Do you believe there’s more fake clients, than fake escorts?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

That’s easy to say on paper, but without knowing what your business is…it’s kind of hard to compare it in the same way. 

I don’t have an issue with being kind and taking care of people. But I’m not going to be a door mat. They need to EARN that. And they are not going to earn that simply by sending me a few round of texts with no real intent to follow thru on a session.

Also our ratio of time wasters=real clients are likely different than what you experience.

[jtwalker]

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s easy to say on paper, but without knowing what your business is…it’s kind of hard to compare it in the same way. 

I don’t have an issue with being kind and taking care of people. But I’m not going to be a door mat. They need to EARN that. And they are not going to earn that simply by sending me a few round of texts with no real intent to follow thru on a session.

Also our ratio of time wasters=real clients are likely different than what you experience.

Yes and no…. to some degree, business is business.

I believe that good, old fashioned customer service goes a long way regardless of the business.

[AllerkrosS3]

Jorad, everything will be fine!

[young11]

I don't know you well but from the way you wrote it and your way of responding to these guys will only make you feel worse. I am not sure if it works in your field,  but if it is bothering you too much, it might be good for you to think about switching your profession. I am not defending those who are flaking and not committing but your business is by nature full of them. Many bored people could just play with you and waste your time and you have no way of knowing. So you just have to learn how to let things go instead of responding with nasty words. Better to accept the nature of it and try to find a way not to let these get into your nerves.

For some, I think I might come off as a fake but I also realize that my first meeting is always challenging because I don't like to reveal too much information about myself (including my whatsapp number). I carefully check the profiles if the pictures attract me. Then I have a good idea of how much I am willing to pay. So I ask their rate, if their rate is more than what I am willing to pay for this person, I move on. Here, I think some escorts think I am a fake. I don't wanna waste their time and I don't wanna waste my time either, so I move on. Some want to negotiate but I never do that because it usually reduces the experience significantly. The escorts have some reservation price and I don't wanna cut that out of the respect for them, even when I have a different evaluation of them.  Sometimes I wanna say things you have said to those flakes because I completely disagree with their own evaluation but who am I to judge? I just don't let this get into my nerves and hope the market will sort it out. When we negotiate, they usually put me in the "cheapskate" category as you say and they start looking down on me so the experience is usually not so good.

The most difficult part, where in rare occasions I become noncommittal, is when the escort is not so hot (that I would jump on the date immediately) and the rate is above the market rate and the reviews are amazing. I kinda wanna try him but I don't really want to because he is not hot etc. That is what is going on in my mind. But this is quite rare and I try to be nice to them and make a decision quicker and move on. 

In general, I would say many gays are noncommittal online (and sometimes offline too) so I find it hard to find a decent sex date without paying. So that is partially why I hire. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, AllerkrosS3 said:

Jorad, everything will be fine!

I want to speak that by faith and into existence, but hopefully it happens soon. This run up to Christmas has been tragic, clients either canceling everyday or half ass confirming sessions. People getting blacklisted or being seen with blacklist reports almost everyday. It doesn’t help that my 2 markets have been on a steady decline for business before this. 

Times like this takes brut strength and hope to get thru. And if you don’t have that, having at least 1 trusty reliable regular is paramount. And I mean, someone who will give you money even when you’re not participating in actual sex.

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

50 minutes ago, young11 said:

I don't know you well but from the way you wrote it and your way of responding to these guys will only make you feel worse. I am not sure if it works in your field,  but if it is bothering you too much, it might be good for you to think about switching your profession. I am not defending those who are flaking and not committing but your business is by nature full of them. Many bored people could just play with you and waste your time and you have no way of knowing. So you just have to learn how to let things go instead of responding with nasty words. Better to accept the nature of it and try to find a way not to let these get into your nerves.

For some, I think I might come off as a fake but I also realize that my first meeting is always challenging because I don't like to reveal too much information about myself (including my whatsapp number). I carefully check the profiles if the pictures attract me. Then I have a good idea of how much I am willing to pay. So I ask their rate, if their rate is more than what I am willing to pay for this person, I move on. Here, I think some escorts think I am a fake. I don't wanna waste their time and I don't wanna waste my time either, so I move on. Some want to negotiate but I never do that because it usually reduces the experience significantly. The escorts have some reservation price and I don't wanna cut that out of the respect for them, even when I have a different evaluation of them.  Sometimes I wanna say things you have said to those flakes because I completely disagree with their own evaluation but who am I to judge? I just don't let this get into my nerves and hope the market will sort it out. When we negotiate, they usually put me in the "cheapskate" category as you say and they start looking down on me so the experience is usually not so good.

The most difficult part, where in rare occasions I become noncommittal, is when the escort is not so hot (that I would jump on the date immediately) and the rate is above the market rate and the reviews are amazing. I kinda wanna try him but I don't really want to because he is not hot etc. That is what is going on in my mind. But this is quite rare and I try to be nice to them and make a decision quicker and move on. 

In general, I would say many gays are noncommittal online (and sometimes offline too) so I find it hard to find a decent sex date without paying. So that is partially why I hire. 

In all earnestly I hear what you’re saying but I’m also hearing excuses for inconsiderate behavior. I’ve heard it all before. In fact I just heard it today. And I can only expect that coming from a client standpoint.

However, your last sentence is a bit counterproductive, and I’ll address that. If the escort “isn’t that hot” like you say, why contact them to begin with? Of course you do mention “rate being above market”, but what exactly is “market” anyway? 
 

Here’s what the real issue is, and I’ve had a client the other day say this and I agreed. I also had to tell a client this today: The majority of client contacting escort/masseurs on the “rent” sites have no real UNDERSTANDING of the fact that this is many guy’s bread and butter. Or they meet providers who just do this for “extra” cash versus someone who’s really putting work in round the clock. So, you get guys (possibly like you) who just have a insincere approach to us.

I know people come to the Rent sites with a mindset of not wanting to shoulder the burden of being true to their word, but at the end of the day it’s not just a guy behind the phone.

Here’s a better tip: maybe others need to view the industry differently than just an adult Nintendo/Grindr. These ads COST US. It’s not FREE.  And sitting around answering texts from idiots who can’t figure out when they can meet, or wait 2.5 hours from a reply to a text after requesting an outcall…is also not free. Time is money, and time is not renewable. Respect that.
 

I can change professions when I’m ready to. But you saying that without really knowing me is short sighted. What needs to change is the steady decline in respectful and serious clients in the Rent world. Because it’s gotten worse. Acknowledge and address that first, before making assumptions about whether I’m cut out for the work. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[young11]

wow ok, how do I respond lol

Each market has its going average rate and I know the rates in the cities I hire regularly. Escorts know those too and they put their rates using the benchmark and relative to their reservation rate. 

You are saying i am insincere, that sounds like a personal attack but hiring is not always just the look, so that is why sometimes I contact not so hot guys with stellar reviews. If he is charging the market rate, i don't mind closing the deal on spot but if it is substantially above the market rate, it leaves me in a difficult position when I hire this guy first time because reviews can be really misleading. And as I said, I really try to make a decision quick so that I don't linger it long for both of us. So I am not sure if I would be considered insincere but if that is your judgement, let it be.

Anyway, thanks for your better tips. As I said in my post, I don't waste my and their time, so my convo is usually very short. I never book a date when I am not certain, so I don't think I wasted any escorts' time. As much as I value my time, I also think escorts' time is equally valuable, I mean you guys charge by the hour and I certainly know how much you value your time. But again, by the way you are responding, I am not sure if you are in the right industry as of now. Maybe it will change in the future but I don't think it will change just because you asked, on this online form, people to behave in a certain way you want them to. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, young11 said:

wow ok, how do I respond lol

Each market has its going average rate and I know the rates in the cities I hire regularly. Escorts know those too and they put their rates using the benchmark and relative to their reservation rate. 

You are saying i am insincere, that sounds like a personal attack but hiring is not always just the look, so that is why sometimes I contact not so hot guys with stellar reviews. If he is charging the market rate, i don't mind closing the deal on spot but if it is substantially above the market rate, it leaves me in a difficult position when I hire this guy first time because reviews can be really misleading. And as I said, I really try to make a decision quick so that I don't linger it long for both of us. So I am not sure if I would be considered insincere but if that is your judgement, let it be.

Anyway, thanks for your better tips. As I said in my post, I don't waste my and their time, so my convo is usually very short. I never book a date when I am not certain, so I don't think I wasted any escorts' time. As much as I value my time, I also think escorts' time is equally valuable, I mean you guys charge by the hour and I certainly know how much you value your time. But again, by the way you are responding, I am not sure if you are in the right industry as of now. Maybe it will change in the future but I don't think it will change just because you asked, on this online form, people to behave in a certain way you want them to. 

It sounds like you come with good intent and purpose, but your reasoning is a bit skewed. And I’ll tell you why. 
 

First of all: let’s get rid of the “market rate” idea. That’s old school. 2003. 2010. This is 2021, going on 2022. There’s no rates being posted for ESCORTS hardly anywhere thanks to the oppressive Sesta/fosta bill passed in 2016 by president trump. Because where the fuck, (excuse my French), do you see any rates being posted places on escort sites? If I’m mistaken…please direct me to the right resource. Because I don’t see it. And I haven’t seen hardly anything of what other providers are charging either.

On top of that: what other providers charge (or not) is irrelevant. People sometimes tell me, “oh, you’re too expensive for this town”. And I say, interesting you think that because I just had someone give me $400. 
 

I’m not serving “the town”. I’ve gone to towns where there’s no escorts hardly AT ALL, and still had no issue with 250-300 (which is my current preferred going donation, but I offer 150-200 for base level sessions).
 

Everytime a client (which is less often these days) says my rate is too high or they looking for something cheaper, I tell them: “sorry but I can’t pay my expenses charging any less”. If I’m hit with a major expense (which has been the case TWICE this month, in the tune of $300+ each) in the middle of pandemic and Christmas is right around the corner, you think I’m going to get anything done with $100? There’s not going to be enough bookings, for 1. Even if I say,” instead of $300 I could charge 3 clients $100 each “, that rarely works out in theory. All 3 clients will want to meet at the same time, or flake/fake no show, and I end up only meeting 1.

That’s just the reality. I been doing this since 2008. I’m not the hottest on the block, or the White or Brazilian guy everybody wants. But I have a decent fan base that I have to be smart about. So to charge whatever “the market” says I should charge would be a waste of time and talent.

That said, I still say: don’t blame me. Blame the fakes. This is the right business for me. It’s not the right business for THEM. Maybe some people out here playing “client” aren’t cut out to be clients. Ever thought of that? 

[Jamie21]

It must be very difficult if your sole source of income is from doing sex work. I’ve been doing it 5 years now and I can kind of predict the revenue stream but it’s patchy and, especially now during a pandemic, unreliable.

I understand why Jarrod is annoyed at clients who are sketchy because you try to accommodate them, you try to be available but sometimes it just doesn’t happen. You’re thinking ‘ah great, I’ll hit my target’ and then they flake. Often with no stated reason. That can be really annoying if you have cancelled other arrangements to be available.

I get a lot of last minute requests “are you available today at 3?” for example at say 2pm. The answer is almost always “no, sorry “. I could say that I would have been had you asked yesterday for today but now I’m doing something else….but I don’t because it’s not worth being that spiky. I just say that it’s best to book a bit in advance if possible because I get busy and leave it at that. 

This is a customer service business and regardless of how we think the customers should behave, in a customer service business the customer is always right. If they think I’m too expensive, not hot enough, not flexible enough, a bad masseur etc then that’s their prerogative. They interact but won’t book if my proposition doesn’t attract them enough. Clearly for me there’s enough clients who are happy with my package (me, the massage, the sex, the rates, the availability etc) that I get enough work to keep me in the business. When the clients dry up I’ll know to stop.

I do other work too (justforfans lol) and non sex work so that my income is regular. It’s too random to rely completely on provider work. I think doing that causes too much stress, hence the irritation that Jarrod experiences as a result of the work that has to go in to managing customer service. I think one just has  to accept that some customers won’t change, you can filter them out a bit by marketing, but can’t avoid them. 

[John]

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

It must be very difficult if your sole source of income is from doing sex work. I’ve been doing it 5 years now and I can kind of predict the revenue stream but it’s patchy and, especially now during a pandemic, unreliable.

I understand why Jarrod is annoyed at clients who are sketchy because you try to accommodate them, you try to be available but sometimes it just doesn’t happen. You’re thinking ‘ah great, I’ll hit my target’ and then they flake. Often with no stated reason. That can be really annoying if you have cancelled other arrangements to be available.

I get a lot of last minute requests “are you available today at 3?” for example at say 2pm. The answer is almost always “no, sorry “. I could say that I would have been had you asked yesterday for today but now I’m doing something else….but I don’t because it’s not worth being that spiky. I just say that it’s best to book a bit in advance if possible because I get busy and leave it at that. 

This is a customer service business and regardless of how we think the customers should behave, in a customer service business the customer is always right. If they think I’m too expensive, not hot enough, not flexible enough, a bad masseur etc then that’s their prerogative. They interact but won’t book if my proposition doesn’t attract them enough. Clearly for me there’s enough clients who are happy with my package (me, the massage, the sex, the rates, the availability etc) that I get enough work to keep me in the business. When the clients dry up I’ll know to stop.

I do other work too (justforfans lol) and non sex work so that my income is regular. It’s too random to rely completely on provider work. I think doing that causes too much stress, hence the irritation that Jarrod experiences as a result of the work that has to go in to managing customer service. I think one just has  to accept that some customers won’t change, you can filter them out a bit by marketing, but can’t avoid them. 

I am far from you now and unlikely to ever go to London, but your post makes a very positive impression.  I wish you well.

[Jamie21]

55 minutes ago, John said:

I am far from you now and unlikely to ever go to London, but your post makes a very positive impression.  I wish you well.

Hello thanks for that John, I appreciate it. If you ever do make it to London (it’s a fantastic city!) then come along for a massage. You’ll be most welcome. I love meeting visitors to the city. 
Have a great Christmas. 

[italianboyph]

At the end of the day it’s online gay hooking up. People do the same thing on apps, talks about planning to meet  and nothing happens. I’ve heard stories from both sides of the spectrum.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/22/2021 at 3:15 AM, Jamie21 said:

It must be very difficult if your sole source of income is from doing sex work. I’ve been doing it 5 years now and I can kind of predict the revenue stream but it’s patchy and, especially now during a pandemic, unreliable.

I understand why Jarrod is annoyed at clients who are sketchy because you try to accommodate them, you try to be available but sometimes it just doesn’t happen. You’re thinking ‘ah great, I’ll hit my target’ and then they flake. Often with no stated reason. That can be really annoying if you have cancelled other arrangements to be available.

I get a lot of last minute requests “are you available today at 3?” for example at say 2pm. The answer is almost always “no, sorry “. I could say that I would have been had you asked yesterday for today but now I’m doing something else….but I don’t because it’s not worth being that spiky. I just say that it’s best to book a bit in advance if possible because I get busy and leave it at that. 

This is a customer service business and regardless of how we think the customers should behave, in a customer service business the customer is always right. If they think I’m too expensive, not hot enough, not flexible enough, a bad masseur etc then that’s their prerogative. They interact but won’t book if my proposition doesn’t attract them enough. Clearly for me there’s enough clients who are happy with my package (me, the massage, the sex, the rates, the availability etc) that I get enough work to keep me in the business. When the clients dry up I’ll know to stop.

I do other work too (justforfans lol) and non sex work so that my income is regular. It’s too random to rely completely on provider work. I think doing that causes too much stress, hence the irritation that Jarrod experiences as a result of the work that has to go in to managing customer service. I think one just has  to accept that some customers won’t change, you can filter them out a bit by marketing, but can’t avoid them. 

Good interpretation there. And yes, I echo the part about “are you available at 3” and it’s only 2 p.m. I get there are 1,000+1 reasons a client may have to book things that way, but in my 10+ years I still find it a bit hard to comprehend. When I try to plan things with those same clients, even with a day or few hours in advance, they can never accommodate because they always “have plans”. So I don’t know why they think we’re any different. 
 

If a client can’t be bothered to make or plan time with me, I start to feel taken for granted or not really important…I know that sounds taking it too personal, but some of these people clog up my line with texts, chat a bunch of BS, but then can’t find a time to schedule a booking. 

 

I understand what @italianboyph is saying about it being similar to Grindr, but I think what’s lost in 2021: Calling an escort/massage is NOT Grindr. Idk where people get off thinking talking to an escort is a pen pal.

I don’t mind chatting with clients, especially if they’re out of state and it involves more communication. But some of these dudes live right down the street, and have no decency and respect. They think it’s entertaining. But that’s exactly why I have to start charging for my conversations at the door…

However I also want to mention: some of the above mentioned is more of a result of being in the Midwest, and specifically in certain cities outside of Chicago. So I am aware I can’t tar everyone with the same brush.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/22/2021 at 3:15 AM, Jamie21 said:

It must be very difficult if your sole source of income is from doing sex work.

I do other work too (justforfans lol) and non sex work so that my income is regular. It’s too random to rely completely on provider work. I think doing that causes too much stress, hence the irritation that Jarrod experiences as a result of the work that has to go in to managing customer service. I think one just has  to accept that some customers won’t change, you can filter them out a bit by marketing, but can’t avoid them. 

also I appreciate your recognizing the challenges, but just to clarify: this is not the “only” thing I do. I actually do model gigs and the fans based sales as well. However, as a whole the provider circuit is a main pool for me. So essentially, it is important that my appointments happen when they are expected to happen.

But even if it’s not an “appointment”. Some clients try to save face by saying they never made an appointment, therefore ghosting me is totally justifiable. However, If someone contacts my line and goes thru the basics of establishing we’re going to connect, it’s just a principle of being a MAN, that the person should have the decency to stick with it. 
 

Otherwise, it comes off as just not being genuine. And considering I been reading multiple reports/complaints from other providers about the same client(s) messing them about, I don’t quite buy the customer is always right mantra. 
 

I think what it really means: The customer WHO HAS PAID/ABOUT TO PAY is always right. Someone texting me; who can never host, never wants to book in advance, doesn’t ever know when he can meet, just trolling ads with no purpose because of boredom or collecting pics, is not a right customer for me. More like a pain in the 🤦🏽‍♂️ 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Amalanchi]

I would say its better to use sites with reviews and verified profiles then u will have less problems with cops and fake escorts i will suggest sites like Slixa, Richobo and Eros old fashioned sites with legit adult entertainers 

[jeezifonly]

On 12/21/2021 at 7:39 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

It sounds like you come with good intent and purpose, but your reasoning is a bit skewed. And I’ll tell you why. 
 

First of all: let’s get rid of the “market rate” idea. That’s old school. 2003. 2010. This is 2021, going on 2022. There’s no rates being posted for ESCORTS hardly anywhere thanks to the oppressive Sesta/fosta bill passed in 2016 by president trump. Because where the fuck, (excuse my French), do you see any rates being posted places on escort sites? If I’m mistaken…please direct me to the right resource. Because I don’t see it. And I haven’t seen hardly anything of what other providers are charging either.

On top of that: what other providers charge (or not) is irrelevant. People sometimes tell me, “oh, you’re too expensive for this town”. And I say, interesting you think that because I just had someone give me $400. 
 

I’m not serving “the town”. I’ve gone to towns where there’s no escorts hardly AT ALL, and still had no issue with 250-300 (which is my current preferred going donation, but I offer 150-200 for base level sessions).
 

Everytime a client (which is less often these days) says my rate is too high or they looking for something cheaper, I tell them: “sorry but I can’t pay my expenses charging any less”. If I’m hit with a major expense (which has been the case TWICE this month, in the tune of $300+ each) in the middle of pandemic and Christmas is right around the corner, you think I’m going to get anything done with $100? There’s not going to be enough bookings, for 1. Even if I say,” instead of $300 I could charge 3 clients $100 each “, that rarely works out in theory. All 3 clients will want to meet at the same time, or flake/fake no show, and I end up only meeting 1.

That’s just the reality. I been doing this since 2008. I’m not the hottest on the block, or the White or Brazilian guy everybody wants. But I have a decent fan base that I have to be smart about. So to charge whatever “the market” says I should charge would be a waste of time and talent.

That said, I still say: don’t blame me. Blame the fakes. This is the right business for me. It’s not the right business for THEM. Maybe some people out here playing “client” aren’t cut out to be clients. Ever thought of that? 

That’s what my manicurist told me.