Another Messy Question from JoeMendoza

[+ MysticMenace]

Messy Joe is here to ask a messy question again.

For the most part, the forum is a great place to get insights on a provider outside of RentMen or RentMasseur. It is also great to get notified of providers that are about to come to your area. Perhaps it could really be a YMMV thing, but I do notice a few individuals here who generally have less than favorable comments about most providers, some of whom having had stellar reputation of being a professional and with a focus on customer service.

As a provider or a member of the forum, how do you handle these types of posts or reply to posts - do you ignore them, defend your fellow / favorite provider, ask more questions, block or report them? If so, why?

[big-n-tall]

As a member, if it’s about a provider I’ve gotten to know and have positive experiences with, I’ll sometimes speak up depending on what is being said.

There have been occasions where a poster (sometimes via private messages) gets in a tizzy, not having met the provider, but because they didn’t get a fast enough response or they got a response they weren’t happy with. Mostly, I say it wasn’t my experience and if they didn’t get an immediate response to be patient. If the response they got wasn’t rude or to their liking, be polite and ask the provider again… instead of putting them on blast for mostly a non-issue.

This scenario hasn’t happened lately, but there was a time some years back it seemed to be rather frequent.

[jeezifonly]

Your question  is spiffy @JoeMendoza

Have some paper towels within reach for replies?

 

[Otto]

Mr. Mendoza, can you provide some examples?

[+ MysticMenace]

I could give some specific examples, but was trying to be classy messy, not melted-kentucky-klondike-bar kinda messy.

[Otto]

If the heat is too hot, then get outta the kitchen!

[rvwnsd]

Speaking from a long-time member's perspective, I think publicly humiliating the individual who disagrees with the majority opinion is truly the way to go. The more they deviate from the general consensus the larger the font used when replying in all caps. Also, lots of exclamation points.

Of course, I am being facetious. It depends on what the poster has to say, how they say it, and how well I know the escort. If I don't know the escort in question and the poster makes an emotionally un-charged comment (e.g. "he doesn't do much for me" or "I had a bad experience") I keep my mouth keyboard shut. When I have hired an escort and know him to provide a great time and the poster makes an emotionally un-charged comment I might say something like "your experience was different than mine" and/or PM him to get details. And then there are the posts with lots of histrionics, belittlement, accusations of completely out-of-character-for-the-escort behavior, and outlandish accusations. If I hired the guy in question I'll defend him. 

One other comment, which pertains less now than it did ten years ago. At one time there were escorts who were worshipped, revered, and placed on pedestals on the Forum. I'm not talking about guys like @Mikegaite and @Rod Hagen, who are well-liked and universally regarded as great guys. I'm talking about a virtual cult of personality.  Any comment that was even slightly uncomplimentary resulted in mob behavior against the poster. I happened to hire one of these Forum darlings and had a bad time. Upon mentioning said bad time the comments directed toward me were not threatening but they were not pleasant. Several members PMd me and said they, too, had a bad time and were afraid to say anything. Fortunately, that type of excoriation happens less now than in the past.

 

[+ glutes]

Idolizing or putting a escort on a pedestal that you're paying 300 / 500 and now $700/hour?  🙃 They should put we clients on  a pedestal.

Think with your big head folks.

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by glutes

[rvwnsd]

32 minutes ago, glutes said:

Idolizing or putting a escort on a pedestal that you're paying 300 / 500 and now $700/hour?  🙃 They should put we clients on  a pedestal.

Think with your big head folks.

 

I completely agree. You've been here a long time and probably remember what I'm talking about. It was quite silly, TBH. I'd be remiss for not mentioning the escorts did not ask for idolatry. 

[+ MysticMenace]

I wouldn't necessarily put anyone, myself included, on a pedestal. However, if I have considered a provider a friend or have known them to be professionals in their craft, I would not mind defending such provider. At the very least, I would say that it was not my experience and invite inquiring posters through private message. While I may not be a believer in idolatry, I do respect that what providers and masseurs provide is still a business, and I would certainly not be opposed to defending someone I know if others were to attempt smearing their reputation.

[+ glutes]

Who would you like to defend from a smear?

And you can be messy!

[+ MysticMenace]

8 minutes ago, glutes said:

Who would you like to defend from a smear?

And you can be messy!

I actually have already defended them in the forum or have seen more than 5 people who have done the same for a provider or masseur that I know.

[+ glutes]

Escort leading his client. Buk-buk-buk! 

[+ DrownedBoy]

I defended one of my regulars once, but that was because the complaint was coming from a guy who never met him (and was simply pissed off that the guy wasn't doing free sexting).

Otherwise, my tastes and practices (fetish only) make it rather hard to compare with other clients. It drives me nuts when people ask if a guy "tops" - I'm not into anal!

[+ MysticMenace]

12 minutes ago, glutes said:

Escort leading his client. Buk-buk-buk! 

that's one big and beautiful cock!

[HotWhiteThirties]

In the early days of my interactions here I took the opportunity to defend @DC Beauwho retired several years ago and hasn't visited the forum in some time that I can tell. I wasn't yet familiar enough with the climate here to know that almost no one with any experience here would have believed the statements made against Beau. Anyhow, I don't regret the defense, but if I were to do it now, the "syrup wouldn't quite be so thick," perhaps? Who knows? Things do seem to have changed here since that time. For one, it seems fewer escorts interact on the forum, but I could be perceiving that incorrectly, or not looking in the right places. As some evidence, however, this post has received no reply from a provider - only clients so far. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited August 9, 2021 by HotWhiteThirties

[rvwnsd]

6 hours ago, HotWhiteThirties said:

In the early days of my interactions here I took the opportunity to defend @DC Beauwho retired several years ago and hasn't visited the forum in some time that I can tell. I wasn't yet familiar enough with the climate here to know that almost no one with any experience here would have believed the statements made against Beau. Anyhow, I don't regret the defense, but if I were to do it now, the "syrup wouldn't quite be so thick," perhaps? Who knows? Things do seem to have changed here since that time. For one, it seems fewer escorts interact on the forum, but I could be perceiving that incorrectly, or not looking in the right places. As some evidence, however, this post has received no reply from a provider - only clients so far. 🤷🏻‍♂️

You are right - fewer escorts participate here than did in the past. However, many escorts who previously participated have moved on from escorting. Also, while the number of guys advertising has exploded, there are fewer and fewer guys who see this as a career. My observation is the escort/Forum members typically (but not universally) were the guys who saw escorting as a career. 

Another observation - most of the escorts who get slammed are not the ones who participate in the Forum. 

[big-n-tall]

10 minutes ago, rvwnsd said:

You are right - fewer escorts participate here than did in the past. However, many escorts who previously participated have moved on from escorting. Also, while the number of guys advertising has exploded, there are fewer and fewer guys who see this as a career. My observation is the escort/Forum members typically (but not universally) were the guys who saw escorting as a career. 

Another observation - most of the escorts who get slammed are not the ones who participate in the Forum. 

Also, it’s clear that there are escorts on the forum who do not make it known that they are escorts. It explains some of the name change threads that pop up here and there like this one…

And I know in the past some escorts used their escort identity and a separate one under another handle on the board at the same time.

Edited August 9, 2021 by big-n-tall

[+ glutes]

Señor Mendonza, it is not 'smearing' when you call out a provider for any of  following. It is just stating the truth, and Lordy know some of them don't like that.

 age shaving

 endless selfies

Confederate flags

politics

flipping the bird

headless horseman photos

attitude

flakes 

upsell

not showing up

money up front

cheap motels

bad neighborhoods

fake stats / penis lengthening

PNP

many "Ask Me"

restrictions on ethnicity

restrictions on client stats

bashing other escorts

 

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by glutes

[+ MysticMenace]

I guess here are some high-level observations I have made (for receipts, one can attempt to trace some of my replies to related threads):

• Certain posters have a specific axe to grind with particular providers and will go out of their way to list out everything bad about the provider, sometimes with receipts to reviews submitted or indicating that they no longer submit reviews because they do not believe in them (or the platforms delete their reviews).
• Certain posters project their activities onto the providers within the forum posts. I observed a few where posters would indicate that multiple providers that I know would be unresponsive or flake on them, when after speaking with said providers, they would confirm or show me receipts that either the poster never even made contact or if they made contact would actually be the ones consistently flaking on the providers in multiple occasions. 

If I only met and interacted with the provider once, I typically just keep quiet or at the most reply back in the forum how my experience was generally or if I would or would not recommend. However, if I have gotten to know the provider or are friends with them, I am more likely to defend them here. 

Perhaps @rvwnsd and @HotWhiteThirties have a point that maybe these scenarios happen far and few between compared to other times, or maybe the providers that actively contribute to the forum are not the targets of such negative publicity here. Maybe this review DB being finalized aligned with the platform will help solve for the potentially unsubstantiated, negative feedback that some providers get from time to time.

[+ nycman]

I generally just state what my experience was with the provider, good, bad, or mediocre.
I don’t think it’s my job to defend, promote, or slam anyone here. 

I recognize that deferent people have different experiences. Hell, even I’ve had vastly different 
experiences with the same escort just one month apart. And sometimes great escorts just have
a bad day. It happens. 

 

[Guest davebk]

I think the replies of the providers to a negative comment or post kind of does all the heavy lifting.

I have seen people air their dirty laundry about a provider on here and the provider came back with a general "sorry it wasn't a match, if I can make it up to you, I'd love to try" or even just a "hey that wasn't how I expected the session to go too and I'm really sorry it wasn't a good experience for you" without any further offer to correct.  Both tend to almost negate the negative and most of us can see it might just have been a rough day or mismatch.

I've also personally once posted a comment about a provider who completely flaked on me after I drove to his place for a session and then was borderline abusive when I tried to challenge him on it privately.  He came on the forum and his response was so bitchy and awful, it spoke for itself and I'm sure he lost business based on his reply not on my comment.

I think for those who are not the provider but have input on the experience they had could go the same two ways.  Come in with an attack on the one posting, it won't go well.  Come in with a positive about your experience with the provider, gives a different perspective.

[JSchorr]

On 8/7/2021 at 7:28 PM, big-n-tall said:

As a member, if it’s about a provider I’ve gotten to know and have positive experiences with, I’ll sometimes speak up depending on what is being said.

There have been occasions where a poster (sometimes via private messages) gets in a tizzy, not having met the provider, but because they didn’t get a fast enough response or they got a response they weren’t happy with. Mostly, I say it wasn’t my experience and if they didn’t get an immediate response to be patient. If the response they got wasn’t rude or to their liking, be polite and ask the provider again… instead of putting them on blast for mostly a non-issue.

This scenario hasn’t happened lately, but there was a time some years back it seemed to be rather frequent.

I do the same..I point out MY personal experience if different from the complaining party.  Sometimes I know more background about a provider that could explain his behavior in this certain instance and I will point that out without revealing any details. I would hope others would do that for me if the situation was reversed.

[TorontoDrew]

On 8/8/2021 at 2:52 PM, JoeMendoza said:

I wouldn't necessarily put anyone, myself included, on a pedestal. However, if I have considered a provider a friend or have known them to be professionals in their craft, I would not mind defending such provider. At the very least, I would say that it was not my experience and invite inquiring posters through private message. While I may not be a believer in idolatry, I do respect that what providers and masseurs provide is still a business, and I would certainly not be opposed to defending someone I know if others were to attempt smearing their reputation.

If someone posts that they didn't have a good experience they should post some sort of explanation so that others can gain an understanding of whether this would impact their decision to hire.  It's only fair to the provider.  "DM me for details" isn't enough

If I feel that someone is being unfairly maligned I will speak up.