Burner numbers

[Boink]

I saw this added to a provider's profile:  "Will not meet with nor reply to app generated telephone numbers".

Are these numbers offensive somehow?  I didn't even know they were 'detectable' by the recipient.

Could this be why a provider I've been trying to reach won't even respond to me?

[Jamie21]

I didn’t realise it was possible to tell the difference either. There are sites where you can check out numbers against lists of known troublemakers. I occasionally use them.

Sometimes I get calls from ‘number withheld’ and I don’t answer them. If someone wants to avoid revealing their number they can always reach me and book via email. Otherwise I’ll answer calls from any number but I prefer clients to text or WhatsApp first. If they want to talk then we can arrange a time for a phone call.

Why don’t I like answering random calls? Because invariably the caller will ask about what happens etc and I’m usually not in a position to discuss all the details in case I’m overheard. Therefore I prefer that we arrange a time  via text and then I can make sure I’m somewhere discreet for a conversation. I find the older clients prefer to book via a phone call. Sometimes it is nice to talk and answer questions in person. Texts can be misinterpreted but of course it is easier to arrange via text when people are busy. 

[Kevin Slater]

3 hours ago, Boink said:

I saw this added to a provider's profile:  "Will not meet with nor reply to app generated telephone numbers".

Are these numbers offensive somehow?  I didn't even know they were 'detectable' by the recipient.

Yes.  They tell me there's a high probability he's not sincere (i.e. isn't going to show up).  And he's likely to be one of the fellows I've blocked before, trying again from a new, fake number.  In any case, at some point I'm either going to have to give him my address or show up to his, neither of which I'm willing to do if he can't trust me with a simple (real) phone number.  I realize I'm an outlier in my beliefs on this subject, which means you have plenty of other providers to chose from who don't have such reservations.

It's detectable because when I call back (which I always do) I'll get some bullshit message saying something like "the text-to-mail customer you're calling isn't available right now...".

3 hours ago, Boink said:

Could this be why a provider I've been trying to reach won't even respond to me?

Yes.  If it were me, there'd be no confusion on that issue.

Kevin Slater

[+ The Big Guy]

2 hours ago, Kevin Slater said:

It's detectable because when I call back (which I always do) I'll get some bullshit message saying something like "the text-to-mail customer you're calling isn't available right now...".

I think this is the only way it is detectable.  I use the burner app and never have a problem getting a response from a provider. A regular is the only guy that ever calls me and I do have to hit a number to accept the call.  Funny thing is that I think he uses a burner number as well as his caller ID shows up as a different number when he calls  than his burner number when he texts.  This sounds confusing but it all makes me wonder how much protection I am buying by using the burner….but I don’t plan to change.

[Boink]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Why don’t I like answering random calls? Because invariably the caller will ask about what happens etc and I’m usually not in a position to discuss all the details in case I’m overheard. Therefore I prefer that we arrange a time  via text and then I can make sure I’m somewhere discreet for a conversation.

Totally agree! And it's the same reason I don't like making random calls.

[JTtorretto]

On 6/1/2022 at 3:30 PM, Kevin Slater said:

Yes.  They tell me there's a high probability he's not sincere (i.e. isn't going to show up).  And he's likely to be one of the fellows I've blocked before, trying again from a new, fake number.  In any case, at some point I'm either going to have to give him my address or show up to his, neither of which I'm willing to do if he can't trust me with a simple (real) phone number.  I realize I'm an outlier in my beliefs on this subject, which means you have plenty of other providers to chose from who don't have such reservations.

It's detectable because when I call back (which I always do) I'll get some bullshit message saying something like "the text-to-mail customer you're calling isn't available right now...".

Yes.  If it were me, there'd be no confusion on that issue.

Kevin Slater

Completely agree with everything in Kevin's post; I don't trust the sincerity of someone using a fake # based on experience.
 

  If a guy is a adamant, declaring he must be extra discreet due to being married, I ask for a small deposit via CashApp (which can be done anon) of $20 to show he's serious about meeting.  
 

 

[Kevin Slater]

How do you do anon via cashapp?

Kevin Slater

[JTtorretto]

Cash app allows you to state any name you like when opening an account.  Thus, a lot of folks have a nickname, alias associated with their cash app account.  

[Jamie21]

On 6/2/2022 at 12:07 AM, Boink said:

Totally agree! And it's the same reason I don't like making random calls.

Although at least if you’re the one making the call then you can do it from a discreet and quiet location. I’ve answered calls before whilst shopping in the supermarket. It’s difficult to describe a sensual massage in terms of a shopping list …. “Yes your er 🍆 is rubbed, you can touch my 🍑….oh and of course there’s plenty of 🥛”

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 6/5/2022 at 6:26 PM, JTtorretto said:

Completely agree with everything in Kevin's post; I don't trust the sincerity of someone using a fake # based on experience.
 

  If a guy is a adamant, declaring he must be extra discreet due to being married, I ask for a small deposit via CashApp (which can be done anon) of $20 to show he's serious about meeting.  
 

 

In my experience, if they can’t show their number: they aren’t much more likely to send a deposit either. 
 

I even had someone last week promise to send a deposit via cash app, and ended up not sending it and went missing the day of (fortunately, I made no concessions so didn’t really lose out). This after contacting me across 2 sites in addition to texting me.
 

It’s not even just the ones with burner numbers. I have iMessages/iPhone so I can see who’s contacting from those. Even those can be questionable. I can tell if anyone is using burner numbers too. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Boink]

I should have specified in my original post do TEXTS from a burner number offend or set off alarms somehow?  I can kind of understand not wanting to answer a call from a blocked number (although if I were in the provider business I would expect a certain amount of that).  But is there anything about a friendly text from an unrecognized number that would cause you to ignore or block it?  Is that somehow indicative of insincerity or a likelihood of flaking?

[Kevin Slater]

1 hour ago, Boink said:

I should have specified in my original post do TEXTS from a burner number offend or set off alarms somehow?  I can kind of understand not wanting to answer a call from a blocked number (although if I were in the provider business I would expect a certain amount of that).  But is there anything about a friendly text from an unrecognized number that would cause you to ignore or block it?  Is that somehow indicative of insincerity or a likelihood of flaking?

Yes.

Kevin Slater

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Boink said:

But is there anything about a friendly text from an unrecognized number that would cause you to ignore or block it?  Is that somehow indicative of insincerity or a likelihood of flaking?

To me, the friendliness and genuineness are the most important thing, and I have on occasions met great clients who texted me from burners. By and large though, whatever the causation or correlation might be, more time wasters use burners than genuine clients, so yes, a burner number is indicative of time wasting. 

So, using one wouldn't make me automatically ignore or block you, but using your real number will improve the impression you make. 

And I would just add, there are enough time wasters out there that I wouldn't blame any escort for just being done with answering texts from burners, especially if they have plenty of business without it. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Guest
wanted to add coment

[Boink]

11 hours ago, Dante said:

To me, the friendliness and genuineness are the most important thing, and I have on occasions met great clients who texted me from burners. By and large though, whatever the causation or correlation might be, more time wasters use burners than genuine clients, so yes, a burner number is indicative of time wasting. 

So, using one wouldn't make me automatically ignore or block you, but using your real number will improve the impression you make. 

And I would just add, there are enough time wasters out there that I wouldn't blame any escort for just being done with answering texts from burners, especially if they have plenty of business without it. 

Thanks for your answer, Dante.  As for texting, I do feel that there are legitimate reasons why a client might use a burner number, and assuming they're all flakes or time wasters is painting with a pretty big brush.  I'm sure there are plenty of flakes out there who use a 'legitimate' number.  And I'd bet there are plenty of escorts who use burner numbers, too. 

I'm really starting to resent the flakes out there who make it tough for us serious guys to make a deal.  🙂

[HoseMaster]

I know at least one guy who is a client on here who uses burner/bone phones with totally different numbers than his real phone. You can’t tell on these phones whether they come from a prepaid cell phone  or a real numbered cell phone as far as I can tell.  He uses it in case the escort gets crazy in some way, and doesn’t want a real number associated with him.  I’m pretty sure almost every escort on here has a separate “work” phone number too, so what’s the difference of a client has a separate “fun” number?  There’s more than one occasion where I’ve called an escort, and it’s a Google phone number.

[JTtorretto]

4 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

I know at least one guy who is a client on here who uses burner/bone phones with totally different numbers than his real phone. You can’t tell on these phones whether they come from a prepaid cell phone  or a real numbered cell phone as far as I can tell.  He uses it in case the escort gets crazy in some way, and doesn’t want a real number associated with him.  I’m pretty sure almost every escort on here has a separate “work” phone number too, so what’s the difference of a client has a separate “fun” number?  There’s more than one occasion where I’ve called an escort, and it’s a Google phone number.

FALSE:  "escorts use google voice"

  All of the professional escorts that I've ever known, use their actual real cell phone number.   
 

FALSE: "you can't tell when a number is fake"

There ARE ways to find out if someone is using a burner phone, voip, or google voice.  [not at liberty to say how]. 
 

In my experience 99.9% of guys using a fake / voip / google voice = are deadbeat  time wasters who have no intention of actually meeting up.  Fake numbers = zero accountability for keeping an appt thus its possible for the client to have a bit of "fun" at our expense, time and income.  👎🏻😡

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by JTtorretto

[JTtorretto]

On 6/7/2022 at 11:21 PM, Boink said:

Thanks for your answer, Dante.  As for texting, I do feel that there are legitimate reasons why a client might use a burner number, and assuming they're all flakes or time wasters is painting with a pretty big brush.  I'm sure there are plenty of flakes out there who use a 'legitimate' number.  And I'd bet there are plenty of escorts who use burner numbers, too. 

I'm really starting to resent the flakes out there who make it tough for us serious guys to make a deal.  🙂

Actually there are not that many flakes out there that use their real phone number; otherwise they get posted on MrNumber etc and we as escorts are able to post notes on the flakey client to warn each other.  
 

If one is honest and sincere about meeting, they use their real number and make an appt. There is no issue.  
 

It's the shady deadbeat wannabe "client" who's looking for free phone sex / sexting who is using the fake number. 

[HoseMaster]

6 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

FALSE:  "escorts use google voice"

  All of the professional escorts that I've ever known, use their actual real cell phone number.   
 

FALSE: "you can't tell when a number is fake"

There ARE ways to find out if someone is using a burner phone, voip, or google voice.  [not at liberty to say how]. 
 

In my experience 99.9% of guys using a fake / voip / google voice = are deadbeat  time wasters who have no intention of actually meeting up.  Fake numbers = zero accountability for keeping an appt thus its possible for the client to have a bit of "fun" at our expense, time and income.  👎🏻😡

 

1) I’ve ran across at least two escorts in my 17 years of hiring that used Google voice, and at least one of them had high remarks on here.

2) 99.9% of the escorts I’ve run across in these seventeen years DO use a burner phone.  They have a real phone for family and friends, and they have another “burner” phone (which they may keep during their entire career) with a completely different number for their clients and work.  Granted, their “burner” phone may be a nice iPhone too, but it is no different than some clients I know that have a completely separate phone and number.  I also use a separate number for first time contact, especially when I tried out Seeking Arrangements in the past.  I don’t know who I’m contacting, and if they end up being psycho or something, I don’t need to change my real number.  This was especially true with a few of the guys on Seeking Arrangements who were complete nut jobs.  Once I get to know the escort, I give them my real number.

Edited June 10, 2022 by HoseMaster

[Boink]

5 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

If one is honest and sincere about meeting, they use their real number and make an appt. There is no issue.  
 

It's the shady deadbeat wannabe "client" who's looking for free phone sex / sexting who is using the fake number. 

I could not disagree more.

[MikeBiDude]

The burner phone topic has come up before. I use the Burrner.app for the iPhone with much success. No provider has ever questioned its use…other than the occasional iPhone addict not understanding why my messages don’t look like iMessages 😉🤣

I use the burner for a few reasons:

• discretion
• I don’t want my work/family phone to have provider conversations visible (the burner app has its own passcode feature)
• On the rare occasion conversations go “bad” with a provider or seeking arrangement contact, I have the option to block and not get harassed 

I’m sure burner numbers can be abused. But in the hands of a mature provider/client they are handy.

[Boink]

5 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

The burner phone topic has come up before. I use the Burrner.app for the iPhone with much success. No provider has ever questioned its use…other than the occasional iPhone addict not understanding why my messages don’t look like iMessages 😉🤣

I use the burner for a few reasons:

• discretion
• I don’t want my work/family phone to have provider conversations visible (the burner app has its own passcode feature)
• On the rare occasion conversations go “bad” with a provider or seeking arrangement contact, I have the option to block and not get harassed 

I’m sure burner numbers can be abused. But in the hands of a mature provider/client they are handy.

I use mine to flake out, stalk, bother, and get myself off because I'm a shady, dishonest, insincere deadbeat.

[+ Lucky]

Your Iphone has a separate burner phone on it? I don't get it.

[leeper]

A few years back I used my personal cell phone with a somewhat infamous escort, known for being a bit flaky, but good if you actually meet up with him.  Later, I got a friend request from him on Facebook, using his actual name which he had mentioned to me.  I didn't realize FB had the ability to look up a person using only their cell phone number- a feature which I quickly disabled on my account.  After that I used the burner app for the same reasons MikeBiDude listed above.

[MikeBiDude]

39 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Your Iphone has a separate burner phone on it? I don't get it.

@Lucky it’s an app I pay for, downloaded from the App Store:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burner-text-call-message/id505800761
 

The app allows send/receive voice, texts, and photo. Currently does not support video.

 

[+ RJD]

1 hour ago, leeper said:

A few years back I used my personal cell phone with a somewhat infamous escort, known for being a bit flaky, but good if you actually meet up with him.  Later, I got a friend request from him on Facebook, using his actual name which he had mentioned to me.  I didn't realize FB had the ability to look up a person using only their cell phone number- a feature which I quickly disabled on my account.  After that I used the burner app for the same reasons MikeBiDude listed above.

I had something similar.  I reached out to a local provider via text to meet.  Our schedules weren't syncing up so I thanked him for his time and moved on.  His name (real name) started appearing in my "people you may know" feed on Facebook, but I never attempted a friend request.  As you pointed out, you need to be mindful of how technology works, especially if you're engaging in an activity or profession which requires discretion. 

My regular local guy uses a burner number and he also appeared in that same Facebook list.  I think that happened because our phones (iPhones) are near each other when we're together and can "communicate" with each other.  I immediately texted him to make him aware.  He thanked me and told me to send him the friend request if I wanted because I also appeared on his.  He wanted to "friend" me but didn't want to freak me out if I didn't want that.