in my session. 

A friend who also works in the business got into using crystal meth. I first met him when he was newly into making porn and escorting. We connected and I made a few films with him and saw a few clients with him. We had a lot of fun both working and socially. Then he got into drugs and I saw his decline from someone beautiful with a sweet heart to someone who aged 10 years in a single year, looking awful and behaving strangely. 

Fortunately he’s escaped the trap now, and is getting back to his real self but he stopped escorting because he said it brought him into contact with drugs. I’m surprised by that because it’s not my experience but I think the whole scene he was involved in (parties etc) was the problem. 
 

 I wish we had an emoji for smart 🧠 to post as a reaction! 

God knows if they'll fall asleep, freak out, get confrontational, panic attack or simply get mad with a provider! 

Edited August 14, 2023 by marylander1940

[BuffaloKyle]

The thing you need to ask yourself as a client or provider is do you want the other guy possibly overdosing while you are with them. I wouldn't! Even if they say they know what they are doing a lot of deadly overdoses nowadays are coming when Fentanyl is unknowingly mixed into whatever other drug someone is using.

Edited August 14, 2023 by BuffaloKyle

[ICTJOCK]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloKyle said:

The thing you need to ask yourself as a client or provider is do you want the other guy possibly overdosing while you are with them. I wouldn't! Even if they say they know what they are doing a lot of deadly overdoses nowadays are coming when Fentanyl is unknowingly mixed into whatever other drug someone is using.

A very good point.  Because of my own background, I immediately think about potential legal liability.  What a mess!

[Jamie21]

4 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

A very good point.  Because of my own background, I immediately think about potential legal liability.  What a mess!

It’s a nightmare scenario. Definitely not worth even entertaining. I wouldn’t know what to do if confronted with someone overdosing. I’m so naive on all that. I don’t even drink alcohol 😂 and poppers make me feel nauseous! 

[+ DrownedBoy]

43 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

It’s a nightmare scenario. Definitely not worth even entertaining. I wouldn’t know what to do if confronted with someone overdosing. I’m so naive on all that. I don’t even drink alcohol 😂 and poppers make me feel nauseous! 

Oh yeah. I know several providers, including a regular, who told me that was their greatest fear.

However, that fear also extended to old men having heart attacks when they came.

[NJF]

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

Oh yeah. I know several providers, including a regular, who told me that was their greatest fear.

However, that fear also extended to old men having heart attacks when they came.

Young men die from heart attacks too 😂 

[+ The Big Guy]

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

Oh yeah. I know several providers, including a regular, who told me that was their greatest fear.

However, that fear also extended to old men having heart attacks when they came.

As an old man, I wouldn’t be any happier about the heart attack scenario but I could think of worse ways to go!  

[Jamie21]

7 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Oh yeah. I know several providers, including a regular, who told me that was their greatest fear.

However, that fear also extended to old men having heart attacks when they came.

Yes I’ve had a few older clients who I’ve wondered about that happening, especially at the moment of climax! 

I remember one time I’d visited a client at his hotel. We were on the bed and things were reaching their climax. Almost at the point where I think he’s almost there he breathlessly says to me “oh I need my pill, can you get them for me?”. I’m surprised and it puts me off a bit (I’m concentrating to try and climax with him). I say “Where are they?” whilst keeping going. “In my jacket pocket Jamie..”.

I look around and can see no jacket. He’s laying their eyes closed breathing heavily and jerking himself off. I pull out of him and look around the room for his jacket….can’t see it. I ask him “where’s your jacket Tom” (name changed for confidentiality!) but he’s so either into his jerking or out of it that he doesn’t hear me.

Now I’m starting to get concerned that he needs the pill…so I see a bottle of pills on the desk (next to his phone)…it must be them so I go back to the bed and give him them “is it these?”. He doesn’t answer or look but takes the bottle, then gives it back to me asking “open it please” because all this time he hasn’t stopped jerking himself and he can’t open it with one hand. This guys going to get there or die trying.

I open it, give him a pill and he pops it in (his mouth). I thank the gods silently that they’re not suppositories….”Jamie, put it on the end of your cock and slip it in…”. No that would not happen. My cock is no longer hard enough so I join him jerking. I’ve had enough drama now so I help him get there by asking him if he’d like me to cum on him. This seems to get him going more and he says “in my mouth”. It does the trick and he climaxes as I’m in his mouth (can’t feel any pill in there…it must have gone down).

After a few minutes laying there to chill I feel it’s the appropriate time to ask him what the pill was for. “It’s my heart Jamie, I have a condition”. He’s still laying there, eyes closed, and alive thankfully. I look at the pill box, they’re prescription strength rheumatoid arthritis pills (I know the pill, my mum takes them). I ponder this for a while…I check he’s still breathing. “Tom, are these the right pills?” I say, giving him the bottle.  “Were they in my jacket?” he asks…keeping his eyes closed but gesturing to his jacket which I’m sure has now appeared hanging on the back of a chair by the window…
 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Jamie21

[NJF]

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Yes I’ve had a few older clients who I’ve wondered about that happening, especially at the moment of climax! 

I remember one time I’d visited a client at his hotel. We were on the bed and things were reaching their climax. Almost at the point where I think he’s almost there he breathlessly says to me “oh I need my pill, can you get them for me?”. I’m surprised and it puts me off a bit (I’m concentrating to try and climax with him). I say “Where are they?” whilst keeping going. “In my jacket pocket Jamie..”.

I look around and can see no jacket. He’s laying their eyes closed breathing heavily and jerking himself off. I pull out of him and look around the room for his jacket….can’t see it. I ask him “where’s your jacket Tom” (name changed for confidentiality!) but he’s so either into his jerking or out of it that he doesn’t hear me.

Now I’m starting to get concerned that he needs the pill…so I see a bottle of pills on the desk (next to his phone)…it must be them so I go back to the bed and give him them “is it these?”. He doesn’t answer or look but takes the bottle, then gives it back to me asking “open it please” because all this time he hasn’t stopped jerking himself and he can’t open it with one hand. This guys going to get there or die trying.

I open it, give him a pill and he pops it in (his mouth). I thank the gods silently that they’re not suppositories….”Jamie, put it on the end of your cock and slip it in…”. No that would not happen. My cock is no longer hard enough so I join him jerking. I’ve had enough drama now so I help him get there by asking him if he’d like me to cum on him. This seems to get him going more and he says “in my mouth”. It does the trick and he climaxes as I’m in his mouth (can’t feel any pill in there…it must have gone down).

After a few minutes laying there to chill I feel it’s the appropriate time to ask him what the pill was for. “It’s my heart Jamie, I have a condition”. He’s still laying there, eyes closed, and alive thankfully. I look at the pill box, they’re prescription strength rheumatoid arthritis pills (I know the pill, my mum takes them). I ponder this for a while…I check he’s still breathing. “Tom, are these the right pills?” I say, giving him the bottle.  “Were they in my jacket?” he asks…keeping his eyes closed but gesturing to his jacket which I’m sure has now appeared hanging on the back of a chair by the window…
 

The wrong pill 😂. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

I keep thinking about the Dominick Dunne novel A Season in Purgatory. There's a side story where some old rich fart uses poppers then buys it while with his gigolo.

(in the book, unfortunately,  said gigolo stole stuff from the dead old man, so the dead man's daughter hunted him down and shot him)

Edited August 15, 2023 by DrownedBoy

[Nodalguy]

I am curious about your motivation for posting this, as you seem to bring this topic up repeatedly. If you don't want to do or be around drugs, don't discuss them or even mention in your profile that you do not want to be involved with them whatsoever. If you have an interest, then select PNP as one.

[tightroundass]

I have in the past had a few guys who party ..it was only way they could enjoy the massage. I didn't...got paid and enjoyed the company. 

[BonVivant]

This can be a wide ranging discussion given the breadth of what the term “drugs” covers (from very mild/socially acceptable to Kray-kray). Best for both sides to have an open discussion and not assume things. Also best if you know the person and trust them. Just in case. Just saying. 

[Nodalguy]

On 9/2/2023 at 5:16 AM, arnemgreeves said:

We got a posting regulator here. 

This suggests a strange interpretation of what I wrote.