Blackmail lists

[+ keroscenefire]

Criminals in the Netherlands are offering escorts money for their client contacts. These scammers pay 300 euros for 1,000 contacts and use the contacts to blackmail clients. They contact the Johns on Whatsapp and demand payments as high as 1250 euros or risk their contacts with sex workers being exposed to family and friends.

Apparently dozens of sex workers were offered money for contacts but most of them decided to respect their client's privacy. Hopefully nothing like this happens here in the US, but remember that nothing between you and an escort is necessarily completely private. 

Edited March 16, 2022 by keroscenefire
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[+ Lucky]

I doubt escorts are ready, willing, and able to sell out their clients. Granted, some kind of coercion would make that different.

[BeamerBikes]

Okie, whoopee, you got me...  brass tacks - did anyone call me cheap or an asshole?  That'd hurt.  

I get it'd work for some folks, but at this point in my life, go run tell that. 

[Kevin Slater]

1 hour ago, keroscenefire said:

These scammers pay 300 euros for 1,000 contacts and use the contacts to blackmail clients. They contact the Johns on Whatsapp and demand payments as high as 1250 euros

Well it sounds like the escorts are absolutely getting screwed in this deal!

Kevin Slater

[+ keroscenefire]

1 hour ago, Lucky said:

I doubt escorts are ready, willing, and able to sell out their clients. Granted, some kind of coercion would make that different.

According to the article, some escorts definitely did sell out their clients. There are some active blackmailing operations happening. The one sex worker they did contact for the article did say she would absolutely not sell her client contacts but said, "I know colleagues with thousands of euros in rent arrears. Then you may have to make more questionable choices." 

Now that I am no longer in education, this isn't as big of a deal to me. But if I was still teaching, I would be pretty cautious reading this article. 

[nate_sf]

1,000 contacts?!? How many escorts have that many contacts? And with all those clients, then sell them out for a measly 300 euros?

Agreeing with @Kevin Slater, it seems like a lousy deal for the escorts.

[+ keroscenefire]

1 hour ago, nate_sf said:

1,000 contacts?!? How many escorts have that many contacts? And with all those clients, then sell them out for a measly 300 euros?

Agreeing with @Kevin Slater, it seems like a lousy deal for the escorts.

Yeah I think it would be a terrible deal. Certainly if I had any inclination that a specific escort had sold my contact information in this way, I would definitely never meet with him again. 

Definitely a bad idea if the escort wants to keep a trusting, loyal clientele.

[Kevin Slater]

2 hours ago, nate_sf said:

1,000 contacts?!? How many escorts have that many contacts?

Kevin Slater

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Kevin Slater said:

Well it sounds like the escorts are absolutely getting screwed in this deal!

Kevin Slater

Well, the client is really getting screwed. What kind of an escort would sell out like that? If I were a client, I'd get law enforcement involved, as bribery is quite illegal. (And I don't give a rat's ass if anyone knows I've hired escorts)

[+ Pensant]

5 hours ago, Unicorn said:

If I were a client, I'd get law enforcement involved, as bribery is quite illegal. (And I don't give a rat's ass if anyone knows I've hired escorts)

Totally agree. I’d go after them and then laugh. Nobody that I know could care less. I’ve even told some straight friends that I hire. They laugh when I tell them that the second best part of hiring is the anticipatory knock on the door and the best part is when they leave!

[BuffaloKyle]

I guess I'm lucky that I couldn't care less if someone told my family and friends. My friends actually would wanna know then all the juicy details! 😁

But honestly if you're a client who is in a position where you have to be ultra discreet then get a second phone under an alias for just this purpose. 

[Epigonos]

I've said this many times before and I'm going to say it again.  If we as clients cannot, under any circumstances, live with being outed than we should NOT, under any circumstances, be hiring -- PERIOD.   The possibility of being outed always exists no matter how many precautions we attempt to make.  I did NOT hire while I was teaching because I refused to jeopardize both my teaching position and my pension. I retired in June and hired my first escort the following August.  Now would I be embarrassed if I was outed – YES – would my life be destroyed if I was outed -- NO 

[maninsoma]

Another angle not mentioned is how does having your contact information shared necessarily link you to having hired that escort?  I get that if the escort has text exchanges with you or shows a phone log showing multiple phone calls to and from your number, those could be shared and might be damning for some people.  But just because someone has your phone number?  Wouldn't it be easy to just say, "I don't know why my phone number is among a list of 1,000 people on someone's phone," and leave it at that? 

[Kevin Slater]

7 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

Wouldn't it be easy to just say, "I don't know why my phone number is among a list of 1,000 people on someone's phone," and leave it at that? 

Or to not respond at all?

Kevin Slater

[maninsoma]

3 minutes ago, Kevin Slater said:

Or to not respond at all?

Kevin Slater

I should have been more clear.  I definitely would NOT recommend responding to the attempted blackmailer.  I meant that if someone you know asked you about it because the blackmailer actually followed through with their threat to expose you, you could simply say you have no idea why that person had your phone number.

A stranger attempting to blackmail you online should be treated like spam email.  Ignored.

Edited March 17, 2022 by maninsoma

[jtwalker]

This is easily avoided.  Everything about me is an alias or a burner.  Fake name, email, phone, and all over VPN.  I had an escort try to blackmail me and I just pitched it all and got a new one.  Never heard from him again.

Also, like Kevin said, $1200 for 1000 contacts that pay you $300 a visit is stupid at best.

Edited March 18, 2022 by jtwalker

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/17/2022 at 12:22 AM, keroscenefire said:

Yeah I think it would be a terrible deal. Certainly if I had any inclination that a specific escort had sold my contact information in this way, I would definitely never meet with him again. 

Definitely a bad idea if the escort wants to keep a trusting, loyal clientele.

Well, think about it: a provider could earn €300 per each of the 1000 Clients ongoing, (that’s €300,000), or sell them out for €300 and end their career~ 🧐 

 Scammers don’t need to buy contacts info… they can just get that sort of thing for free on Facebook, a church roster, scruff or Grindr etc~ 

 it doesn’t even make sense from the scammers perspective: pay some number of escorts €300 and get false contact info from them time and time again.  
 If some provider was that desperate for the cash and ripping off their Clients, what would stop them from just making up some random list of contacts or pulling contacts off of Facebook etc~🧐 

 Scammers are supposed to rip other people off not themselves~ Seems counter productive~ 

 It’s a bit of an assumption to think all of these Clients are on WhatsApp~ So they get a persons WhatsApp number… What exactly does that tell a scammer about a person~ It doesn’t seem that there is a lot someone can pull from your WhatsApp number~ 
 
 Did someone throw a conspiracy theory burger on the grill~? 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:04 PM, nate_sf said:

1,000 contacts?!? How many escorts have that many contacts? And with all those clients, then sell them out for a measly 300 euros?

Agreeing with @Kevin Slater, it seems like a lousy deal for the escorts.

Right~? Just 1,000~? That number seems kind of low… Maybe they are just selling bad client contacts or something~ 😂

[+ Tygerscent]

23 hours ago, maninsoma said:

I should have been more clear.  I definitely would NOT recommend responding to the attempted blackmailer.  I meant that if someone you know asked you about it because the blackmailer actually followed through with their threat to expose you, you could simply say you have no idea why that person had your phone number.

A stranger attempting to blackmail you online should be treated like spam email.  Ignored.

 If someone tried to blackmail a Client or anyone else this way, the scammer has  already provided the blackmailer’s contact: Proof that they were trying to blackmail you. Blackmailing is a crime. It’s like robbing a bank and asking the bank teller to mail the money to your house where you will be waiting for it~