Can you get by without hosting?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Namely because the hotel check-in process, always seems to go wrong. In the past couple weeks: I’ve had 3 hotels that couldn’t get my key card to work, and another that had some issue with the 3rd party I booked on. Each time, anywhere from 15-20 minutes gets burned up, which is time I need to get settled.

All the while, the client is waiting and I’m looking bad. I always try to tell clients let me get to the hotel first, and then I’ll notify you to come. But very often they want a specific time and then show up early. It doesn’t leave room for something to go wrong. 

Not to mention, hotel prices are barely making any sense. I may not ALWAYS have funds available for a hotel + deposit. Sometimes the friends and family, AAA, points, come in handy but not always.

It would be great if more clients can host, because it puts the expectation on us to “always be ready” at home even when we can host. I don’t even get the hotel clients much where I currently live, like when I lived in Dallas and Orlando. I almost want to tell clients they need to book a hotel if they can’t host at home either. But then they’ll expect me to discount the rate, etc. if they agree to it at all. Most aren’t going to, even when they know they can’t host.
 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[pubic_assistance]

7 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

It's frustrating that many clients can’t host.

Lots of married men hire.

I personally find it strange that someone who knows he can't host and knows the provider of his choice can't host, would be so classless as to expect the provider to pay for a hotel.

A gentleman always takes care of the details.

 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I have done the necessary things like getting separate cards to put them on, but on a day to day basis…since my home market is so lacking (barely even getting 1 or 2 clients a week), I rarely have funds available for a hotel + deposit. 

Jarrod, I'll be honest with you, even though it might not be what you want to hear. 

If your particular situation and market has you living week-to-week and maxing out credit cards as a full time escort, it's time to look for other income sources. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Lots of married men hire.

I personally find it strange that someone who knows he can't host and knows the provider of his choice can't host, would be so classless as to expect the provider to pay for a hotel.

A gentleman always takes care of the details.

 

I want to completely agree with this, but there are always caveats.

Married men sometimes have wives/husbands who are suspect and check all charges and cash pulls.

Sure, there are ways around it, but for sake of ease, many just see escorts who bring their own room to the equation. 

That said, I'd fully agree that 'a gentleman always takes care of the details.'

Edited September 11, 2022 by BenjaminNicholas

[KrisParr]

One of my providers went from hotel hosting to using a condo that he found through an Airbnb/Vrbo arrangement. From what he tells me, the agency who lists the place doesn’t know that the owner also has an arrangement with my provider. Kind of odd and not quite on the up-and-up, but it seems to work out. And it’s a beautiful place. When it’s not being officially “rented” the provider pays the owner by the hour which is much less than a hotel room.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

4 hours ago, Dante said:

Jarrod, I'll be honest with you, even though it might not be what you want to hear. 

If your particular situation and market has you living week-to-week and maxing out credit cards as a full time escort, it's time to look for other income sources. 

Well, that’s a more complex topic and I don’t think that belongs to this thread. Here’s the thing: I DO have other sources. The main thing is hosting. It’s easy to throw suggestions out without really taking into consideration the other person’s  circumstances. Last thing I need is someone to harp and try to criticize a situation. Don’t go there with me ✋🏾 Unless you ask me personally what the situation is, don’t make assumptions. Plus I know people who are in better shape than me financially, in other lines of work…and they can’t host either. So it has nothing to do with living “week by week”. Let’s just be clear on that. 

And I should mention: I do host part-time from a place in 1 of the cities I reside (and this is partly why I can’t take on a extra work because I’m not in the same location full time), however that’s only when I’m in that city. When I’m in the other area I reside, or traveling to a different city, I don’t have accommodations to host readily available. Doable when I’m traveling but not so much when I have to leave “home” and go to a hotel.

It somewhat worked back when I first came to the area, but then the clients kept booking more last minute, not minding to book more in advance, or they wouldn’t be available on the days/time I could give them. So I’ve tried to just switch to outcalls only in particular areas. 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, KrisParr said:

One of my providers went from hotel hosting to using a condo that he found through an Airbnb/Vrbo arrangement. From what he tells me, the agency who lists the place doesn’t know that the owner also has an arrangement with my provider. Kind of odd and not quite on the up-and-up, but it seems to work out. And it’s a beautiful place. When it’s not being officially “rented” the provider pays the owner by the hour which is much less than a hotel room.

This is what I need and I’ve tried to arrange here and there. I sorta have an agreement like this where I host from in one city. It has a private separate entry to use. But it’s small overall and not somewhere I can be full time.

I also knew a guy in Kansas City and his partner who has an Airbnb they lived/rented part time, but they wanted to rent it full price and not allow guests. Sucks because it’s prime location. 
 

I’m about ready to just re-land in another city and get a regular spot. Hotels suck. But so do apartments. I’ve been shopping around and literally can’t find anything I’m interested in. Either doors are too close, or it’s upstairs, or parking is an issue. Or out of budget.

I wouldn’t mind a private cottage in the woods somewhere. Sometimes houses aren’t really discreet if they’re too close to each other.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ DynamicUno]

I've usually met providers at their location, or had them come to a hotel room that I paid for.  If they got a hotel room just for our meeting, then I should pay the additional cost for the room.  

It doesn't seem like it should be that complicated.

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by DynamicUno

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, DynamicUno said:

I've usually met providers at their location, or had them come to a hotel room that I paid for.  If they got a hotel room just for our meeting, then I should pay the additional cost for the room.  

It doesn't seem like it should be that complicated.

 

 

 

Right? You would think…but it’s not.

Often times if one tells a client they’re getting a room “just for our meeting”, they’ll say, “well don’t get it just for me”. Well then what do you want lol. Some people contradict situations beyond what is reasonably called for. 

That’s why I no longer book anything “just for” one person, and I tell them no: I’m not booking it JUST for you, I’m going to stay there overnight too. And/or take more bookings if I need to, if I’ve paid for it. But since you’re priority and it’s no guarantee I will fill in an extra booking, it needs to be settled accordingly.

What I decided to do for now is up my deposit for incalls moreso than for outcall sessions. Outcalls are generally much easier. I have considered before to stop offering incalls in my local market, but it’s next to impossible because that’ll be 99% of all bookings. It’s disappointing that so many clients can’t host in one area. 
 

But like someone said, when everybody is married or DL, this is what you have to work with. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I’ve come up with a temporary solution from now until I can get back into a full time incall spot:

Going to be adding an extra $100 to bookings where I have to host. Leaning more towards $100, but maybe $50-75 as a midpoint. Regardless if I have 1 or 3 clients booked that day. Just like restaurants charge the cost of a bottle for 1 glass, I pretty much have to let the hotel be more profitable. 

Having to go out and get a hotel from home or even when I’m already traveling is costing me more than just money. It’s time looking, booking, etc.  dealing with incompetent hotel staff/annoying guests who come 5 in a group, take up 15 minutes to check in when I have a client on the way: also stresses me out. And I just haven’t been getting paid enough to do it.

Example: last Friday I booked a room to host on Priceline, pre-paid $87. But upon arrival, there was mixup that the hotel couldn’t charge the 3rd party’s credit card. Half hour waiting went by, and decided I just throw down my card and have them charge it until they figured it out. That amount is still tied up on my account, right when it’s time for my RentMen ad renewal, which is also $80.

I can’t keep covering the costs to host. People need to just get it out their heads that everyone can just easily host them anytime on a dime. It’s costing me money out of pocket to do so, and I’m not earning enough back when it’s only 1, maybe 2 clients who book in a day.

There’s an (female) escort in San Francisco who charges an extra $200 “rush fee” for same day bookings and I think an extra to host as well. I’m not necessarily going that route, but it’s time to start adding onto rates where it takes extra time and money.

Many clients just want to hear a 1 number rate, and expect it to cover every situation. No. If it costs me more, I have to charge more. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[rn901]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:02 PM, DynamicUno said:

I've usually met providers at their location, or had them come to a hotel room that I paid for.  If they got a hotel room just for our meeting, then I should pay the additional cost for the room.  

It doesn't seem like it should be that complicated.

 

 

 

The simplest matters are made unnecessarily extraordinarily complicated in this work. Date, time, location. Why must that be an insurmountable challenge for so many? Every day I'm continuously amazed. When a client communicates clearly, lays everything out about what they want, gets to the point on the details of location time and books an appointment in advance, it is like reading pure poetry.  

[Jamie21]

21 hours ago, rn901 said:

The simplest matters are made unnecessarily extraordinarily complicated in this work. Date, time, location. Why must that be an insurmountable challenge for so many? Every day I'm continuously amazed. When a client communicates clearly, lays everything out about what they want, gets to the point on the details of location time and books an appointment in advance, it is like reading pure poetry.  

Yes, those clients get immediate attention. They’ve done their research, made plans (in advance) and made a decision. I do my best to accommodate them. It’s quite rare to get enquiries like that unfortunately! 

[MiamiLooker]

If you're unable to host, wouldn't you simply state that in your ad?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, MiamiLooker said:

If you're unable to host, wouldn't you simply state that in your ad?

I do simply state that in my ad. Most recently I had to make it a little clearer. Though I never implied I couldn’t host.

Many times especially on RentMasseur where it doesn’t layout the profile with profile text first: few ever reads my ad. That’s why on occasion I’ll hide my number because, they just look at pictures, click my number, yet have no idea about what my limitations and preferences are to the most essential details. I even say in my ad what my hosting hours are, to correspond with hotels (anytime after 11 a.m.  or before 3 p.m. is not a good time to schedule unless I’m there consecutive nights). people still contact me asking to meet outside those times.

I will admit part of the confusion lies with the layout of RMass. There’s lots of info but nothing that directly points to directions before contacting. I should ask when people click our number, we need to be able to have a message in there of our own. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[MiamiLooker]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I do simply state that in my ad. Most recently I had to make it a little clearer. Though I never implied I couldn’t host.

Many times especially on RentMasseur where it doesn’t layout the profile with profile text first: few ever reads my ad. That’s why on occasion I’ll hide my number because, they just look at pictures, click my number, yet have no idea about what my limitations and preferences are to the most essential details. I even say in my ad what my hosting hours are, to correspond with hotels (anytime after 11 a.m.  or before 3 p.m. is not a good time to schedule unless I’m there consecutive nights). people still contact me asking to meet outside those times.

I will admit part of the confusion lies with the layout of RMass. There’s lots of info but nothing that directly points to directions before contacting. I should ask when people click our number, we need to be able to have a message in there of our own. 

I can understand your frustrations, but you seem to be addressing them by making things more difficult for clients to hire you. It may be working for you, but if most other escorts make the hiring process easier than you, that’s going to be the client’s expectation.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

14 hours ago, MiamiLooker said:

I can understand your frustrations, but you seem to be addressing them by making things more difficult for clients to hire you. It may be working for you, but if most other escorts make the hiring process easier than you, that’s going to be the client’s expectation.

Who is most other escorts? Not the same ones people mention who flake out or don’t answer their phones when the client shows up?

It’s not necessarily about making things more difficult, it’s just having the right to run things the way a person sees fit. I don’t have to do what “most” other escorts do, because not all escorts have the same circumstances as one another.

Plus, unless you ask you really don’t know what someone’s situation is. They can display whatever they want you to hear in their ads, or likewise leave out whatever. In my case, I have to address hosting because that’s often the majority of requests I get.

So I’m telling people I can host, but I’m not just able to take it any way they want to show up. It’s not just showing up anymore. I need deposit. That’s not being difficult, that’s called boundaries. And running an individual show.

Now I have asked myself the same, and I have been either feeling the effect from it or just from the general MonkeyPox stuff that’s been slowing things down already. So I have relaxed on outcalls for the time being. However incalls still need to be handled a certain way.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

And to add; nothing is difficult about what I’m asking. It’s all very elementary stuff. If you can go to RentMasseur, or RentMen, look thru profiles, and go thru the trouble and difficulty of contacting your interest: It’s a piece of cake logging onto Venmo or Cash App and clicking 1 button to confirm a session.

The real part that’s difficult? TRUST. T R U S T. And it seems to lack for some. For example: the other day I was trying to book a client who contacted me. I mentioned my deposit. No, he only pays cash (lies). Okay, I’ll make an exception (any time I have to say that, they rarely pan out anyway). Then I asked for something like a pic (I don’t normally but he just wasn’t giving me enough essential info about him/what he was looking for, and I felt like I needed a pic before I was going to travel to the next city and meet him). He’s like nope, doesn’t want to do that either, and that he’s cancelling.

There’s a difference between being discreet and being uncompromising. You can’t just go around and expect providers to run things the way you want them to be. Plus, when I sent a cancellation fee request: he had his picture already public on the payment app 🤦🏽‍♂️ 

There’s even tons of discussions out on Reddit about these topics:

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut