Those who go all the way with masseurs, why not just escorts instead?

[Guest]

I'm going to ask a question that I bet many are wondering.  I see a lot of righteous indignation in the posts.  This site is clearly a discussion of the types of massage services provided by sites like RM and MF.  It's clear that just like in the spectrum of attraction from pure straight to pure gay that there are many flavors in-between like bisexual, pansexual, asexual.  Everyone has different preferences and interests.  So, I guess my question is why subscribe to and participate in a forum that openly discusses the types of services you are clearly triggered and offended by? Isn't this participation a violation of that code of ethics you hold so dearly?  This is honestly starting to read like the preacher who must "do the Lord's work" by going to go to the titty bar to compel the men to repent of their lustful ways - every Tuesday during happy hour.

It's definitely a slippery-slope with licensing and legalities.  Personally, I use RM and MF.  I seek out those listed as LMT and CMT. I don't go in with expectations, but hope there will be more.  I enjoy it when it happens.  I had a massage on Sunday evening that was pure therapeutic and I left satisfied as a customer. I went back to my airbnb and took care of my other business myself.  - Now I would be lying if I didn't hope that that business might have been taken care of during my session.  For me it's a learning process of finding body positivity and self-acceptance.  That may sound odd and I can share more of my story in private if anyone cares. 

 

[Wanderoz]

11 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

The irony of all of this revolves around your screen name. The  “Mr. Humphries” I remember, (licensed or not) would definitely be one of the naughtiest masseurs in the industry…. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

Which raises the eternal question of how

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[Peter Eater]

On 2/2/2023 at 5:07 PM, Thelatin said:

I hired a masseuse a while back.  He sat on my face and commented “I’m not even professionally trained”.

I’ve been back twice…..

Since a masseuse is a woman, maybe she was trying to distract you!

[+ APPLE1]

On 2/10/2023 at 2:42 AM, Jamie21 said:

I tried lots of the usual things (eventually you hit on the thing that starts to get the person going).

And sometimes I am paying to be SELFISH! in addition to the buildup, sensual touch, teasing, great massage, getting to know one another, and all the other great points made here, sometimes I just want the first 1/2 or 3/4 of our time to be about ME! I don't want to care about, or even hear about someone else being pleased, or moaning with pleasure. I want the hands and body of another discovering, trying, and working exclusively for MY pleasures. If I am in  a ME, ME, ME mentality, I find an erotic masseur will accomplish that much better than an escort.

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[Simon Suraci]

The OP question makes sense to me. If you’re ultimately wanting to go all the way, seems reasonable to hire an escort. I get the points about hiring a masseur to get all the enjoyable aspects of building up arousal, relaxation, foreplay, and the element of something unexpected and unscripted. All of that is fine and I agree on many points.

Frankly, a good escort should be able to do all of these things well, minus the technical/therapeutic massage bit. Not just drop trow and shove it into you/him. Bonus if your escort has pro massage skills and he can incorporate a great therapeutic massage with some erotic play into the buildup time to full service activities. Still not entirely necessary to have a great escort experience though.

My issue with this question is what the client is paying. Is the client expecting or requesting to pay a massage rate for an escort experience, including full service? That’s unreasonable.

Here is another unreasonable scenario: The client wants a full hour or longer of skilled massage (therapeutic and/or erotic) AND wants an extra hour (or portion thereof) ON TOP OF THAT to do a full service escort session, BUT only wants to pay the rate of one single hour of escort service. In my view, that’s asking the provider to give a skilled massage for free. Purchase one hour of escort service at full price and get one hour of skilled massage for free!  How typical is this in your experiences? Do you think it’s fair?

I find chatting with my peers that they are providing a mix of *some* level of escort service with their massage rate, and their rate is clearly way more than a reasonable massage rate, but not quite high enough to be on par with a typical escort rate. I wonder: is this overcharging for massage or undercharging for escort service?

It gets pretty muddy to me, which is why I like to think of it as two distinct services with different rates and expectations for each. You can combined them in the same session, of course, but you break it out for pricing purposes. You get A, B, and C for the massage rate over a given time. You get X, Y, and Z for the escort rate over that time. 

Here’s a scenario I find reasonable: client hires one hour of escort service at the provider’s escort rate and requests some massage time WITHIN that hour. The massage portion ends up being 15-30 mins and includes foreplay, erotic buildup, etc, and you spend the remainder of the hour on full service activities.

Is this crazy of me to think that massage has its own value, and that escort service has its own (higher) value and that the client should pay for each, respectively? Or is the client expectation that escorts should provide free pro massage services in addition to their full service time? Do you guys typically receive free massages when you hire an escort? Or free escort service when you hire massage? What are your experiences and what are your expectations?

Keep in mind total time spent on each activity, and whether it’s actually skilled massage or just an escort playing at massage to indulge you. Do you think you should be paying more? If so, in which scenarios? If not, in which scenarios?

Would you be willing to pay time and rate for each service, or is this a reach on the part of the provider? Example: 60 mins of pro massage (pay their massage rate) + 60 mins of full service escort activities (pay their escort rate).

Genuinely curious because this comes up a lot. I know everyone wants a deal regardless, but I’m wondering if I’m swimming upstream in light of some norms, or if the client is simply shopping around for a deal with whoever is willing to agree to do more for the same or less as another provider.

Hoping to hear from the client side what they think is reasonable and what is more normal/typical in their experience.

[Lewis372NYC]

7 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

. You can combined them in the same session, of course, but you break it out for pricing purposes. You get A, B, and C for the massage rate over a given time. You get X, Y, and Z for the escort rate over that time

I wish it were easier to find this combo. Many providers classify a session as being one or the other and refuse to blend the 2 even if they provide both services. The solution of hiring someone for escorts rates and dedicating some of the time to massage leaves the client paying more than they might of the option to blend both were available.

Maybe providers could advertise that as an option on rentmen or hint at it as an option on RM--it would be interesting to see whether that brought them new clients

[NyGold]

On 4/28/2023 at 2:45 PM, Simon Suraci said:

The OP question makes sense to me. If you’re ultimately wanting to go all the way, seems reasonable to hire an escort. 

My first experiences hiring were with masseurs and I was actually told by people suggesting it that it was a cheaper way to access escorts. Now that I look back it’s offensive to professionals both those defining themselves as escorts and as masseurs. 

But it’s also been the case that most massages I’ve booked have had the masseur himself trying to take it to something more. On one occasion one even whispered in my ear something like “if you tip me would have a lot more fun” (out of the blue, wasn’t like I was taking it in a direction and he was responding to that).  So I figured out there was different pricing for a reason and now I’m clearer about paying for and booking what I want and what the provider is offering without blurring lines. 
 

[Simon Suraci]

52 minutes ago, NyGold said:

people suggesting it that it was a cheaper way to access escorts.

This is so common. It sucks being treated like a discount sex worker. While it may be true that some masseurs are escorts or offer equivalent services, equitable pricing is different for each service. If you’re getting way, way more than massage and not being charged for it, be sure to tip generously.

[pubic_assistance]

On 4/29/2023 at 8:42 PM, Simon Suraci said:

This is so common. It sucks being treated like a discount sex worker. While it may be true that some masseurs are escorts or offer equivalent services, equitable pricing is different for each service. If you’re getting way, way more than massage and not being charged for it, be sure to tip generously.

If a massage session ever develops into a full escort session, my "tip" is to double his massage fee.

I'm never looking for a discount sex session. I genuinely like a good massage. Sometimes I like the masseur enough that I feel like going further. But I never know that part until I'm already in his company. 

[Simon Suraci]

Just now, pubic_assistance said:

If a massage session ever develops into a full escort session, my "tip" is to double his massage fee.

 

That’s a good baseline. Something along the lines of $150 for an hour long massage vs simply hiring him at $300 for full service in the first place. Ideally each party agrees to what is happening and rates beforehand, but lacking that, I think this is fair.

We’ve already discussed upselling elsewhere so I won’t get into it. I generally avoid upselling during the session.