solacesoul Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Caso Jeff Machado: Garoto de programa muda versão e revela 'frieza absurda' de produtor - Hugo Gloss HUGOGLOSS.UOL.COM.BR Jeander Vinícius da Silva Braga foi preso na última sexta (2), pela morte de Jeff Machado, e deu... pubic_assistance, marylander1940 and Danny-Darko 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacesoul Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 More on the suspected murderer here at O Globo. Use the Google Translate function in the Chrome web browser to translate these articles into English. Saiba quem é o segundo suspeito da morte de Jeff Machado OGLOBO.GLOBO.COM De acordo com depoimentos, Jeander Vinícius da Silva Braga era garoto de programa, conhecido... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Yeah... Going for cheap sex tourism in Rio is a fantastic idea right now. Sadly, this story seems to be being told more frequently. It's as if we don't expect pretty desperate people to do desperate things. While I love Rio and have been many, many times, it's a city I wouldn't currently visit based on feeling the need to constantly look over my shoulder. That's not a holiday for me. Last time I was there- about 4 months ago- I stayed at the Palace and watched three separate tourists get robbed over the course of a few days. Always mid-afternoon and right in front of the hotel. In all of my visits, I'd never felt Rio was as 'lawless' as it felt this time. marylander1940, Danny-Darko and pubic_assistance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Lucky Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Well, duh, I have my ticket to Rio. You can get robbed anywhere. On my very first trip to Rio, on the very first night, I was walking along the beach road and just past the Marriott there was a body under a tree, covered with a tarp, and a large stick poking through the body. Scary, yes. But if I had turned tail and went home, I would have missed out on many great trips to Rio. Edited June 7, 2023 by Lucky add pubic_assistance and marylander1940 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Yeah a tarp and a sturdy stick usually tracks as a makeshift shelter for an impoverished unhoused individual, possibly collapsed. It wouldn’t typically denote having been shish-kabobbed but the inhabitant might be hungry for one. How unsettling a field observation, though. Edited June 7, 2023 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 4,999/5,000 Brazilians are not murdered each year. Difficult to quantify x/5,000 consumers of male commercial sex work trade whose lives are spared. Possibly a bit south of 4,999, though controlling for the overall genpop rate. The clues and tips embedded in the media reports are certainly useful for consideration. We will undoubtedly witness again here a conflating of city safety with the risks of sexual interaction for compensation in kind. The posting of the article is and should be ‘fear porn’ relevant to the small band of punters situated in greater harm’s way. Edited June 7, 2023 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Did you read the news, guys? I think we are comparing apples and oranges. The victim was not a tourist, but another Brazilian The GP is only the second suspect The mastermind was a TV producer who manipulated the boy Once again. Be careful, as you should be. But you should not let fear-mongering narratives cloud your judgment. By the way, anecdotal information is useless, but I was In Rio last April and November. I even got lost a few times and walked alone in not-very-nice neighborhoods. I have never seen a crime, and I have never felt unsafe. Indeed, Rio is dangerous, and you have to be careful. Be careful. Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, solacesoul said: More on the suspected murderer here at O Globo. Use the Google Translate function in the Chrome web browser to translate these articles into English. Saiba quem é o segundo suspeito da morte de Jeff Machado OGLOBO.GLOBO.COM De acordo com depoimentos, Jeander Vinícius da Silva Braga era garoto de programa, conhecido... He used to be hot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacesoul Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said: He used to be hot! The actor-client might have been considered “hot” by most as well. The comments sections of various news reporting sites are filled with questions from readers about why a handsome, successful guy like him would *need* to hire a male prostitute — these commenters not understanding at all the dynamics of transactional sex. Clients run the gamut in physical appearance and attractiveness. Some pay for ease, for discretion, for variety. Some prefer to pay just so that the sex partner will go away afterwards. Some are into sex partners that are not in their social circles and thus, are not easily obtained. In any event, not every client *looks* like they have to pay for it. + Lucky, + José Soplanucas, Danny-Darko and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) What costs a soap actor more than paying for sex? Picking up a dinner tab and not paying for sex. -/// Hot is relative. He’s headed to the 95th percentile of smokin’, and has the pedigree to boot. Edited June 8, 2023 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyboy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said: Yeah... Going for cheap sex tourism in Rio is a fantastic idea right now. Sadly, this story seems to be being told more frequently. It's as if we don't expect pretty desperate people to do desperate things. While I love Rio and have been many, many times, it's a city I wouldn't currently visit based on feeling the need to constantly look over my shoulder. That's not a holiday for me. Last time I was there- about 4 months ago- I stayed at the Palace and watched three separate tourists get robbed over the course of a few days. Always mid-afternoon and right in front of the hotel. In all of my visits, I'd never felt Rio was as 'lawless' as it felt this time. That is the exact location where I was mugged in 2005. Rio has a crime problem and it’s obviously getting worse. Edited June 8, 2023 by sydneyboy pubic_assistance and Danny-Darko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) OK some insidious AI bot has picked up on a particular threshold of quantity of CoPal muggings references and I’ve lost all capacity for critical thought. Got me. I give in to the force. Message received. The Atlantic is off limits. It is not the last of it. New season coming pending strike resolution. Spoiler alert hints: “BM2.0”; “posto”. In the meantime, reruns. Loop it again and again and again … —- Can I trade a concession off for a promise? Let’s make a deal, studio execs. Edited June 8, 2023 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny-Darko Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 12:27 AM, sydneyboy said: That is the exact location where I was mugged in 2005. Rio has a crime problem and it’s obviously getting worse. And it's not just Rio either! Brazil has completely turned me off. Hot Brazilian men can now be found all over US, Canada and Europe and even further east, so no need to go there to meet them. Yes it'll cost more but... pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 4:20 PM, Lucky said: You can get robbed anywhere technically true - but very naive. the big problem in Rio is the very small geographic footprint for tourists which is entirely predictable & surrounded by favelas on all sides with desperate people. Some on drugs, some drug dealers, some violent, some gangs - all looking for an easy mark. there is not another global tourist destination like Rio’s Zona Sul and it’s beaches surrounded by slums and all the people mix near the beach. It does not exist anywhere else. say what you want - the fact is if you’re anywhere from Leme to Leblon, you’re a target and being surveilled several times each day. If going into an environment where being vulnerable and a target gets you off, by all means go. sydneyboy and pubic_assistance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 7:58 PM, solacesoul said: In any event, not every client *looks* like they have to pay for it. Thank you. YES Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 10 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said: technically true - but very naive. the big problem in Rio is the very small geographic footprint for tourists which is entirely predictable & surrounded by favelas on all sides with desperate people. Some on drugs, some drug dealers, some violent, some gangs - all looking for an easy mark. there is not another global tourist destination like Rio’s Zona Sul and it’s beaches surrounded by slums and all the people mix near the beach. It does not exist anywhere else. say what you want - the fact is if you’re anywhere from Leme to Leblon, you’re a target and being surveilled several times each day. If going into an environment where being vulnerable and a target gets you off, by all means go. Replace favelas with projects and beaches with museums and monuments; you would be talking about Washington, DC. pubic_assistance and + Lucky 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 11 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said: the big problem in Rio is the very small geographic footprint for tourists which is entirely predictable & surrounded by favelas on all sides with desperate people. Some on drugs, some drug dealers, some violent, some gangs - all looking for an easy mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacesoul Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said: you’re a target and being surveilled several times each day Kindly provide some examples of what you mean by this. I’m not going to affirm or deny this statement until I can better understand it. + Lucky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) On 6/27/2023 at 2:02 PM, José Soplanucas said: Replace favelas with projects and beaches with museums and monuments; you would be talking about Washington, DC. perhaps it appears that way for affluent privileged tourists in Rio - but that's not how Cariocas perceive their own city I love Rio - it doesn't do any good to minimize the reality of crime there. And, no it's not comparable to DC in any circumstances Plus - the wildcard in Rio is so many tourists going for sex tourism which puts customers at higher risk and some getting mixed up in drug trade. That doesn't happen in DC. It's not in any way comparable to touring federal buildings and the Smithsonian. Nobody is going to DC for sex tourism I get that the reaction to Rio criticism is to defend and rationalize your trips - I did it too. Its much more real to say something like "I'm a sex tourist and I'm willing to go to a dangerous city because the low costs, variety & availability of sex trade justifies the risk" That's honest Edited June 28, 2023 by SouthOfTheBorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 23 hours ago, solacesoul said: Kindly provide some examples of what you mean by this. every time I've been to Rio I've witnessed multiple crimes every day. Most often it's petty robbery at the beach - happens in a blink of an eye with kids surveilling who they rob, then can grab & run. I've seen many robberies on the streets which is usually a phone or necklace grab & run I've also seen an abduction via home invasion from an Ipanema oceanfront condo in broad daylight. I've witnessed a gunfight between two rival gangs in Ipanema about 7p on Farme de Amoeda. Most of the tourist, sex trade & drug related crime is underreported due to people leaving, embarrassment, etc None of this is new information or surprising to anyone who's been there a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said: perhaps it appears that way for affluent privileged tourists in Rio - but that's not how Cariocas perceive their own city I love Rio - it doesn't do any good to minimize the reality of crime there. And, no it's not comparable to DC in any circumstances Plus - the wildcard in Rio is so many tourists going for sex tourism which puts customers at higher risk and some getting mixed up in drug trade. That doesn't happen in DC. It's not in any way comparable to touring federal buildings and the Smithsonian. Nobody is going to DC for sex tourism I get that the reaction to Rio criticism is to defend and rationalize your trips - I did it too. Its much more real to say something like "I'm a sex tourist and I'm willing to go to a dangerous city because the low costs, variety & availability of sex trade justifies the risk" That's honest Sure! Please, stay away! You will not be safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said: Sure! Please, stay away! You will not be safe! been there, done that - about a dozen times the point is to be honest about what it is - that's responsible. If the idea is to give forum members realistic expectations, minimizing what goes on doesn't help a visit to Rio can be done without incident if you want to be hyper-vigilant at all times & acknowledge the real risk all around. Anything else is playing the odds and your number will come up eventually. Ask any long time Rio resident- they've all been robbed And if you're a typical gringo that doesn't speak Portuguese wandering the streets of Rio - good luck Edited June 28, 2023 by SouthOfTheBorder solacesoul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacesoul Posted June 28, 2023 Author Share Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said: I've witnessed a gunfight between two rival gangs in Ipanema about 7p on Farme de Amoeda. You were there, too? This occurred on one of my longterm stays. Everyone ran for cover into whatever building or store front was still open. A few years ago, there was a huge favela crime-related fight on Copacabana Beach that ended in the entire crowd being dispersed with tear gas. A year or so later, there was a similar one on Ipanema Beach. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 gee, you guys get to see all the cool stuff!..... best I have is a pharmacy lady telling me I should wear my backpack in front rather than in back........ oh, and the desperate/hungry dude on Copa Beach trying to rob nearby bathers' stuff...... + José Soplanucas and + Lucky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, solacesoul said: You were there, too? unfortunately, my sense is that a gang shoot-out in Ipanema is not unusual. The experience I'm referencing was 2008 or thereabouts. When I need a Brazil fix now, I go to SP. Much safer & less likely to have problems Edited June 28, 2023 by SouthOfTheBorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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