Why it tends to be more game players/time wasters at the holidays

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Otherwise known as jumping over dollar bills to get at nickles. 

Yah but he’s also exaggerating things. If I was billing every minute, I’d of literally had a 1800 number by now. 
 

And he can talk all that noise, but I look around and see other guys likely dealing with the same thing. I’ve noticed half of the Saint Louis and Kansas City markets have fell off. Other markets in the area have the same guys “available now” and the same “clients” playing games and wasting time. He’s not fooling anyone. 
 

And like I told him, some of these idiots don’t get it until I pull out all the stops. It’s easy to sit around and berate someone for taking big steps to remedy a situation, but unless he wants me to post a bunch of text messages here PROVING what I see on a week to week basis, he ought to just reconsider his “opinions” about why I do things the way I do.

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[+ BenjaminNicholas]

55 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Yah but he’s also exaggerating things. If I was billing every minute, I’d of literally had a 1800 number by now. 
 

And he can talk all that noise, but I look around and see other guys likely dealing with the same thing. I’ve noticed half of the Saint Louis and Kansas City markets have fell off. Other markets in the area have the same guys “available now” and the same “clients” playing games and wasting time. He’s not fooling anyone. 
 

And like I told him, some of these idiots don’t get it until I pull out all the stops. It’s easy to sit around and berate someone for taking big steps to remedy a situation, but unless he wants me to post a bunch of text messages here PROVING what I see on a week to week basis, he ought to just reconsider his “opinions” about why I do things the way I do.

Real talk:  Have you ever thought of going the findom route, really making that your social media cornerstone and seeing how it goes?

You have the verbal/swagger part down already. 

Your body is on-point and you're articulate in how you express yourself.

It could be an interesting thing to explore a little.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Real talk:  Have you ever thought of going the findom route, really making that your social media cornerstone and seeing how it goes?

You have the verbal/swagger part down already. 

Your body is on-point and you're articulate in how you express yourself.

It could be an interesting thing to explore a little.

“In financial domination the submissive has no expectation of sexual contact in return for the money, and often there is no physical contact of any kind between the two parties.^[4]”

lol had to look that one up. Though not quite what I’m aiming for. I’m not really going at it with the sole purpose of getting something for nothing (like some of the ones who waste our time do). 
 

2 things I wanted to address though: I’m not stopping anyone from “window shopping”. I know some probably feel it’s “cruel” to ask for money before meeting. Poor them. But here’s the reality: I have enough content and info on my page (besides rates which, is still an on-going cause and effect for a lot of the shit I have to contend with. Only RentMasseur allows rates, but it’s not really much except “incall/outcall). 
 

I already did the work AND paid in advance via pictures, membership payment, etc etc. 

Secondly, this is more directed at @jtwalker, don’t tell me to “talk to other escorts” as if they are going to be some kind of mentor. I’m tired of people saying that. I have no issue with, and in fact have at times discussed things with other escorts. But besides a bit of camaraderie and sharing, every escort is going to do things differently. I did a 3som with an escort last week, and he had 0 nude pics in his profile. But yet, the client hired both him and I. I can go ask another escort in another city who has every picture nude in his profile, and get a completely different perspective.

On top of that, and I’ll even bring it up again: I had a forum member here tell me a couple or so years ago, “you should reach out to so and so and get some advice from him”. I took his advice, and when I did…the guy replied once, but then never bothered to respond to the question I had. Just completely blew me off. 

So don’t try to drag me into this trap of “hearing what other escorts have to say”. If it’s not on this forum where they can openly share it, or PM me directly like @TylerGrovesNYCdid that actually HAD some useful tips, I’m not interested. I been in the game since 2008. I’ve seen it all, and pretty much done it all. 
 

This perception that every escort should be flying high and have no problems, everything successful and laid out, otherwise they aren’t doing “well” and need to “talk to other guys more successful than them”…is a myth. 

I’ve said it earlier: if a guy has more or less problems than someone else, then it may not have anything to do with what that guy is doing. It could be the area, their ethnicity, the websites, different levels of tolerance, the season, the city, etc. 

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[Jamie21]

22 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Sure enough….now I get a message from the new guy saying that “I might have to reschedule because of work…”. That’s all… so now it’s a ‘maybe’ and I’m supposed to hang around waiting to find out. Well sorry, I know with 95% certainty that you’ll cancel on the day. It’s a common pattern. So I’ve told my regular I’m now available if he wants to book. Likelihood is he’s made other arrangements, which is fine, but because of new clients’ messing around I’m now trying to re plan things. If you think you might need to cancel then go ahead and cancel….don’t leave it open “I might turn up or I might not”…that’s not acceptable. 

Update: sure enough the new guy cancelled…(as I expected). I go back to the regular to say I’m now available but he now has other plans. So that’s how I thought it would pan out, all because someone thinks it’s ok to book whilst being unsure that they’ll actually go ahead. Annoying. But it’s normal and I can usually see it coming.

I’m not going to let it wind me up too much. You have to be like water in this business. Adapt, adjust, and overcome it. 

[jtwalker]

5 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Otherwise known as jumping over dollar bills to get at nickles. 

I love that!  I’ve never heard it put that way before.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

Update: sure enough the new guy cancelled…(as I expected). I go back to the regular to say I’m now available but he now has other plans. So that’s how I thought it would pan out, all because someone thinks it’s ok to book whilst being unsure that they’ll actually go ahead. Annoying. But it’s normal and I can usually see it coming.

I’m not going to let it wind me up too much. You have to be like water in this business. Adapt, adjust, and overcome it. 

See, I woulda made him send me cancel fee. I already have a client sent me one in the mail (doesn’t have pay apps).

That is so unfair to you. I probably would have still booked the regular at the same time, and waited to see if the new guy would show.

But this is also why I ask for deposits. They want to get mad and don’t respond, that’s a dodged bullet. I even put in my ad verbatim: I can’t make exceptions based on other guys you contacted, not showing. They always want to pull the “I’ve been ripped off before” card, not realizing that one experience happens to us on the regular.

There you go Daddy’s Reviews forum naysayers. Real life testimony of the ACTUAL stuff that happens. So don’t be surprised that I take the appropriate courses of action. It’s not even to be evil or vindictive. It’s just the course of biz. I’m not asking for $50,000 upfront. A measly $25-50, people spend BILLIONS on the lottery, and never see that money back (I should probably start using that line too). 
 

And the other thing, I wish people would stop comparing us to other industries. This is, hasn’t, and will never be similar to other industries. You can cancel on your insurance agent, he/she probably has someone else in the office waiting. I see it all the time. People walking in at the same time as my appointment.

 

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[Jamie21]

23 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

. I probably would have still booked the regular at the same time, and waited to see if the new guy would show.

I would have too but the regular was an outcall and the new guy in call….I’d have had to be in two places at once. I’m good, but not that good!!

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

I would have too but the regular was an outcall and the new guy in call….I’d have had to be in two places at once. I’m good, but not that good!!

That might have worked out even better: if the newbie didn’t show up, you could just travel out versus expecting someone to show at the same time. But it’s easy to get sidetracked and do what you “think” is the right move. But when some idiot messes you about, it throws logic all off. 
 

That said, the only industry we can be compared to, is a nightclub that charges $20 cover to get into. Yes, there’s a cover charge before you even walk into the door. Sure, tons of other places maybe don’t charge a cover, but I’m sure nightclubs don’t go around deciding based on other nightclubs (or in my case, escorts) charging a cover or not 😆 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Update:

I just had a break Thru. I was at the gym and it hit me what I need to do going forward and into 2022. I can’t share the details because I need to get it in motion, but I’m starting on it TONIGHT.

First thing I’ve decided that needs to change: no more justfor/only fans. That is becoming played out. More power to the guys making millions on it, but I don’t have the time and energy or porn studio backdrop to turn it into an actual living. I just contacted my subscribers and told them not to rebill further. I don’t want to be a part of anything that’s going to feel like a rat race. I’m changing the game up, and it starts today. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

10 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Update:

I just had a break Thru. I was at the gym and it hit me what I need to do going forward and into 2022. I can’t share the details because I need to get it in motion, but I’m starting on it TONIGHT.

First thing I’ve decided that needs to change: no more justfor/only fans. That is becoming played out. More power to the guys making millions on it, but I don’t have the time and energy or porn studio backdrop to turn it into an actual living. I just contacted my subscribers and told them not to rebill further. I don’t want to be a part of anything that’s going to feel like a rat race. I’m changing the game up, and it starts today. 

A genuine congrats for making the right moves for you.  Well done dude.

As for guys making 'millions' on OF, it's very, very few.  Most of OF is bravado about 'being in the top creators,' but those same guys are also inexplicably discounting their memberships on a regular basis.

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

A genuine congrats for making the right moves for you.  Well done dude.

As for guys making 'millions' on OF, it's very, very few.  Most of OF is bravado about 'being in the top creators,' but those same guys are also inexplicably discounting their memberships on a regular basis.

 

Yeah, I tried it out and it was useful for what it was…but it’s just not congruent with the new model I’m trying to come out with. I also don’t really have time or privacy to constantly dish out new material. Even when I’m on tour and staying in hotels everyday, last thing I want to do is waste my juice making videos and “cum shots” for 19.99 when I may have a 300 booking instead. I prefer real sex and erotic pictures moreso. I feel it would suit someone who only does selfie content, or has a regular partner to take and/or do content with. 
 

That said, I did run into a couple unexpected bumps right off the bat, so the initial idea I decided to dump. But, I’m still going to go with the new plan idea but just continue to do it similar to the way I was already doing it so far, but this time with greater incentive for the client. Idk if I’ll be able to get everyone on board, but I predict it’ll cut down the BS 99%. Someone said my reaction may be making things worse, but…all I can do IS react. How many more days and weeks and months am I going to keep dealing with the same ole timewasters and gamers? Who wants to deal with that forever? Something has to give.

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[Jamie21]

On 12/8/2021 at 3:19 PM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

As for guys making 'millions' on OF, it's very, very few.  Most of OF is bravado about 'being in the top creators,' but those same guys are also inexplicably discounting their memberships on a regular basis.

 

It’s definitely content hungry. I’m on justforfans and supposedly in the top 3% of creators but I don’t make millions!, it’s more like a couple of thousand before my expenses (and I pay an editor to manage the editing and posting on the platform, plus venue hire occasionally). It takes me on average a days work a month. I do it as a sideline to my main massage work. If you work at it full time I guess you’d make more but I haven’t got the energy for it (or the models to collaborate with) to spend any more on it than I currently do. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

It’s definitely content hungry. I’m on justforfans and supposedly in the top 3% of creators but I don’t make millions!, it’s more like a couple of thousand before my expenses (and I pay an editor to manage the editing and posting on the platform, plus venue hire occasionally). It takes me on average a days work a month. I do it as a sideline to my main massage work. If you work at it full time I guess you’d make more but I haven’t got the energy for it (or the models to collaborate with) to spend any more on it than I currently do. 

That’s good. But for me I still wasn’t even really finding it easy to try and get clients/people to sign up. What I’m aiming for now is going to be something where people will be REQUIRED to sign up, in order to book me. This way, even if they don’t book me, and they just want to chit chat, I’ll still get paid and they can still get some type of viewing capabilities. 
 

So that way I actually have a bit more use out of it.
 

Also the issue with JFF is they auto-bill clients, and don’t give much flexibility in how to control the payouts/platform. Maybe I don’t want to sell a whole month of membership. Maybe I just want to sell it 1 time, for a week or 2. And if they wish to come back later they can use it again.

 

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[Jamie21]

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s good. But for me I still wasn’t even really finding it easy to try and get clients/people to sign up. What I’m aiming for now is going to be something where people will be REQUIRED to sign up, in order to book me. This way, even if they don’t book me, and they just want to chit chat, I’ll still get paid and they can still get some type of viewing capabilities. 
 

So that way I actually have a bit more use out of it.
 

Also the issue with JFF is they auto-bill clients, and don’t give much flexibility in how to control the payouts/platform. Maybe I don’t want to sell a whole month of membership. Maybe I just want to sell it 1 time, for a week or 2. And if they wish to come back later they can use it again.

 

It’s worth a try I guess. You might find that clients don’t want to subscribe to it, even for a week, to book you in person. I think the type of client who subscribes to online content is different to the in person market. I don’t use my justforfans to promote my provider work, it’s separate and not linked in any way (although a few clients have found the justforfans independently and asked me about it when we met). But I think it’s two different markets with a small overlap. 

[+ tassojunior]

FWIW- My friends who are in Amsterdam and DC just now say they are doing exceptionally well. Several clients a day and generous. After a busy spring/summer binge they had been having an autumn slowdown but are back to busy.